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Come Inside... => Saloon Bar => Topic started by: Uncle Mort on May 23, 2022, 10:42:24 AM
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Monkey Pox ~ have we become a nation of hypochondriacs noooo:
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Monkey Pox ~ have we become a nation of hypochondriacs noooo:
I'm terrified Uncle! scared2:
Not about catching MonkeyPox obvs. About the likely reaction of the gubberment to MonkeyPox - or perhaps more precisely the reaction of the WHO to MonkeyPox now the government seems set to hand control to them... noooo:
How many people dying with MonkeyPox* will it take before we're off all over again...?
* In the West Obvs. The WHO doesn't give a fuck about Africans. ::)
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Oh come on
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Monkey Pox ~ have we become a nation of hypochondriacs noooo:
I'm terrified Uncle! scared2:
Not about catching MonkeyPox obvs. About the likely reaction of the gubberment to MonkeyPox - or perhaps more precisely the reaction of the WHO to MonkeyPox now the government seems set to hand control to them... noooo:
How many people dying with MonkeyPox* will it take before we're off all over again...?
* In the West Obvs. The WHO doesn't give a fuck about Africans. ::)
Only their generation..... noooo:
Boomtown Rats on the other hand ... Thumbs:
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Surely the media has to take the biggest responsibility in this scaremongering nonsense noooo:
Time to turn the news off again noooo: noooo: noooo:
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Monkey Pox ~ have we become a nation of hypochondriacs noooo:
I'm terrified Uncle! scared2:
Not about catching MonkeyPox obvs. About the likely reaction of the gubberment to MonkeyPox - or perhaps more precisely the reaction of the WHO to MonkeyPox now the government seems set to hand control to them... noooo:
How many people dying with MonkeyPox* will it take before we're off all over again...?
* In the West Obvs. The WHO doesn't give a fuck about Africans. ::)
The big difference this time around is that this is a virus with an incubation period of up to 21 days, a basic fatality rate of up to 10% and can be transmitted by airborne droplet as well as rodents (the rat population went through the roof during lockdown). Vaccine production is a fraction of what would be needed due to the supply chain issues and large scale quarantines are not an option this time around because of economics and supply. If we do see a large spike in cases the only think I think that in order to make it seem they are doing something to combat the outbreaks the only thing that the WHO/governments will do will be to order the closure of any businesses people will congregate in that are deemed 'non essential' so pubs, clubs, gyms, hotels, restaurants, theatres, cinemas etc for at least a month to more then cover the incubation period and I doubt that most of the businesses will survive.
Personally between this, the fuel crisis and the rapid rise in inflation and consequently the cost of living I think things are going to get very ugly.
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The big difference this time around is that this is a virus with an incubation period of up to 21 days, a basic fatality rate of up to 10% and can be transmitted by airborne droplet as well as rodents.
And bum sex obvs. ::)
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I limit myself to 15 minutes of news a day. I have got enough doom and gloom here without having more broadcast to me noooo:
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The big difference this time around is that this is a virus with an incubation period of up to 21 days, a basic fatality rate of up to 10% and can be transmitted by airborne droplet as well as rodents.
And bum sex obvs. ::)
I will defer to your greater knowledge on the subject.. whistle:
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The big difference this time around is that this is a virus with an incubation period of up to 21 days, a basic fatality rate of up to 10% and can be transmitted by airborne droplet as well as rodents
Where do you get your information from? Stephen King?
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The big difference this time around is that this is a virus with an incubation period of up to 21 days, a basic fatality rate of up to 10% and can be transmitted by airborne droplet as well as rodents
Where do you get your information from? Stephen King?
Mainly from the Centres for Disease Control website but also looked at the UK Health Security Agency site. I was concentrating more on the transmission methods that would be most likely to cause a knee jerk reaction by governments given everything that was done over covid.
Infection period and potential fatality rate
https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/symptoms.html
Transmission methods
https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/transmission.html
On this side of the pond Monkeypox is classified as an airborne High Consequence Infectious Disease (the same category as Pneumonic Plague, MERS, SARS and Hantavirus to name a few) but can also spread through contact based on these characteristics:
It is an acute infectious disease with a high case fatality rate
It is often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly and when it is detected there may not be an effective prophylaxis or treatment
It has the ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
It requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely
Airborne HCIDs are spread by respiratory droplets or aerosol transmission as well as the standard contact routes of transmission (direct contact with an infected patient or infected fluids, tissues and other materials, or by indirect contact with contaminated materials and fomites)
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And yet the population of Africa hasn't been decimated rubschin:
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True, but as I said the fatality rate is up to 10% not exactly.
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And yet the population of Africa hasn't been decimated rubschin:
Well it has, just probably not through Monkey Pox
Ad far from these imagined 'the government will use this an excuse for some control of the people' paranoia this is actually what they're saying:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/monkeypox
Summary: It's not a crisis not even close but we'd be stupid not to keep our eyes open
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I think I am OK as I descend from a long line of monkeys, as do many folk on here (except Mr Darwin, sir)
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And far from these imagined 'the government will use this an excuse for some control of the people' paranoia this is actually what they're saying:
Well, they've done it quite recently actually so it isn't our imagination is it...? Time will tell if they'll use MonkeyPox to do it all over again won't it...?
My guess is, "yes"...
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I never said the government was going to use it as an excuse for more control. My point was that based upon the reactions to covid I could see there being knee jerk policy decisions that don't consider the long term ramifications.
Something interesting I've noticed on the .gov page. The bit I said earlier about Monkeypox being a HCID came from looking at it a couple of hours ago so it's been recently updated to remove that information even though they haven't removed the link to the detailed description of the term or amended the updates list.
However if you follow the link and check the list of HCID examples Monkeypox is still listed on there as an airborne HCID
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And far from these imagined 'the government will use this an excuse for some control of the people' paranoia this is actually what they're saying:
Well, they've done it quite recently actually so it isn't our imagination is it...? Time will tell if they'll use MonkeyPox to do it all over again won't it...?
My guess is, "yes"...
No they did not
They reacted appropriately to a chronically overloaded NHS and 1,000+ a day dying of Covid despite Icke. Piers Corbyn and a few nutters saying it was all imagined..
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And far from these imagined 'the government will use this an excuse for some control of the people' paranoia this is actually what they're saying:
Well, they've done it quite recently actually so it isn't our imagination is it...? Time will tell if they'll use MonkeyPox to do it all over again won't it...?
My guess is, "yes"...
No they did not
They reacted appropriately to a chronically overloaded NHS and 1,000+ a day dying of Covid despite Icke. Piers Corbyn and a few nutters saying it was all imagined..
You forgot to add 'IMHO' to your reply... ::)
Sweden and other countries would beg to differ they acted appropriately...
And I think 'with Covid' might be more appropriate than 'of Covid'... Sending Covid positive patients back into care homes with the near-end-of life elderly wasn't the most brilliant plan was it...? What was the average age of death of Covid patients?
Still, as I said... Time will tell if that was a one off or not...
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You forgot to add 'IMHO' to your reply... ::)
So did you
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And far from these imagined 'the government will use this an excuse for some control of the people' paranoia this is actually what they're saying:
Well, they've done it quite recently actually so it isn't our imagination is it...? Time will tell if they'll use MonkeyPox to do it all over again won't it...?
My guess is, "yes"...
No they did not
They reacted appropriately to a chronically overloaded NHS and 1,000+ a day dying of Covid despite Icke. Piers Corbyn and a few nutters saying it was all imagined..
You forgot to add 'IMHO' to your reply... ::)
Sweden and other countries would beg to differ they acted appropriately...
And I think 'with Covid' might be more appropriate than 'of Covid'... Sending Covid positive patients back into care homes with the near-end-of life elderly wasn't the most brilliant plan was it...? What was the average age of death of Covid patients?
Still, as I said... Time will tell if that was a one off or not...
Sweden tried voluntary lockdown it worked for a while because Swedes aren't shitheads like too many Brits. But they ended up with an appalling case and death rate than comparable nations and of course compulsory lockdown
The death with Covid story is an illusion. Unless there was a dramatic tendency for people testing positive to fall under buses, get cancer or have heart attacks then when 1401 people were reported dead of Covid on 22 January 2021 and a 7 days rate of 1,240 a day the most that could be 'death with Covid' was just 30 leaving a daily rate of over 1,200 dead from Covid
And same day 38,420 Covid patients were clogging up our hospitals including 3,721 at death's door on ventilators
Facts https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
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You forgot to add 'IMHO' to your reply... ::)
So did you
No, I referred to the other places that didn't have the same NPIs yet had better outcomes... not my opinion at all... And sending Covid patients to care homes with vulnerable elderly, many that died of Covid is recorded fact too... ::)
"They reacted properly" is your humble opinion and is at odds with the facts...
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And far from these imagined 'the government will use this an excuse for some control of the people' paranoia this is actually what they're saying:
Well, they've done it quite recently actually so it isn't our imagination is it...? Time will tell if they'll use MonkeyPox to do it all over again won't it...?
My guess is, "yes"...
No they did not
They reacted appropriately to a chronically overloaded NHS and 1,000+ a day dying of Covid despite Icke. Piers Corbyn and a few nutters saying it was all imagined..
You forgot to add 'IMHO' to your reply... ::)
Sweden and other countries would beg to differ they acted appropriately...
And I think 'with Covid' might be more appropriate than 'of Covid'... Sending Covid positive patients back into care homes with the near-end-of life elderly wasn't the most brilliant plan was it...? What was the average age of death of Covid patients?
Still, as I said... Time will tell if that was a one off or not...
Sweden tried voluntary lockdown it worked for a while because Swedes aren't shitheads like too many Brits. But they ended up with an appalling case and death rate than comparable nations and of course compulsory lockdown
The death with Covid story is an illusion. Unless there was a dramatic tendency for people testing positive to fall under buses, get cancer or have heart attacks then when 1401 people were reported dead of Covid on 22 January 2021 and a 7 days rate of 1,240 a day the most that could be 'death with Covid' was just 30 leaving a daily rate of over 1,200 dead from Covid
And same day 38,420 Covid patients were clogging up our hospitals including 3,721 at death's door on ventilators
Facts https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Deaths per 1,000,000 population...
Sweden #59, UK #27 Not so appalling then...?
They did better than... Well, I'm sure you can look up the list of the other 58 countries that did worse...
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Now compare with comparable Norway and Finland
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-03-31/sweden-covid-policy-was-a-disaster
(https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/229692c/2147483647/strip/true/crop/3400x2400+0+0/resize/840x593!/format/webp/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Ff0%2Fa5%2Fd19bb468447fb8f0c80682e429af%2Fcovid-deaths.jpg)
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You forgot to add 'IMHO' to your reply... ::)
So did you
No, I referred to the other places that didn't have the same NPIs yet had better outcomes... not my opinion at all... And sending Covid patients to care homes with vulnerable elderly, many that died of Covid is recorded fact too... ::)
"They reacted properly" is your humble opinion and is at odds with the facts...
Moving the goalposts much?
We were talking about the need for lockdowns
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You forgot to add 'IMHO' to your reply... ::)
So did you
No, I referred to the other places that didn't have the same NPIs yet had better outcomes... not my opinion at all... And sending Covid patients to care homes with vulnerable elderly, many that died of Covid is recorded fact too... ::)
"They reacted properly" is your humble opinion and is at odds with the facts...
Moving the goalposts much?
We were talking about the need for lockdowns
That is an easy one then, the numbers are in.
Lockdowns didn't work and they have created financial devastation and ruined lives wherever they were implemented.
Back on topic...
I sincerely hope MonkeyPox isn't serious and restrictions aren't returned. However, there has already been much more reaction form the authorities than there was for the 2018 outbreak which most of us didn't even notice... I fear the worst...
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There was one case in late 2019 and three in 2018 so this year's numbers are much higher and show community transmission
It's something that needs watching and a degree of concern, that's all anyone of any sense or authority has advocated
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Monkeypox designated a notifiable disease, UKHSA says (https://news.sky.com/story/monkeypox-designated-a-notifiable-disease-ukhsa-says-12629461)
Well that didn't take long... rubschin:
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Sensible move though
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WHO Boss Tedros Officially Declares Monkeypox a Global Emergency (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/07/23/who-boss-tedros-officially-declares-monkeypox-global-emergency/)
Crank up the fear... ::)
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WHO Boss Tedros Officially Declares Monkeypox a Global Emergency (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/07/23/who-boss-tedros-officially-declares-monkeypox-global-emergency/)
Crank up the fear... ::)
Run along for your jabs, good citizens ;D ;D ;D
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Am I being overly cynical for thinking that there hasn't been the desired level of fear from Monkey Pox..? rubschin:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11036509/Spain-confirms-case-Crimean-Congo-haemorrhagic-fever.html
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Am I being overly cynical for thinking that there hasn't been the desired level of fear from Monkey Pox..? rubschin:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11036509/Spain-confirms-case-Crimean-Congo-haemorrhagic-fever.html
lol: lol: lol:
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facepalm: