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Come Inside... => Saloon Bar => Topic started by: Barman on November 03, 2007, 10:31:28 AM
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The National Trust is to set itself up in direct opposition to the government's house-building programme.
Prime Minister Gordon Brown has pledged to build three million more homes by 2020 to tackle the housing crisis.
Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7076256.stm)
Why oh why doesn’t somebody – anybody - point out the foolishness of this plan?
Three million more homes means three million cookers, fridges, microwaves, TV’s, gas boilers, etc. – all imported…
Three million cars, perhaps as many as six or eight million (all imported)…
Six million adults plus eight million kids (mostly imported)…
Three million wheelie bins full of rubbish every week…
Yet we are constantly being told that the environment is ferked, the transport infrastructure can’t cope and climate change will turn most low-lying areas into attractive water features.
And slackjaw makes out this is a good thing and nobody questions it – even the National Trust doesn’t argue against three million new homes – just where they should be built.
No slackjaw, a good thing would be to pay people to fark-off to somewhere else and not build three million houses in green belt areas. Wanker!
angry037
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happ096
You should stand for Parliament you silver tongued devil.
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happ096
You should stand for Parliament you silver tongued devil.
I’m not sure about that but I was thinking about starting one of those petitions on the gov web site… rubschin:
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No slackjaw, a good thing would be to pay people to fark-off to somewhere else and not build three million houses in green belt areas. Wanker!
angry037
If they would let me take our pension, I would go and free up a property, my Mum needs looking after and has a nice little s/c flat in her garden, right next to the pool, cloud9: but if you want to live "outside of Europe" your pension is frozen and receives no cost of living increases, (also if I go they may decide not to let me back scared2: )
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Imagine the cost of three million homes, plus the extra infrastructure – not just roads but power generation, water provision, sewage, food, telephony, energy…
With the money saved you could encourage people to fark off with a gold-plated, index-linked pension and still be quids-in…
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As you say, these houses are only for single mothers and the unemployable.
Build nice big workhouses which can double up as prisons, instead of wasting the money on little individual houses.
The government could learn a lot from a study on battery farming techniques. evil:
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Are there actually housing shortages though? Where are all these homeless people?
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Are there actually housing shortages though? Where are all these homeless people?
One the way from Poland... noooo:
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Are there actually housing shortages though? Where are all these homeless people?
One the way from Poland... noooo:
SHUT THE BORDERS!!!
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In another example of governmental foresight, they are closing eight Land Registry Offices by 2010.
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In another example of governmental foresight, they are closing eight Land Registry Offices by 2010.
See? Wankers! Banghead
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Are there actually housing shortages though? Where are all these homeless people?
There is a shortage of people who actually own their own houses and as such can be taxed to the hilt by his bunch of con artists in power Wenchy.
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Are there actually housing shortages though? Where are all these homeless people?
There is a shortage of people who actually own their own houses and as such can be taxed to the hilt by his bunch of con artists in power Wenchy.
Ahhh that would be me then. Perhaps if all the buy to let landlords were forced to sell their portfolios it might lessen the shortage somewhat.
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That's called ECONOMICS
Speaking as someone who lets two houses out I favour the preservation of the greenbelt eveilgrin:
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Are there actually housing shortages though? Where are all these homeless people?
There is a shortage of people who actually own their own houses and as such can be taxed to the hilt by his bunch of con artists in power Wenchy.
Ahhh that would be me then. Perhaps if all the buy to let landlords were forced to sell their portfolios it might lessen the shortage somewhat.
That will never happen because then the government would lose the extra revenue from the 2 homes or more mob.
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I know, I know. Still doesn't stop me being cross at the greedy bastards! cussing:
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There are several factors at play here.
(i) More people are seeking to buy their own home "get on the property ladder" or whatever you want to call it because they have been convinced that this is the only measure of success in life in the UK
(ii) Many migrant families have purchased properties over recent years and as they tend to have larger families than native Brits they club together (pool their incomes) to achieve this. As their children marry and leave home again the whole family will buy a home for them thus one family can own a number of houses.(Enoch was right in this respect as in so many others)
(iii) There are more single people and/or single parent families seeking homes
(iv) Public house building programmes have been at a virtual standstill since government decided the apres war crisis had been solved.
(v) Local authorities have not been permitted to build "Council Houses" for some considerable time and anyway nobody wants them because of (i) above
(vi) The Government is a crock of shite that could not find its way out of a paper bag let alone solve the problem in any meaningful way. That is not what "They" see as their function.
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It isn't really because of the measure of success thing it's because it would be nice to be able to paint, put up a shelf without having written in triplicate permission!
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It isn't really because of the measure of success thing it's because it would be nice to be able to paint, put up a shelf without having written in triplicate permission!
My parents lived in a council house. They could put up as many shelves as they wanted and paint the place whenever they wished, in any colour they desired. You are talking restrictive private rental ~ a very different kettle of fish. See my points about "social housing"
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It isn't really because of the measure of success thing it's because it would be nice to be able to paint, put up a shelf without having written in triplicate permission!
My parents lived in a council house. They could put up as many shelves as they wanted and paint the place whenever they wished, in any colour they desired. You are talking restrictive private rental ~ a very different kettle of fish. See my points about "social housing"
I was born and brought up in a council flat – look at me now!
rubschin:
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It isn't really because of the measure of success thing it's because it would be nice to be able to paint, put up a shelf without having written in triplicate permission!
My parents lived in a council house. They could put up as many shelves as they wanted and paint the place whenever they wished, in any colour they desired. You are talking restrictive private rental ~ a very different kettle of fish. See my points about "social housing"
I was born and brought up in a council flat – look at me now!
rubschin:
Exactly!
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It isn't really because of the measure of success thing it's because it would be nice to be able to paint, put up a shelf without having written in triplicate permission!
My parents lived in a council house. They could put up as many shelves as they wanted and paint the place whenever they wished, in any colour they desired. You are talking restrictive private rental ~ a very different kettle of fish. See my points about "social housing"
Ahhh I'm not though. Apparently I am not suitable for "social housing" and I don't earn enough to buy so I don't really have an option.
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Wenchy bears a grudge. You will have to get Mr Wench to find a new job out of London.
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It is part of the grand plan.
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So where do you plan to move?
Primary schools are feminisied environments and tehy can't recruit Heads for any money nowadays. Of our four local Primaries only one has a decent head and 2 are heading for the sack. New DH of The Boy's School is only 32.................
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Within five years move to Wales, within eight to ten get a headship. Should be doable by all accounts.
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He could get a headship in that time deffo. I assume he knows about this.
http://www.schoolsweb.gov.uk/locate/professionaldevelopment/careerops/ncfsl/ (http://www.schoolsweb.gov.uk/locate/professionaldevelopment/careerops/ncfsl/)
I write stuff for them, which is worrying!
WALES?! scared2:
Norfolk!
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It isn't really because of the measure of success thing it's because it would be nice to be able to paint, put up a shelf without having written in triplicate permission!
My parents lived in a council house. They could put up as many shelves as they wanted and paint the place whenever they wished, in any colour they desired. You are talking restrictive private rental ~ a very different kettle of fish. See my points about "social housing"
Ahhh I'm not though. Apparently I am not suitable for "social housing" and I don't earn enough to buy so I don't really have an option.
Exactly the point ~ in the old days you would have been put on a list for a council flat/house and, eventually, been granted one. Now you "don't qualify". It's called Social Engineering.
"They" want you to move out to the sticks and this is one way of making you.
Now let's look at this sensibly. Pay Scales for teachers (even NQTs) are pretty good and you also earn ~ so 3 or 4 times your joint income makes a mortgage affordable.
Properties ~ two bed semi in this area can be had for between £65 and £75k ..... Less if you are not particular about location. Teacher's pay is on the same national scale wherever and there are vacancies in all parts of the UK. If Mr Wench speaks Welsh then they'd pay him extra here because they cannot get enough Welsh speakers, if he doesn't but is willing to learn they'll still pay extra and give him time off to learn it.
If you don't want a house then you can buy a flat here for less than £25k ~ there is one in the village going for £19k today.
Another advantage to North Wales is that it is harder to get to Cardiff from here than it is from London. lol:
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Yep. Not sure what he is doing but there is stuff in the works. His current headmaster whilst a bit of a numpty is helping in that department.
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Wenchy, how can you not afford a house on two professional wages, when lenders will give 5x income without proof of income? Are you only looking in central London or extremely cautious with your money?
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The problem seems to be a desperate attempt to retain all the London advantages but at Northumberland prices.
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What are the advantages of London? I lived there for several years - with London weighting in my salary - and was skint the entire time. I miss the friends I had down there and the art galleries, but the standard of living we can afford up here more than makes up for it.
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Wenchy, how can you not afford a house on two professional wages, when lenders will give 5x income without proof of income? Are you only looking in central London or extremely cautious with your money?
Suburbia, and I don't want a flat which is what we would be able to afford. I'm quite resigned to the fact that we can't afford to buy here now. We are staying put for the time being because of my work and medical issues with a plan to move to Wales when those things are sorted and when Mr Wench can get a job teaching in a school there.
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Having just seen the Welsh budget it will be like moving to a third world country.
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Yeah, like Nigeria! noooo:
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Wenchy, how can you not afford a house on two professional wages, when lenders will give 5x income without proof of income? Are you only looking in central London or extremely cautious with your money?
Suburbia, and I don't want a flat which is what we would be able to afford. I'm quite resigned to the fact that we can't afford to buy here now. We are staying put for the time being because of my work and medical issues with a plan to move to Wales when those things are sorted and when Mr Wench can get a job teaching in a school there.
Don't move to WALES, for so many good reasons...........
Wimmin!
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Having just seen the Welsh budget it will be like moving to a third world country.
You mean it isn't already? eeek:
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Wenchy, how can you not afford a house on two professional wages, when lenders will give 5x income without proof of income? Are you only looking in central London or extremely cautious with your money?
Suburbia, and I don't want a flat which is what we would be able to afford. I'm quite resigned to the fact that we can't afford to buy here now. We are staying put for the time being because of my work and medical issues with a plan to move to Wales when those things are sorted and when Mr Wench can get a job teaching in a school there.
Don't move to WALES, for so many good reasons...........
Wimmin!
Yes but what are they? The four reaons for moving to the Cardiff area are
i) Close to Mr Wench's family
ii) Good airport with links to Malaga, hence close to my family
iii) Cheapish housing and a better standard of living
iv) Near the sea
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Wenchy, how can you not afford a house on two professional wages, when lenders will give 5x income without proof of income? Are you only looking in central London or extremely cautious with your money?
Suburbia, and I don't want a flat which is what we would be able to afford. I'm quite resigned to the fact that we can't afford to buy here now. We are staying put for the time being because of my work and medical issues with a plan to move to Wales when those things are sorted and when Mr Wench can get a job teaching in a school there.
Don't move to WALES, for so many good reasons...........
Wimmin!
Yes but what are they? The four reaons for moving to the Cardiff area are
i) Close to Mr Wench's family
ii) Good airport with links to Malaga, hence close to my family
iii) Cheapish housing and a better standard of living
iv) Near the sea
Were there any plus points to offset that list?
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drumroll:
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i) Close to Mr Wench's "family"
MOTHER! evil:
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i) Close to Mr Wench's "family"
MOTHER! evil:
Actually more like Cardiff City. ::)
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What joy!
not
that I know anything about sport, but I am sure it's bad.
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They are rubbish.
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And you want to move there and live near the MIL?
And the airport?
http://info.cwlfly.com/en/news/4/306/wales-poland-routes-launched.html (http://info.cwlfly.com/en/news/4/306/wales-poland-routes-launched.html)
Direct flights to (actually from) Poland
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Are there actually housing shortages though? Where are all these homeless people?
Mostly being kept at great expense in B & B and the like, or you could pop down to the Embankment late one night and ask them. ;)
'Children' and married couples into their 30's are still living at home with parents because they can't afford to move out.
People that will soon be evicted because their 'Fixed rate' mortgages are coming to an end and we are all holding our breath waiting for the finance sector to collapse.
It is well past time that we recognised that this is a two-tier country, those that can afford housing and those that cannot.
Even the government accepts that there is an urgent need for ten million AFFORDABLE homes to be available by 2010. (Fat chance) and demand is already up by 14% this year alone.
It is going to be a grim decade ahead for the majority of wage-earners, and the hardest part of all is to de-stigmatise the concept of renting in the face of the 'Must-own-my-house' impetus which is designed for restraint rather than freedom.
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Yes but what are they? The four reaons for moving to the Cardiff area are
i) Close to Mr Wench's family
ii) Good airport with links to Malaga, hence close to my family
iii) Cheapish housing and a better standard of living
iv) Near the sea
Will that be the Bristol Channel then - good luck on that one - I hope you have some really good wellies and a love of swamp life ;D
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Yes but what are they? The four reaons for moving to the Cardiff area are
i) Close to Mr Wench's family
ii) Good airport with links to Malaga, hence close to my family
iii) Cheapish housing and a better standard of living
iv) Near the sea
Will that be the Bristol Channel then - good luck on that one - I hope you have some really good wellies and a love of swamp life ;D
It's only there twice a day - and NEVER there when I look! evil: