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Come Inside... => Saloon Bar => Topic started by: Uncle Mort on January 12, 2021, 11:09:52 AM
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I don't anymore.
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I don't anymore.
Very wise... I haven't watched the news on the tellybox for years... Thumbs:
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It's all so depressing and predictable. I still find Channel 4 News OK, but the BBC bulletins seem more and more superficial
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It's all so depressing and predictable. I still find Channel 4 News OK, but the BBC bulletins seem more and more superficial
I still watch the Beeb and Sky News but yes it has become somewhat superficial and at the same time only able to cover a very few stories. I get more news from a 3 minute scan through the BBC text pages than the actual news programme the telebox might be showing at same time
But was it ever any different? I suspect not, we're just comparing it to the hundreds of news stories we can access via the web.
What I do know is if you think Beeb News is bad, try watching the News in other countries. Advert ridden, lowest common denominator seeking rubbish. And as for web site news, so much is barely disguised politicaling on behalf of the owners.
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I find the BBC absolutely infuriating at the moment and refuse the watch their prescribed format
Headline - doom mongering, the end of the world is nigh relishing delight
Cut to - yet another hospital where they are reporting from ( this varies from all the other hospitals they have been to how ??? )
Spare some time to include the Laura Kueunssberg lovefest ::)
Any other news going on in the world - nope ( apart from Trumpety trump trump trump)
Last item - some token do gooder and their message of hope/ charity / kindness ( ah feck right off will ya !! )
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I find the BBC absolutely infuriating at the moment and refuse the watch their prescribed format
Headline - doom mongering, the end of the world is nigh relishing delight
Cut to - yet another hospital where they are reporting from ( this varies from all the other hospitals they have been to how ??? )
Spare some time to include the Laura Kueunssberg lovefest ::)
Any other news going on in the world - nope ( apart from Trumpety trump trump trump)
Last item - some token do gooder and their message of hope/ charity / kindness ( ah feck right off will ya !! )
lol: lol: lol:
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I find the BBC absolutely infuriating at the moment and refuse the watch their prescribed format
Headline - doom mongering, the end of the world is nigh relishing delight
Cut to - yet another hospital where they are reporting from ( this varies from all the other hospitals they have been to how ??? )
Spare some time to include the Laura Kueunssberg lovefest ::)
Any other news going on in the world - nope ( apart from Trumpety trump trump trump)
Last item - some token do gooder and their message of hope/ charity / kindness ( ah feck right off will ya !! )
Couldn't put it better myself :thumbsup:
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I find the BBC absolutely infuriating at the moment and refuse the watch their prescribed format
Headline - doom mongering, the end of the world is nigh relishing delight
Cut to - yet another hospital where they are reporting from ( this varies from all the other hospitals they have been to how ??? )
Spare some time to include the Laura Kueunssberg lovefest ::)
Any other news going on in the world - nope ( apart from Trumpety trump trump trump)
Last item - some token do gooder and their message of hope/ charity / kindness ( ah feck right off will ya !! )
lol: lol: lol:
lol: lol: lol: lol: Very concise. :thumbsup:
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I find the BBC absolutely infuriating at the moment and refuse the watch their prescribed format
Headline - doom mongering, the end of the world is nigh relishing delight
Cut to - yet another hospital where they are reporting from ( this varies from all the other hospitals they have been to how ??? )
Spare some time to include the Laura Kueunssberg lovefest ::)
Any other news going on in the world - nope ( apart from Trumpety trump trump trump)
Last item - some token do gooder and their message of hope/ charity / kindness ( ah feck right off will ya !! )
lol: lol: lol:
lol: lol: lol: lol: Very concise. :thumbsup:
Get Miss D a job as a BBC newsreader you say... rubschin:
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I find the BBC absolutely infuriating at the moment and refuse the watch their prescribed format
Headline - doom mongering, the end of the world is nigh relishing delight
Cut to - yet another hospital where they are reporting from ( this varies from all the other hospitals they have been to how ??? )
Spare some time to include the Laura Kueunssberg lovefest ::)
Any other news going on in the world - nope ( apart from Trumpety trump trump trump)
Last item - some token do gooder and their message of hope/ charity / kindness ( ah feck right off will ya !! )
lol: lol: lol:
lol: lol: lol: lol: Very concise. :thumbsup:
Get Miss D a job as a BBC newsreader you say... rubschin:
lol: lol: lol: Thumbs:
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So what would the news hosted by Miss D have as its main stories
Creme Egg futures news (obvs)
The world Vodka shortage
New proposed legislation to allow incompetent minions and bosses to be shot on sight
The Daily Nod update (phoned in by ravingroving reporter Nick)
News from the former colonies (Smugland)
Manchester United top of the league (special report by 'The Man')
Item about how work is so unfair on yoof (special report from the Brat)
Some guff about the difficulties with organising Weddings
Anything I've missed?
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So what would the news hosted by Miss D have as its main stories
Creme Egg futures news (obvs)
The world Vodka shortage
New proposed legislation to allow incompetent minions and bosses to be shot on sight
The Daily Nod update (phoned in by ravingroving reporter Nick)
News from the former colonies (Smugland)
Manchester United top of the league (special report by 'The Man')
Item about how work is so unfair on yoof (special report from the Brat)
Some guff about the difficulties with organising Weddings
Anything I've missed?
lol: lol: lol:
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So what would the news hosted by Miss D have as its main stories
Creme Egg futures news (obvs)
The world Vodka shortage
New proposed legislation to allow incompetent minions and bosses to be shot on sight
The Daily Nod update (phoned in by ravingroving reporter Nick)
News from the former colonies (Smugland)
Manchester United top of the league (special report by 'The Man')
Item about how work is so unfair on yoof (special report from the Brat)
Some guff about the difficulties with organising Weddings
Anything I've missed?
Thumbs: lol: Thumbs:
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TMR Transport Correspondent live (temporarily) from Wandsworth common
Washington reports from Meister
Brexit correspondent: BM (live from the EU)
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TMR Transport Correspondent live (temporarily) from Wandsworth common
Washington reports from Meister
Brexit correspondent: BM (live from the EU)
;D
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TMR Transport Correspondent live (temporarily) from Wandsworth common
Washington reports from Meister
Brexit correspondent till 6 pm : BM (live from the EU)
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New Technology Update - BM
Is procrastination a national crisis - report from Moi expected tomorrow, maybe
Bondi Beach BBQ Party horror - Cool Hand Luke
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Track and Trace - where is my online delivery ?
National Lottery - when can you get a dentist appointment ever again?
Fashion - the latest pyjama collection
Social meeja - ban all 'influencers' and encourage sheeples to have the courage to have a thought of their own
Modern day slavery - why are kids are now allergic to werk
Finance update - when does Martin Lewis become the even more annoying guvner of the Bank of England
Entertainment - when did Danny Dyer have a stroke and why has he continued to 'act ' when he can hardly speak anymore ?
Food and drink - why are some shows on the tellybox not cookery programmes - there are far too few of them ::)
Music - who cares anymore noooo:
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Is the Man still in that there EastEnders? rubschin:
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I believe so lol:
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Oh come on noooo:
Covid: 'More deadly' UK variant (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55779171)
Scaremongering, even the Beeb has trouble swallowing it.
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Oh come on noooo:
Covid: 'More deadly' UK variant (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55779171)
Scaremongering, even the Beeb has trouble swallowing it.
The term, "clutching at straws" spring to mind Uncle... noooo:
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And then another one will come along...
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Oh come on noooo:
Covid: 'More deadly' UK variant (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55779171)
Scaremongering, even the Beeb has trouble swallowing it.
Did you read the SAGE report your link links to?
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Oh come on noooo:
Covid: 'More deadly' UK variant (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55779171)
Scaremongering, even the Beeb has trouble swallowing it.
Did you read the SAGE report your link links to?
Yep,
There is a realistic possibility that VOC B.1.1.7 is associated with an increased
risk of death compared to non-VOC viruses
It should be noted that the absolute risk of death per infection remains low.
Not enough for the PM to jump in with his 'may and 'could' dire warnings.
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Oh come on noooo:
Covid: 'More deadly' UK variant (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55779171)
Scaremongering, even the Beeb has trouble swallowing it.
Did you read the SAGE report your link links to?
Yep,
There is a realistic possibility that VOC B.1.1.7 is associated with an increased
risk of death compared to non-VOC viruses
It should be noted that the absolute risk of death per infection remains low.
Not enough for the PM to jump in with his 'may and 'could' dire warnings.
"40% increase in mortality rate"
Slightly misleading but 1.4% is indeed 40% more than 1.0%. ::)
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Oh come on noooo:
Covid: 'More deadly' UK variant (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55779171)
Scaremongering, even the Beeb has trouble swallowing it.
Did you read the SAGE report your link links to?
Yep,
There is a realistic possibility that VOC B.1.1.7 is associated with an increased
risk of death compared to non-VOC viruses
It should be noted that the absolute risk of death per infection remains low.
Not enough for the PM to jump in with his 'may and 'could' dire warnings.
Well I may be his biggest critic but could we really expect him to dishonestly say nothing and get slaughtered later when he'd had sight of this:
4. There have been several independent analyses of SGTF and non-SGTF cases
identified through Pillar 2 testing linked to the PHE COVID-19 deaths line list:
a. LSHTM: reported that the relative hazard of death within 28 days of test for
VOC-infected individuals compared to non-VOC was 1.35 (95%CI 1.08-1.68).
b. Imperial College London: mean ratio of CFR for VOC-infected individuals
compared to non-VOC was 1.36 (95%CI 1.18-1.56) by a case-control
weighting method, 1.29 (95%CI 1.07-1.54) by a standardised CFR method.
c. University of Exeter: mortality hazard ratio for VOC-infected individuals
compared to non-VOC was 1.91 (1.35 - 2.71).
d. These analyses were all adjusted in various ways for age, location, time and
other variables.
5. An updated PHE matched cohort analysis has reported a death risk ratio for VOCinfected individuals compared to non-VOC of 1.65 (95%CI 1.21-2.25)
VOC = Variant of Concern
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Of those several independent analysises only 3 were quoted. Did you know that one of them actually said there was less risk.
Also 'realistic possibility' indicates less than 50% chance of it being right.
Boris is just protecting his arse. It's time he started protecting the economy.
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Oh come on noooo:
Covid: 'More deadly' UK variant (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55779171)
Scaremongering, even the Beeb has trouble swallowing it.
Did you read the SAGE report your link links to?
Yep,
There is a realistic possibility that VOC B.1.1.7 is associated with an increased
risk of death compared to non-VOC viruses
It should be noted that the absolute risk of death per infection remains low.
Not enough for the PM to jump in with his 'may and 'could' dire warnings.
"40% increase in mortality rate"
Slightly misleading but 1.4% is indeed 40% more than 1.0%. ::)
Precisely Mr. Darwin Sir...
Project fear rolls on... Still, it keeps the Prolls in their place eh...? ;)
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Of those several independent analysises only 3 were quoted. Did you know that one of them actually said there was less risk.
Also 'realistic possibility' indicates less than 50% chance of it being right.
Boris is just protecting his arse. It's time he started protecting the economy.
Precisely... Or there will be no economy to protect... evil:
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Well I may be his biggest critic but could we really expect him to dishonestly say nothing and get slaughtered later when he'd had sight of this:
4. There have been several independent analyses of SGTF and non-SGTF cases
identified through Pillar 2 testing linked to the PHE COVID-19 deaths line list:
a. LSHTM: reported that the relative hazard of death within 28 days of test for
VOC-infected individuals compared to non-VOC was 1.35 (95%CI 1.08-1.68).
b. Imperial College London: mean ratio of CFR for VOC-infected individuals
compared to non-VOC was 1.36 (95%CI 1.18-1.56) by a case-control
weighting method, 1.29 (95%CI 1.07-1.54) by a standardised CFR method.
c. University of Exeter: mortality hazard ratio for VOC-infected individuals
compared to non-VOC was 1.91 (1.35 - 2.71).
d. These analyses were all adjusted in various ways for age, location, time and
other variables.
