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Come Inside... => The Commons => Topic started by: Barman on January 31, 2012, 09:11:02 AM
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Ministers have cut the value of more than 3,100 vocational qualifications, ending their recognition in England's school league tables.
Courses such as a diploma in horse care can be worth the same as four GCSEs.
The government says this has created "perverse incentives" for schools to offer them and boost their position.
Clicky (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-16789215)
I'm all for this... IMHO skools shouldn't be teaching horse care, arts, sport, health and social care, media, music to exam level anyway - concentrate on the basics FFS! cussing:
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This is about league tables and not edukashun. School can be pretty bad at teaching vocational stuff. The trouble is that kids who would be better off learning how to be a hairdresser or a stable lad will now have their options restricted and will just fail more GCSEs instead. Let the unintended consequences multiply.
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sad32:
My GCSE in Turnip Husbandry will be worthless.
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This is about league tables and not edukashun. School can be pretty bad at teaching vocational stuff. The trouble is that kids who would be better off learning how to be a hairdresser or a stable lad will now have their options restricted and will just fail more GCSEs instead. Let the unintended consequences multiply.
I can't help but think that a bit more effort on the old reading and writing would benefit hairdressers too...
In the old days they'd go to a 'Technical College' to learn how to cut hair and stuff... why is it now part of the school programme - what has been removed to allow it...?
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- what has been removed to allow it...?
RRR
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- what has been removed to allow it...?
RRR
Reading Riting and Rifmatik! :thumbsup:
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Ministers have cut the value of more than 3,100 vocational qualifications, ending their recognition in England's school league tables.
Courses such as a diploma in horse care can be worth the same as four GCSEs.
The government says this has created "perverse incentives" for schools to offer them and boost their position.
Clicky (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-16789215)
I'm all for this... IMHO skools shouldn't be teaching horse care, arts, sport, health and social care, media, music to exam level anyway - concentrate on the basics FFS! cussing:
I counldn't agree more. I have 10 gcses and 4 A levels all of high grades, and if I lived in the UK am qualified for F-all. noooo:
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Maybe you ought to have done hairdressing or horse care at skool rubschin:
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Ministers have cut the value of more than 3,100 vocational qualifications, ending their recognition in England's school league tables.
Courses such as a diploma in horse care can be worth the same as four GCSEs.
The government says this has created "perverse incentives" for schools to offer them and boost their position.
Clicky (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-16789215)
I'm all for this... IMHO skools shouldn't be teaching horse care, arts, sport, health and social care, media, music to exam level anyway - concentrate on the basics FFS! cussing:
I counldn't agree more. I have 10 gcses and 4 A levels all of high grades, and if I lived in the UK am qualified for F-all. noooo:
7 O-Levels and GCSE Metalwork.... angel1
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Ministers have cut the value of more than 3,100 vocational qualifications, ending their recognition in England's school league tables.
Courses such as a diploma in horse care can be worth the same as four GCSEs.
The government says this has created "perverse incentives" for schools to offer them and boost their position.
Clicky (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-16789215)
I'm all for this... IMHO skools shouldn't be teaching horse care, arts, sport, health and social care, media, music to exam level anyway - concentrate on the basics FFS! cussing:
I counldn't agree more. I have 10 gcses and 4 A levels all of high grades, and if I lived in the UK am qualified for F-all. noooo:
7 O-Levels and GCSE Metalwork.... angel1
GCSE? Aren't you too old or that? rubschin:
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Ministers have cut the value of more than 3,100 vocational qualifications, ending their recognition in England's school league tables.
Courses such as a diploma in horse care can be worth the same as four GCSEs.
The government says this has created "perverse incentives" for schools to offer them and boost their position.
Clicky (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-16789215)
I'm all for this... IMHO skools shouldn't be teaching horse care, arts, sport, health and social care, media, music to exam level anyway - concentrate on the basics FFS! cussing:
I counldn't agree more. I have 10 gcses and 4 A levels all of high grades, and if I lived in the UK am qualified for F-all. noooo:
7 O-Levels and GCSE Metalwork.... angel1
GCSE? Aren't you too old or that? rubschin:
rubschin:............. ;D ;D ;D ;D point:
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I think LL made him go to night skool after the dishwasher incident noooo:
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Maybe you ought to have done hairdressing or horse care at skool rubschin:
Or "Fish Husbandry" rubschin:
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I think she married a flounder
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Or a pikey whistle:
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Is she a fish wife then?
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Or a pikey whistle:
cussing:
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point:
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my fella.....
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Ministers have cut the value of more than 3,100 vocational qualifications, ending their recognition in England's school league tables.
Courses such as a diploma in horse care can be worth the same as four GCSEs.
The government says this has created "perverse incentives" for schools to offer them and boost their position.
Clicky (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-16789215)
I'm all for this... IMHO skools shouldn't be teaching horse care, arts, sport, health and social care, media, music to exam level anyway - concentrate on the basics FFS! cussing:
I counldn't agree more. I have 10 gcses and 4 A levels all of high grades, and if I lived in the UK am qualified for F-all. noooo:
7 O-Levels and GCSE Metalwork.... angel1
GCSE? Aren't you too old or that? rubschin:
CSE.... redface:
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Ackchooly, I am having a debate about this elsewhere. The general consensus is that this is a massive own goal for Gove and that we await an apologetic pile of stuff in due course. I hate NuLiebour but Twigg, Shadow Ed Secretary, needs info and I have been asked to give him some advice. Can't stand the little twat, but the ammunition here is just too easy to come by. The Beeb led on this today and the Daily Fail is triumphant. The whole thing is a pile of political shite. ALison WOlf (look her up) has been suckered noooo:
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Ministers have cut the value of more than 3,100 vocational qualifications, ending their recognition in England's school league tables.
Courses such as a diploma in horse care can be worth the same as four GCSEs.
The government says this has created "perverse incentives" for schools to offer them and boost their position.
Clicky (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-16789215)
I'm all for this... IMHO skools shouldn't be teaching horse care, arts, sport, health and social care, media, music to exam level anyway - concentrate on the basics FFS! cussing:
I counldn't agree more. I have 10 gcses and 4 A levels all of high grades, and if I lived in the UK am qualified for F-all. noooo:
7 O-Levels and GCSE Metalwork.... angel1
GCSE? Aren't you too old or that? rubschin:
CSE.... redface:
Completely Stoopid Equivalent?
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Ministers have cut the value of more than 3,100 vocational qualifications, ending their recognition in England's school league tables.
Courses such as a diploma in horse care can be worth the same as four GCSEs.
The government says this has created "perverse incentives" for schools to offer them and boost their position.
Clicky (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-16789215)
I'm all for this... IMHO skools shouldn't be teaching horse care, arts, sport, health and social care, media, music to exam level anyway - concentrate on the basics FFS! cussing:
I counldn't agree more. I have 10 gcses and 4 A levels all of high grades, and if I lived in the UK am qualified for F-all. noooo:
7 O-Levels and GCSE Metalwork.... angel1
GCSE? Aren't you too old or that? rubschin:
CSE.... redface:
Completely Stoopid Equivalent?
Probably.... cry:
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Anyway...
My sprogs are deep in to their GCSEs at the moment. We attended a parent's evening recently to see how they're doing. Every teacher had a table covered in spreadsheets, tables and lists. Everything was target driven. My son's been getting Bs and all his his teachers were pleased with his "progress". A bit of delving and it seems that at some point he was graded as a "C" student. So getting Bs was seen as a sucess. The thing is that he's capable of better, he coasts along happy getting Bs without having to try. The message he gets is positive and the teachers get kudos for getting him a grade "better" than expected.
One telling point, The GCSE teachers were busy, parents queuing up to talk to them, the vocational teachers were sitting there twiddling their thumbs. Their pupils and parents hadn't bothered to turn up.
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That sounds familiar.
I have just had the Boy's half year skool report cloud9:
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Anyway...
My sprogs are deep in to their GCSEs at the moment. We attended a parent's evening recently to see how they're doing. Every teacher had a table covered in spreadsheets, tables and lists. Everything was target driven. My son's been getting Bs and all his his teachers were pleased with his "progress". A bit of delving and it seems that at some point he was graded as a "C" student. So getting Bs was seen as a sucess. The thing is that he's capable of better, he coasts along happy getting Bs without having to try. The message he gets is positive and the teachers get kudos for getting him a grade "better" than expected.
One telling point, The GCSE teachers were busy, parents queuing up to talk to them, the vocational teachers were sitting there twiddling their thumbs. Their pupils and parents hadn't bothered to turn up.
I expect Bm got a lot of Bs comments too......... whistle:
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That sounds familiar.
I have just had the Boy's half year skool report cloud9:
Good?
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Improved, shall we say ::)
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I see. noooo:
The problem with "targets" is that it's often easier to manipulate the figures than to actually meet those targets.
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Nah. Narrative stuff. Brill at Maths, Music, English, Drama, Spanish, PE and then the rest "when he is interested" noooo:
Hey, he is only 13, and they have started GCSEs scared2:
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Anyway...
My sprogs are deep in to their GCSEs at the moment. We attended a parent's evening recently to see how they're doing. Every teacher had a table covered in spreadsheets, tables and lists. Everything was target driven. My son's been getting Bs and all his his teachers were pleased with his "progress". A bit of delving and it seems that at some point he was graded as a "C" student. So getting Bs was seen as a sucess. The thing is that he's capable of better, he coasts along happy getting Bs without having to try. The message he gets is positive and the teachers get kudos for getting him a grade "better" than expected.
One telling point, The GCSE teachers were busy, parents queuing up to talk to them, the vocational teachers were sitting there twiddling their thumbs. Their pupils and parents hadn't bothered to turn up.
I expect Bm got a lot of Bs comments too......... whistle:
I dreamed of getting Bs.... redface:
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Es then??
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Es then??
Oh noes - we didn't do drugs.... noooo:
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Anyway...
My sprogs are deep in to their GCSEs at the moment. We attended a parent's evening recently to see how they're doing. Every teacher had a table covered in spreadsheets, tables and lists. Everything was target driven. My son's been getting Bs and all his his teachers were pleased with his "progress". A bit of delving and it seems that at some point he was graded as a "C" student. So getting Bs was seen as a sucess. The thing is that he's capable of better, he coasts along happy getting Bs without having to try. The message he gets is positive and the teachers get kudos for getting him a grade "better" than expected.
One telling point, The GCSE teachers were busy, parents queuing up to talk to them, the vocational teachers were sitting there twiddling their thumbs. Their pupils and parents hadn't bothered to turn up.
I expect Bm got a lot of Bs comments too......... whistle:
I dreamed of getting Bs.... redface:
You talk a lot of BS now.......... whistle:
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The blame for it all can be lain firmly at the door of Mary Warnock who now admits she got it all wrong.
I said she had at the time and time has proven me to have been right.
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An excellent post on the same subject... (http://fuelinjectedmoose.blogspot.com/2012/01/scrapping-crappy-courses.html) :thumbsup:
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I am not buying any of this shite. Regrettably I would have to write the longest post ever to explain why.
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Go on then, Nick - I'd be interested to read it.
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Go on then, Nick - I'd be interested to read it.
Me too! sleep021
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