The Virtual Pub
Come Inside... => The Commons => Topic started by: Nick on March 13, 2022, 09:46:39 AM
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We have stayed off this topic but it is hard to ignore.
I am old enough to recall the Cuban missile crisis and recent events are nearly as worrying!
Between the fighting, the Russian position, Putin and the tidal wave of refugees I find it hard to see how this can be resolved and all it takes is one accidental incursion into Poland and we have serious trouble!!
So what do the intellects of the VP think?
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Just too hard to work out with any certainty. My best guess would be eventually Russia takes over and we have 20 years or more of cold war until Putin dies of old age.
Nobody should hold their breath waiting for a good ending any time soon.
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Too be completely honest I try not to think about it at all. But:
I see the Russians getting bogged down trying to subdue Ukraine, Sanctions bite and Russia falls apart. Unfortunately Putin won't go quietly. It could get quite nasty scared2:
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It would be impossible to overstate what a complete clusterfuck everything in my opinion... evil:
Years of climate change lunacy has left the West impotent and dependent on Russian energy - whatever you consider the cause of the conflict to be, the West can do little about it because of the risk of being cut off from its energy supplies...
...in the meanwhile we seem completely focussed on diversity and insisting that men with dicks are women... noooo:
It can't end well at all and I have serious fears for the future world my grandchildren will grow up in.
How the fuck did we get here, I find it utterly depressing... Banghead
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ANyway, back on topic I reckon and anti Putin coup in Moscow might be the best outcome in the short term....
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ANyway, back on topic I reckon and anti Putin coup in Moscow might be the best outcome in the short term....
They could put somebody worserer in power! scared2:
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I did say short term....
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I did say short term....
lol: lol: lol:
I've no idea who they might have up their sleeve... Presumably (hopefully) our diplomatic corps have their eye on the ball and know who would be in-line to the throne as it were... rubschin:
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ANyway, back on topic I reckon and anti Putin coup in Moscow might be the best outcome in the short term....
Hard to see how that could actually occur. It would have to be people close to Putin and then you have to look at whether they'd actually be better off as a result.
IF and it's a very flakey 'if' there started to be real levels of mutiny in the armed forces then that could trigger such. But we're not seeing it.
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We have stayed off this topic but it is hard to ignore.
I am old enough to recall the Cuban missile crisis and recent events are nearly as worrying!
Between the fighting, the Russian position, Putin and the tidal wave of refugees I find it hard to see how this can be resolved and all it takes is one accidental incursion into Poland and we have serious trouble!!
So what do the intellects of the VP think?
Intellects ……. rubschin:
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Looks like it's getting closer to an end provided Ukraine agrees on dropping joining NATO ( already done as far as I can see) gives up on getting the Crimea back and parting with the Donbas region. It will probably be enough for now. No mention of reducing sanctions although Russia will expect trade etc. to go back to some sort of normal. Likely to happen but I would prefer that Russia be shunned by the rest of the world at least until Putin goes.
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Looks like it's getting closer to an end provided Ukraine agrees on dropping joining NATO ( already done as far as I can see) gives up on getting the Crimea back and parting with the Donbas region. It will probably be enough for now. No mention of reducing sanctions although Russia will expect trade etc. to go back to some sort of normal. Likely to happen but I would prefer that Russia be shunned by the rest of the world at least until Putin goes.
That ending you predict will just encourage Putin to go for Moldova but it's hard to argue it won't happen
The sanctions should remain until Russian leaves, pays reparations, agrees to fair referendums in the disputed territories and surrenders Putin and generals various to the court in the Hague. But I won't hold my breath waiting for such an outcome.
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I hope to hell that this is just a case of someone in the Swedish intelligence service cocking up and getting things completely wrong but given that Sergei Shoigu (other than a dodgy looking zoom call) and Valeri Gerasimov have apparently dropped out of sight I have a bad feeling about all of this.
https://metro.co.uk/2022/03/30/russian-fighter-jets-flew-into-eu-airspace-while-armed-with-nukes-16376837/
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I hope to hell that this is just a case of someone in the Swedish intelligence service cocking up and getting things completely wrong but given that Sergei Shoigu (other than a dodgy looking zoom call) and Valeri Gerasimov have apparently dropped out of sight I have a bad feeling about all of this.
https://metro.co.uk/2022/03/30/russian-fighter-jets-flew-into-eu-airspace-while-armed-with-nukes-16376837/
The incursion was real, the UK tabloids have added in the nuclear angle. It's what they do
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So a question to those in Smugland
Here in Blighty we can still access Putin's https://www.rt.com/ including its live feed https://www.rt.com/on-air/
Can you? On another forum someone is telling me both are blocked in the EU
And if so is this right? IMHO blocking the live feed is, the web site not
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So a question to those in Smugland
Here in Blighty we can still access Putin's https://www.rt.com/ including its live feed https://www.rt.com/on-air/
Can you? On another forum someone is telling me both are blocked in the EU
And if so is this right? IMHO blocking the live feed is, the web site not
I can see both but on-air had a time out...
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Works on the Rumble player but times out on the RT player...
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Thanks
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(https://i.ibb.co/jwdkSr4/Screenshot-from-2022-04-14-07-39-01.png)
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(https://i.ibb.co/jwdkSr4/Screenshot-from-2022-04-14-07-39-01.png)
lol: lol: lol:
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I fear that Russian incompetence will cause World War III. noooo:
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I fear that Russian incompetence will cause World War III. noooo:
The way that nutter is going you couldn't rule it out
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The "unpredictable consequences" threat could be interpreted as "watch it, or else!", but in the present situation he is capable of a strike on the Polish border and then.... scared2:
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The "unpredictable consequences" threat could be interpreted as "watch it, or else!", but in the present situation he is capable of a strike on the Polish border and then.... scared2:
It's not just the Polish border that is cause for concern as Sergei Shoigu and Valeri Gerasimov have been on the missing list since March apart from a brief appearance in a zoom meeting by Shoigu that looked suspiciously like old footage and a rushed explanation that Gerasimov was in the field. Now it could be that because they are senior government and military figures there is a protocol in place to have them moved to a secure location and nothing to do with the fact that they are the other 2 people needed for nuclear deployment, but given just how unbalanced Putin seems these days and the amount of nuclear threats that have been made recently I'm not ruling anything out.
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If only Trump was still in the White House. He had Putin by the balls, I hear
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(https://i.postimg.cc/njdJhKPh/278480467-10225739921759011-5100836805778104039-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/njdJhKPh)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/njdJhKPh/278480467-10225739921759011-5100836805778104039-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/njdJhKPh)
lol: lol: lol:
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If only Trump was still in the White House. He had Putin by the balls, I hear
Judging by his comments he'd have sent arms to aid the Russians
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(https://i.postimg.cc/njdJhKPh/278480467-10225739921759011-5100836805778104039-n.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/njdJhKPh)
;D ;D Thumbs:
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Somewhat alarmed to hear air raid siren being tested earlier eeek: scared2:
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Somewhat alarmed to hear air raid siren being tested earlier eeek: scared2:
eeek:
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Somewhat alarmed to hear air raid siren being tested earlier eeek: scared2:
scared2: scared2:
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Just as an aside, there was absolutely no indication of any shortages in the supermarket yesterday... In fact they had pallets of flour at the door on special offer... Fuel prices seem to have stabilised too... rubschin:
(https://i.postimg.cc/TK2yPBMX/IMG-20220421-131530.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TK2yPBMX)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Wd9dqSTq/IMG-20220421-131539.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Wd9dqSTq)
(https://i.postimg.cc/VSddqMkG/IMG-20220421-131550.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VSddqMkG)
Of course, I may have tempted fate there... scared2:
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Just as an aside, there was absolutely no indication of any shortages in the supermarket yesterday... In fact they had pallets of flour at the door on special offer... Fuel prices seem to have stabilised too... rubschin:
(https://i.postimg.cc/TK2yPBMX/IMG-20220421-131530.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TK2yPBMX)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Wd9dqSTq/IMG-20220421-131539.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Wd9dqSTq)
(https://i.postimg.cc/VSddqMkG/IMG-20220421-131550.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VSddqMkG)
Of course, I may have tempted fate there... scared2:
Similar here
Prices do tend to reflect what is already in the warehouses and supply chain though.
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I don't know how it's going to end but when it does I hope we never forget the callous brutality of the Russians and never forgive them:
Russian soldiers seen shooting dead unarmed civilians (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61425025)
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I don't know how it's going to end but when it does I hope we never forget the callous brutality of the Russians and never forgive them:
Russian soldiers seen shooting dead unarmed civilians (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61425025)
It shows that whole state has rot running from top to the very bottom with those complete animal foot soldiers.
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Watching an interview with a Russian apologist on the tellybox. He could even teach Boris how to avoid the truth. noooo:
This chapski:
Andrei Kelin (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61618902)
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Watching an interview with a Russian apologist on the tellybox. He could even teach Boris how to avoid the truth. noooo:
This chapski:
Andrei Kelin (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61618902)
Complete git wasn't he