5. An updated PHE matched cohort analysis has reported a death risk ratio for VOCinfected individuals compared to non-VOC of 1.65 (95%CI 1.21-2.25)
VOC = Variant of Concern
I'm amazed that after a year of this shit anybody could continue to believe it and support it... ::)
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Well I believe those 90,000+ deaths, ~38,000 patients jamming up the NHS, 3,900 of them on ventilators and since all those indicators were exponentially increasing at ~ 25% per week before lockdown 3.0 and we've now got them peaking I suggest it's fair to say the economy would have been well fucked if we'd just carried on as if it was just like flu.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
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Well I believe those 90,000+ deaths, ~38,000 patients jamming up the NHS, 3,900 of them on ventilators and since all those indicators were exponentially increasing at ~ 25% per week before lockdown 3.0 and we've now got them peaking I suggest it's fair to say the economy would have been well fucked if we'd just carried on as if it was just like flu.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Of course, you are welcome to believe the shite... Thumbs:
The rest of us, not so much... ;)
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Which figures don't you believe?
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75% of Covid deaths were over 75 years old, not exactly economically active. Callous but true. The country could have carried on fairly normally without a lockdown. Maybe more money could have been pumped into the NHS, certainly nowhere near as much as the lockdowns cost.
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75% of Covid deaths were over 75 years old, not exactly economically active. Callous but true. The country could have carried on fairly normally without a lockdown. Maybe more money could have been pumped into the NHS, certainly nowhere near as much as the lockdowns cost.
While yes it does sound callous it's what we all do at least anecdotally and to be brutal the NHS has to do when it uses so called Quality Adjusted Life Years to make difficult decisions. A 75 year olds life right isn't valued as much as a 20 year olds.
Throwing money at the NHS might have some benefit but you can't train up intensive care staff that quickly and a shortage of such is a big issue. Even then with the best attention and drugs a lot of patients are going to take up beds for weeks and some people will die.
It'd be great if we could just isolate 75 year olds and there'd be no more problem. But we have so many multi generational households and as it happens, an awful lot of under 60s getting badly ill.
I'd still like to know what figures are being disputed and understand why. On the figures we do have and they seem to check out, the Jan 3rd position was seriously alarming. We could easily been seeing 5,000+ 2,000+ deaths a day and the NHS collapsing by now and even worse week by week. If that happened we would have societal panic, people plain refusing to go to work and a far bigger economic impact.
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75% of Covid deaths were over 75 years old, not exactly economically active. Callous but true. The country could have carried on fairly normally without a lockdown. Maybe more money could have been pumped into the NHS, certainly nowhere near as much as the lockdowns cost.
While yes it does sound callous it's what we all do at least anecdotally and to be brutal the NHS has to do when it uses so called Quality Adjusted Life Years to make difficult decisions. A 75 year olds life right isn't valued as much as a 20 year olds.
Throwing money at the NHS might have some benefit but you can't train up intensive care staff that quickly and a shortage of such is a big issue. Even then with the best attention and drugs a lot of patients are going to take up beds for weeks and some people will die.
It'd be great if we could just isolate 75 year olds and there'd be no more problem. But we have so many multi generational households and as it happens, an awful lot of under 60s getting badly ill.
I'd still like to know what figures are being disputed and understand why. On the figures we do have and they seem to check out, the Jan 3rd position was seriously alarming. We could easily been seeing 5,000+ deaths a day and the NHS collapsing by now and even worse week by week. If that happened we would have societal panic, people plain refusing to go to work and a far bigger economic impact.
As a matter of interest, do you still claim the IFR is 6%...?
...or do you now accept it is <1%...?
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We could easily been seeing 5,000+ deaths a day and the NHS collapsing by now and even worse week by week. If that happened we would have societal panic, people plain refusing to go to work and a far bigger economic impact.
We could, but that's supposition.
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75% of Covid deaths were over 75 years old, not exactly economically active. Callous but true. The country could have carried on fairly normally without a lockdown. Maybe more money could have been pumped into the NHS, certainly nowhere near as much as the lockdowns cost.
While yes it does sound callous it's what we all do at least anecdotally and to be brutal the NHS has to do when it uses so called Quality Adjusted Life Years to make difficult decisions. A 75 year olds life right isn't valued as much as a 20 year olds.
Throwing money at the NHS might have some benefit but you can't train up intensive care staff that quickly and a shortage of such is a big issue. Even then with the best attention and drugs a lot of patients are going to take up beds for weeks and some people will die.
It'd be great if we could just isolate 75 year olds and there'd be no more problem. But we have so many multi generational households and as it happens, an awful lot of under 60s getting badly ill.
I'd still like to know what figures are being disputed and understand why. On the figures we do have and they seem to check out, the Jan 3rd position was seriously alarming. We could easily been seeing 5,000+ deaths a day and the NHS collapsing by now and even worse week by week. If that happened we would have societal panic, people plain refusing to go to work and a far bigger economic impact.
As a matter of interest, do you still claim the IFR is 6%...?
...or do you now accept it is <1%...?
I have never claimed it is 6%, I likely pointed out that at that time of known cases with a known outcome 6% were fatal, it is now 3% Worldwide and in the UK it is actually higher which bring into doubt that 1% figure for which there is very little evidence.
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We could, but that's supposition.
But a better founded one that just saying 'the figures are wrong' or 'we don't need lockdown'
It really would help if we could start with an understanding of just which of the figured on the gov site are disputed https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
(just please don't quote that quack Brookes)
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The figures aren't disputed, just the methods used to fight Covid. You're throwing up strawmen.
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The figures aren't disputed, just the methods used to fight Covid. You're throwing up strawmen.
The methods are debateable at the least on on a gain v pain basis but reply 32 calls the published figures 'shite' and I'm trying to understand why.
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I have never claimed it is 6%, I likely pointed out that at that time of known cases with a known outcome 6% were fatal, it is now 3% Worldwide and in the UK it is actually higher which bring into doubt that 1% figure for which there is very little evidence.
Errrrr, yes you did... (https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/index.php?topic=14447.msg694302#msg694302) ::)
And at the time you chose figures that we well out of date... Using the current Worldmeter figures it is ~2%.
And there is plenty of evidence from the WHO and others that the IFR is <1%
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Without getting drawn into the general scrum here, my understanding gleaned from talking with the medical professionals in the family, is that the morbidity rate from Covid is not much higher than the usual, seasonal rate from 'flu and pneumonia.
The problem is that significantly larger numbers require hospitalisation in order to recover, and the resources are unable to cope if the infection rate gets too high.
In 1968, the 'Hong Kong' flu was comparable in its rate of tranmission to Covid, but the pulmonary effects were not quite so severe, meaning most who caught it recovered at home.
Most of the peak load was on local GPs and not hospitals.
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I have never claimed it is 6%, I likely pointed out that at that time of known cases with a known outcome 6% were fatal, it is now 3% Worldwide and in the UK it is actually higher which bring into doubt that 1% figure for which there is very little evidence.
Errrrr, yes you did... (https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/index.php?topic=14447.msg694302#msg694302) ::)
And at the time you chose figures that we well out of date... Using the current Worldmeter figures it is ~2%.
And there is plenty of evidence from the WHO and others that the IFR is <1%
No I did not say the IFR was 6%. And the current World meter figure for known outcomes is 3% The key unknown as ever is what proportion of cases are actually being detected.
Now are we going to be allowed to discuss this topic or will it or I be closed down?
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The figures aren't disputed, just the methods used to fight Covid. You're throwing up strawmen.
The methods are debateable at the least on on a gain v pain basis but reply 32 calls the published figures 'shite' and I'm trying to understand why.
Because while the figures may be accurate, they are taken out of context and used as 'Fear Porn' to scare the public into believing there are no options other than to destroy the economy and people's lives.
We hear how many are admitted to hospital but never how many are discharged.
They never mention how many actually catch it in hospital. An 'Covid admission' could be somebody that went in with a broken leg but caught Covid there.
They conflate 'dying with' with 'dying of' Covid.*
They fail to mention the level of bed/ICU occupancy in a normal year...
...and so on... ::)
And then we have the use of 'could' as Uncle pointed out...
* My friend Colin died last week. Rushed into hospital with Renal failure and was given blood transfusions but it was too late.
However, he caught Covid in hospital and was recorded as a Covid death.
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Well first of all sorry to hear about your mate
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I have never claimed it is 6%, I likely pointed out that at that time of known cases with a known outcome 6% were fatal, it is now 3% Worldwide and in the UK it is actually higher which bring into doubt that 1% figure for which there is very little evidence.
Errrrr, yes you did... (https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/index.php?topic=14447.msg694302#msg694302) ::)
And at the time you chose figures that we well out of date... Using the current Worldmeter figures it is ~2%.
And there is plenty of evidence from the WHO and others that the IFR is <1%
No I did not say the IFR was 6%. And the current World meter figure for known outcomes is 3% The key unknown as ever is what proportion of cases are actually being detected.
Now are we going to be allowed to discuss this topic or will it or I be closed down?
670,454 deaths out of 11,387,178 Cases which had an outcome. Sure looks like 6%
::)
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. . .They fail to mention the level of bed/ICU occupancy in a normal year...
They don't headline them but they are available https://data.spectator.co.uk/city/nhs
Indicates we have roughly twice as many people in ICU as we had capacity in a 'normal' year
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They conflate 'dying with' with 'dying of' Covid.* . .
The high correlation with the independently collated excess deaths numbers strongly suggests the measure is as accurate as reasonably possible and if anything under reporting the true issue https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending8january2021
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Without getting drawn into the general scrum here, my understanding gleaned from talking with the medical professionals in the family, is that the morbidity rate from Covid is not much higher than the usual, seasonal rate from 'flu and pneumonia.
The problem is that significantly larger numbers require hospitalisation in order to recover, and the resources are unable to cope if the infection rate gets too high.
In 1968, the 'Hong Kong' flu was comparable in its rate of tranmission to Covid, but the pulmonary effects were not quite so severe, meaning most who caught it recovered at home.
Most of the peak load was on local GPs and not hospitals.
Well said. It's notable that the current Gov slogan is stay at home, protect the NHS, save lives. Putting the health service before lives.
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Actually the current Gov slogan is more like stay at home, protect the NHS, save my job.
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Actually the current Gov slogan is more like stay at home, protect the NHS, save my job.
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Wrong thread, I know, but the snow is really chucking it down now, so I decided to walk the 400 yards or so to get "supplies" before the pavements were too deep in it.
In those 800 yards, I heard something I haven't heard for months. Laughter. Children laughing as they threw snow balls at each other and started building snow men. Or snow persons for the easily offended. Families laughing together as they slipped and slid along the roads. Everyone absolutely loving it and seeing that there is a real world out there and it can be beautiful. Not scared by the incessant fear and warnings and misery peddled by the MSM. Proper smiles, not the nervous half-smiles of the scared for very little reason into somehow thinking being outside was as dangerous as stickig a fork into a wall socket.
Quality of life - being enjoyed in the here and now and not tainted by the bogeyman and his relentless drive for further restrictions, further gloom, further despair.
I think for a lot of people, quality of life counts for more than longevity.
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Well said :thumbsup:
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Actually the current Gov slogan is more like stay at home, protect the NHS, save my job.
lol: and many a true word spoken in jest
Well they started with Ignore it - Carrie must have her Baby Shower - Its only like Flu
Comparisons with flu are very problematic. With the pre-existing immunity, most people exposed to flu never show symptoms let alone go to hospital. Covid with its negligible levels of population immunity, killed over 5 times as many in England last year as the typical annual flu death rate.
We're approaching 20% of the population either had it or on a very focussed basis been vaccinated so IMHO that very much calls into question continuing lockdown as is after next week
But that doesn't invalidate calling lockdown on Jan 3rd.
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Shameful... noooo:
They were forced to withdraw the one about the jogger, these should go too...
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Wrong thread, I know, but the snow is really chucking it down now, so I decided to walk the 400 yards or so to get "supplies" before the pavements were too deep in it.
In those 800 yards, I heard something I haven't heard for months. Laughter. Children laughing as they threw snow balls at each other and started building snow men. Or snow persons for the easily offended. Families laughing together as they slipped and slid along the roads. Everyone absolutely loving it and seeing that there is a real world out there and it can be beautiful. Not scared by the incessant fear and warnings and misery peddled by the MSM. Proper smiles, not the nervous half-smiles of the scared for very little reason into somehow thinking being outside was as dangerous as stickig a fork into a wall socket.
Quality of life - being enjoyed in the here and now and not tainted by the bogeyman and his relentless drive for further restrictions, further gloom, further despair.
I think for a lot of people, quality of life counts for more than longevity.
Lovely... cloud9:
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Wrong thread, I know, but the snow is really chucking it down now, so I decided to walk the 400 yards or so to get "supplies" before the pavements were too deep in it.
In those 800 yards, I heard something I haven't heard for months. Laughter. Children laughing as they threw snow balls at each other and started building snow men. Or snow persons for the easily offended. Families laughing together as they slipped and slid along the roads. Everyone absolutely loving it and seeing that there is a real world out there and it can be beautiful. Not scared by the incessant fear and warnings and misery peddled by the MSM. Proper smiles, not the nervous half-smiles of the scared for very little reason into somehow thinking being outside was as dangerous as stickig a fork into a wall socket.
Quality of life - being enjoyed in the here and now and not tainted by the bogeyman and his relentless drive for further restrictions, further gloom, further despair.
I think for a lot of people, quality of life counts for more than longevity.
Snow too deep for you .... ;D whistle: redface:
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Wrong thread, I know, but the snow is really chucking it down now, so I decided to walk the 400 yards or so to get "supplies" before the pavements were too deep in it.
In those 800 yards, I heard something I haven't heard for months. Laughter. Children laughing as they threw snow balls at each other and started building snow men. Or snow persons for the easily offended. Families laughing together as they slipped and slid along the roads. Everyone absolutely loving it and seeing that there is a real world out there and it can be beautiful. Not scared by the incessant fear and warnings and misery peddled by the MSM. Proper smiles, not the nervous half-smiles of the scared for very little reason into somehow thinking being outside was as dangerous as stickig a fork into a wall socket.
Quality of life - being enjoyed in the here and now and not tainted by the bogeyman and his relentless drive for further restrictions, further gloom, further despair.
I think for a lot of people, quality of life counts for more than longevity.
Snow too deep for you .... ;D whistle: redface:
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Wrong thread, I know, but the snow is really chucking it down now, so I decided to walk the 400 yards or so to get "supplies" before the pavements were too deep in it.
In those 800 yards, I heard something I haven't heard for months. Laughter. Children laughing as they threw snow balls at each other and started building snow men. Or snow persons for the easily offended. Families laughing together as they slipped and slid along the roads. Everyone absolutely loving it and seeing that there is a real world out there and it can be beautiful. Not scared by the incessant fear and warnings and misery peddled by the MSM. Proper smiles, not the nervous half-smiles of the scared for very little reason into somehow thinking being outside was as dangerous as stickig a fork into a wall socket.
Quality of life - being enjoyed in the here and now and not tainted by the bogeyman and his relentless drive for further restrictions, further gloom, further despair.
I think for a lot of people, quality of life counts for more than longevity.
Snow too deep for you .... ;D whistle: redface:
redface: