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Come Inside... => The Commons => Topic started by: Grumpmeister on June 24, 2022, 04:24:45 PM
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Overturning Roe v Wade and releasing the news on a Friday? It doesn't take a genius to predict how this is going to end up. Given that DHS has already been frantically contacting churches, charities, pregnancy centres etc the only question is how bad is the rioting and destruction going to be. noooo:
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/supreme-court-roe-v-wade-abortion-rights/
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Worth reading what they've actually said. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/19-1392_6j37.pdf
All it really says is encapsulated is:"We therefore hold that the Constitution does not confer a right to abortion... and the authority to regulate abortion must be returned to the people and their elected representatives,"
States are therefore able to legislate either way. IMHO those that make it illegal are wrong but surely that's their democratic right to be wrong. And those that do will find they have real issues with attracting key businesses.
Roe v Wade was always a strange case, won on a very niche interpretation.
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Overturning Roe v Wade and releasing the news on a Friday? It doesn't take a genius to predict how this is going to end up. Given that DHS has already been frantically contacting churches, charities, pregnancy centres etc the only question is how bad is the rioting and destruction going to be. noooo:
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/supreme-court-roe-v-wade-abortion-rights/
It will be terrible... noooo:
The left have already talked it up to a ban on abortion which it clearly isn't... R v W was wrong from the start...
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The whole thing is a grey issue and shouldn't be used as rallying cry by the political parties, unfortunately you have the right saying that abortion is wrong and on the left you have the rise of lunatics like Kathy Tran who wanted to see abortion allowed up to the point of birth saying that the infant would be delivered, kept comfortable, resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother. It's probably the only thing I agree with Hillary Clinton over, that abortion should be safe, legal and most importantly rare.
From a legal standpoint the Supreme Court is correct, there is nothing in the constitution that grants an automatic right to abortion. There is also nothing stopping Congress from passing a law that gives that right. If anything NO right should be automatically granted by the court, it should always go through legislation so that there is public accountability.
The problem is that there are too many people who aren't going to bother reading what's actually been said and jump straight into rioting. There have already been cases of pregnancy centres and charities being firebombed not to mention the idiot who decided to go and assassinate a member of the supreme court.
I can see this getting bloody.
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Awful news
Yet I have seen YOUNG American women on the News celebrating it! Bonkers
Why do the twats always appeal to an 18th century document so flawed that it had to keep being Amended!
A total ban is a death sentence for some women and it also forbids abortions for victims of rape and incest
The USA has gone completely mad!
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Awful news
Yet I have seen YOUNG American women on the News celebrating it! Bonkers
Why do the twats always appeal to an 18th century document so flawed that it had to keep being Amended!
A total ban is a death sentence for some women and it also forbids abortions for victims of rape and incest
The USA has gone completely mad!
It isn't a total ban... ::)
It just pushes the decision out to the states...
So places like (I'm guessing) Utah could ban it while places like California could allow it up to 10 years after birth or summat...
Travelling betwixt states is no more difficult than travelling from Ireland (before it was legal) to the UK...
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And poor women in Southern states can have illegal abortions using coat hangers or dodgy online drugs and still risk decades in prison if caught or turned in by the Texan bounty claimers
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And as I've previously said, because the supreme court has stated that the matter should be dealt with by elected officials there is nothing stopping Congress from passing a law that says the same thing as the original decision. Especially as, at least until the midterms, the Democrats have a majority in the house.
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And as I've previously said, because the supreme court has stated that the matter should be dealt with by elected officials there is nothing stopping Congress from passing a law that says the same thing as the original decision. Especially as, at least until the midterms, the Democrats have a majority in the house.
No they don't have a majority, it's split 50:50 which means the GOP can filibuster any bill to death
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And poor women in Southern states can have illegal abortions using coat hangers or dodgy online drugs and still risk decades in prison if caught or turned in by the Texan bounty claimers
How many states will make abortion illegal I wonder...? rubschin:
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And poor women in Southern states can have illegal abortions using coat hangers or dodgy online drugs and still risk decades in prison if caught or turned in by the Texan bounty claimers
How many states will make abortion illegal I wonder...? rubschin:
less than a third by sum population but probably ~half by number (and therefore Senate representation)
Meister isn't totally out of order that if some of the jihadists have their way this could end in civil war
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It's evangelical Sharia Law
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And as I've previously said, because the supreme court has stated that the matter should be dealt with by elected officials there is nothing stopping Congress from passing a law that says the same thing as the original decision. Especially as, at least until the midterms, the Democrats have a majority in the house.
No they don't have a majority, it's split 50:50 which means the GOP can filibuster any bill to death
On paper it's a 50:50 split but you are discounting the moderate republicans who at least some of whom would most likely vote in favour of common sense legislation for abortion rights based around safe legal and rare, not to mention the ones like Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger who know that barring a miracle they are finished at the mid terms and have nothing to lose.
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And as I've previously said, because the supreme court has stated that the matter should be dealt with by elected officials there is nothing stopping Congress from passing a law that says the same thing as the original decision. Especially as, at least until the midterms, the Democrats have a majority in the house.
No they don't have a majority, it's split 50:50 which means the GOP can filibuster any bill to death
On paper it's a 50:50 split but you are discounting the moderate republicans who at least some of whom would most likely vote in favour of common sense legislation for abortion rights based around safe legal and rare, not to mention the ones like Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger who know that barring a miracle they are finished at the mid terms and have nothing to lose.
Some Democrat senators are anti abortion although Casey did recently say he would support an abortion rights bill. And to stop a filibuster Biden would need 60 senators to support him.
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And as I've previously said, because the supreme court has stated that the matter should be dealt with by elected officials there is nothing stopping Congress from passing a law that says the same thing as the original decision. Especially as, at least until the midterms, the Democrats have a majority in the house.
No they don't have a majority, it's split 50:50 which means the GOP can filibuster any bill to death
On paper it's a 50:50 split but you are discounting the moderate republicans who at least some of whom would most likely vote in favour of common sense legislation for abortion rights based around safe legal and rare, not to mention the ones like Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger who know that barring a miracle they are finished at the mid terms and have nothing to lose.
Some Democrat senators are anti abortion although Casey did recently say he would support an abortion rights bill. And to stop a filibuster Biden would need 60 senators to support him.
To be honest I think it's going to be easy to get 60 Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins can go straight on that list then as they have both been long in favour of abortion rights so alongside Kinzinger and Cheney you are almost half way there straight off the bat. I'd also bear in mind that a recent Gallup poll showed that 42% of republican voters supported legal abortion in the first trimester (15 weeks) and I can't see cases on medical grounds being blocked by law either. The only reason that Texas has immediately invoked draconian anti abortion laws is that the pre Roe ones were never taken off the books and so came back into effect as soon as the Supreme Court decision was made.
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And in the meantime I suggest investing in abortion drugs available online while all the clinics are closing down
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And in the meantime I suggest investing in abortion drugs available online while all the clinics are closing down
A cunning plan Mr Nick
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And in the meantime I suggest investing in abortion drugs available online while all the clinics are closing down
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