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Title: This makes grim reading...
Post by: Barman on June 16, 2021, 11:21:38 AM
Not sure how much of this is true (http://markwadsworth.blogspot.com/2021/06/sent-to-me-by-mate-in-australia.html), presented as I found it...
Title: Re: This makes grim reading...
Post by: apc2010 on June 16, 2021, 11:54:33 AM
Not sure how much of this is true (http://markwadsworth.blogspot.com/2021/06/sent-to-me-by-mate-in-australia.html), presented as I found it...

 noooo:
Title: Re: This makes grim reading...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on June 16, 2021, 12:34:08 PM
Not sure how much of this is true (http://markwadsworth.blogspot.com/2021/06/sent-to-me-by-mate-in-australia.html), presented as I found it...

The replacement battery price looks suspect - I believe it is about £4,000 here ; still not an inconsiderable sum.
Title: Re: This makes grim reading...
Post by: Barman on June 16, 2021, 12:54:38 PM
Not sure how much of this is true (http://markwadsworth.blogspot.com/2021/06/sent-to-me-by-mate-in-australia.html), presented as I found it...

The replacement battery price looks suspect - I believe it is about £4,000 here ; still not an inconsiderable sum.

It does seem a lot but then...

Replacing the Nissan Leaf Battery Is Insanely Expensive (https://www.motorbiscuit.com/replacing-the-nissan-leaf-battery-is-insanely-expensive/)
Title: Re: This makes grim reading...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on June 16, 2021, 01:02:45 PM
Not sure how much of this is true (http://markwadsworth.blogspot.com/2021/06/sent-to-me-by-mate-in-australia.html), presented as I found it...

The replacement battery price looks suspect - I believe it is about £4,000 here ; still not an inconsiderable sum.

It does seem a lot but then...

Replacing the Nissan Leaf Battery Is Insanely Expensive (https://www.motorbiscuit.com/replacing-the-nissan-leaf-battery-is-insanely-expensive/)

Personally, I don't believe electric is the way forward - hydrogen fuel cells seem better, but there are also a lot of problems with these.
Title: Re: This makes grim reading...
Post by: Barman on June 16, 2021, 01:05:48 PM
Not sure how much of this is true (http://markwadsworth.blogspot.com/2021/06/sent-to-me-by-mate-in-australia.html), presented as I found it...

The replacement battery price looks suspect - I believe it is about £4,000 here ; still not an inconsiderable sum.

It does seem a lot but then...

Replacing the Nissan Leaf Battery Is Insanely Expensive (https://www.motorbiscuit.com/replacing-the-nissan-leaf-battery-is-insanely-expensive/)

Personally, I don't believe electric is the way forward - hydrogen fuel cells seem better, but there are also a lot of problems with these.

Nah, Hydrogen is shite...

You can fill up faster but you have to actually manufacture Hydrogen using... errr, loads of energy... Then it is a bastard to transport, you need a uge tank in the car, etc.

I reckon Hybrids will win out in the end...
Title: Re: This makes grim reading...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on June 16, 2021, 01:17:42 PM
Not sure how much of this is true (http://markwadsworth.blogspot.com/2021/06/sent-to-me-by-mate-in-australia.html), presented as I found it...

The replacement battery price looks suspect - I believe it is about £4,000 here ; still not an inconsiderable sum.

It does seem a lot but then...

Replacing the Nissan Leaf Battery Is Insanely Expensive (https://www.motorbiscuit.com/replacing-the-nissan-leaf-battery-is-insanely-expensive/)

Personally, I don't believe electric is the way forward - hydrogen fuel cells seem better, but there are also a lot of problems with these.

Nah, Hydrogen is shite...

You can fill up faster but you have to actually manufacture Hydrogen using... errr, loads of energy... Then it is a bastard to transport, you need a uge tank in the car, etc.

I reckon Hybrids will win out in the end...

For now let's just turn petrol into noise and tyre smoke. It's just better  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: This makes grim reading...
Post by: apc2010 on June 16, 2021, 01:19:31 PM
Why not just make more economical petrol/diesel vehicles ... rubschin: 
Title: Re: This makes grim reading...
Post by: Barman on June 16, 2021, 01:27:09 PM
Not sure how much of this is true (http://markwadsworth.blogspot.com/2021/06/sent-to-me-by-mate-in-australia.html), presented as I found it...

The replacement battery price looks suspect - I believe it is about £4,000 here ; still not an inconsiderable sum.

It does seem a lot but then...

Replacing the Nissan Leaf Battery Is Insanely Expensive (https://www.motorbiscuit.com/replacing-the-nissan-leaf-battery-is-insanely-expensive/)

Personally, I don't believe electric is the way forward - hydrogen fuel cells seem better, but there are also a lot of problems with these.

Nah, Hydrogen is shite...

You can fill up faster but you have to actually manufacture Hydrogen using... errr, loads of energy... Then it is a bastard to transport, you need a uge tank in the car, etc.

I reckon Hybrids will win out in the end...

For now let's just turn petrol into noise and tyre smoke. It's just better  :thumbsup:

 Thumbs:

And diesel...  cloud9:
Title: Re: This makes grim reading...
Post by: Barman on June 16, 2021, 01:28:06 PM
Why not just make more economical petrol/diesel vehicles ... rubschin:

What, that last forever and go 800km between fill-ups...?  rubschin:
Title: Re: This makes grim reading...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on June 16, 2021, 01:31:21 PM
Why not just make more economical petrol/diesel vehicles ... rubschin:

Relatively easy to do, cars have become bloated and heavy affecting fuel consumption. My 4/5 seater Audi weighs 1.7 tonnes, my old 4/5 seat Dolomite Sprint weighed 1 tonne. All the extra safety gubbins - airbags, ABS, traction control etc. undoubtedly make cars safer than they were, but at a cost to economy. Shave half a tonne off a modern car and you'd see some impressive mpg's.
Title: Re: This makes grim reading...
Post by: Barman on June 16, 2021, 01:32:58 PM
Why not just make more economical petrol/diesel vehicles ... rubschin:

Relatively easy to do, cars have become bloated and heavy affecting fuel consumption. My 4/5 seater Audi weighs 1.7 tonnes, my old 4/5 seat Dolomite Sprint weighed 1 tonne. All the extra safety gubbins - airbags, ABS, traction control etc. undoubtedly make cars safer than they were, but at a cost to economy. Shave half a tonne off a modern car and you'd see some impressive mpg's.

Leave LL at home you say...?  rubschin:
Title: Re: This makes grim reading...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on June 16, 2021, 01:33:52 PM
Why not just make more economical petrol/diesel vehicles ... rubschin:

Relatively easy to do, cars have become bloated and heavy affecting fuel consumption. My 4/5 seater Audi weighs 1.7 tonnes, my old 4/5 seat Dolomite Sprint weighed 1 tonne. All the extra safety gubbins - airbags, ABS, traction control etc. undoubtedly make cars safer than they were, but at a cost to economy. Shave half a tonne off a modern car and you'd see some impressive mpg's.

Leave LL at home you say...?  rubschin:

 Shocked: Shocked: Shocked:
Title: Re: This makes grim reading...
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 16, 2021, 02:22:33 PM
This isn't a new problem though, anyone who owned a mobile phone back in the days of the removable battery knows that rechargeable batteries degrade over time and while there have been improvements and innovations and innovations to the technology over the years that fact has always remained. The cynic in me figures that the electric car manufacturers are taking a leaf out of Apple's book and made sure that changing the dead batteries is something that has to be done by a specialist so they can charge an arm and a leg for it.