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Come Inside... => Saloon Bar => Topic started by: Snoopy on November 16, 2007, 04:32:03 PM
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http://uk.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKL1610157720071116 noooo:
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what will happen to the family in the house ?? they need a new home.. eeek:
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what will happen to the family in the house ?? they need a new home.. eeek:
They said on the telly this morning that they were staying in a hotel and would never have to return if they didn’t want to…
Quite who pays for it all I just don’t know… noooo:
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Who always pays? WE DO!
But in this case, as with Fred West's house it is right that we should. The property should be pulled down and a memorial garden made of the land.
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Who always pays? WE DO!
But in this case, as with Fred West's house it is right that we should. The proerty should be pulled down and a memorial garden made of the land.
rubschin: What pray tell is a proerty? pcwhack: Ouch!
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It is a typing error..... Not the sort of thing you would ever make I'm sure ::)
Didn't we come here to get away from such pedantry? ~ Or at least that was, I thought, the agreement.
I see GOM have had to start a pendants page ~ perhaps we need to consider it?
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It is a typing error..... Not the sort of thing you would ever make I'm sure ::)
Didn't we come here to get away from such pedantry? ~ Or at least that was, I thought, the agreement.
I see GOM have had to start a pendants page ~ perhaps we need to consider it?
I do it all the time, ::) I was just fed up, the bar was empty and there no one to play with. It sort of jumped out at me. Not having access to the sort of buttons you have, I could not correct it for you. whistle:
Regarding that place which shall not be named, I have not looked in over there for months, I hardly get to time to peek in here these days. sad24:
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Who always pays? WE DO!
But in this case, as with Fred West's house it is right that we should. The property should be pulled down and a memorial garden made of the land.
rubschin:
I'm not sure...
rubschin:
Should we pull down every property where somebody died under tragic circumstances?
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My company had a mortgage on the house next to Fred West's. He moved out (obviously) when the media descended and eventually it was sold for seven thousand at auction. He owed us fifty eight thousand. I felt so sorry for the poor bugger.
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I see GOM have had to start a pendants page ~ perhaps we need to consider it?
happy001 happy001 pendants happy001 happy001
redface: Sorry
Very childish redface:
Not to mention petty. . . .
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I see GOM have had to start a pendants page ~ perhaps we need to consider it?
happy001 happy001 pendants happy001 happy001
redface: Sorry
Very childish redface:
Not to mention petty. . . .
drumroll:
They haven't got this --->>> drumroll: either... whistle:
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Back on topic please, foolish persons!
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I see GOM have had to start a pendants page ~ perhaps we need to consider it?
happy001 happy001 pendants happy001 happy001
redface: Sorry
Very childish redface:
Not to mention petty. . . .
Please don't apologise ~ you rather spoil the effect of my deliberate error to soften what was sounding a bit of a pettish post ....You were not supposed to be the one that spotted it.
Besides one has to take the p*ss a little about a "Pedants Page" ::)
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Back on topic please, foolish persons!
I agree.
It is a very difficult situation. With the West property my understanding was that the police damn nearly demolished it looking for evidence anyway. This one looks like going the same way.
There are three houses in this village where I know murders have been committed but they were basically "domestic" and the locals maintain a discreet silence about the events. Newcomers to the village do buy them, eventually, and the conspiracy of silence often means that they change hands several times without the owners ever knowing the history.
I think, however, that houses where mass murder has been committed and the bodies buried for years are on a different scale. The notoriety will finish any value in the property and the notoriety will never leave them. No-one is likely to buy them ... indeed people would be suspicious of anyone who did.
Anyway it's only bricks and mortar ~ what about the victims and, more especially, their surviving families and friends? They will want to see a closure to the matter and I feel that, since they will not have the pleasure of seeing the murderer hung, at least they would probably want the site levelled and some sort of memorial erected.
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Of course we should pull down every property where something nasty has happened.
We should erect huge teddy bear monuments on the land instead... until we run out of land and are all living in tents, then we perhaps we could review the policy.
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An interesting point of view rubschin: Or was it sarcasm?
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I believe the house is mid-terrace so pulling it down shoud prove interesting. rubschin:
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If it is of any interest, we took a two thousand cash settlement and wrote off the other forty nine grand. For once, big business did something right.
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That is of interest ~ no doubt sometimes the right decisions are made and we must be grateful for that.
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Of course we should pull down every property where something nasty has happened.
We should erect huge teddy bear monuments on the land instead... until we run out of land and are all living in tents, then we perhaps we could review the policy.
Was Walt Disney a mass murderer?
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I wonder if the McCann house will be demolished in future whistle:
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There is precedent for pulling such houses down ~ not least as this article points out it stops sickos from visiting in search of souvenirs.
http://tinyurl.com/25j4fo
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I wonder if the McCann house will be demolished in future whistle:
rubschin:
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An interesting point of view rubschin: Or was it sarcasm?
I confess. It was sarcasm. It is an extension of the silly national obsession of leaving sad and bedraggled bouquets of (dead) flowers and soggy miserable teddy bears at spots where a fatality has happened in the last couple of years.
I say silly because the practice of having cemeteries and 'gardens of rememberance' grew out of the need of people to reflect quietly on the departed in an appropriate location and away from the danger that caused the death in the first place. They used to be noted as 'Black spots' if people started trends in dying in particular places.
Oddly, is has also become a national trait to feel revulsion for the location of a grisly crime and feel the need to dispose of it as opposed to celebrate a public death site.
Marked battlefields of historic note where hundreds had died, I can understand, but the emphasis on individual deaths is, I feel, taking things too far.
The media seems to be the villain here as it seems it is not the fact that a dirty deed was done, but rather, the press have made a national issue of it and people feel too embarrassed to live there. After all, if we were to turn all of our death sites into gardens of rememberance or whatnot, with a population racing past 57 million we would pretty soon run out of places to occupy and have to resort to pitching our tents in those gardens of rememberance. Cast a thought as to how many people have already died in this island to grasp a degree of scale involved.
People have got to be far too sensitive nowadays, and seize with gusto any passing chance to be upset at something - anything!
Maybe we are in need of a war or something to re-unite us with some of the realities of life like people die. Their deaths, in sometimes less that pleasant circumstances, is sad and depressing but the cemetery is the place for the grieving. The rest of us should get over it and move on.
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An interesting point of view rubschin: Or was it sarcasm?
I confess. It was sarcasm. It is an extension of the silly national obsession of leaving sad and bedraggled bouquets of (dead) flowers and soggy miserable teddy bears at spots where a fatality has happened in the last couple of years.
I say silly because the practice of having cemeteries and 'gardens of rememberance' grew out of the need of people to reflect quietly on the departed in an appropriate location and away from the danger that caused the death in the first place. They used to be noted as 'Black spots' if people started trends in dying in particular places.
Oddly, is has also become a national trait to feel revulsion for the location of a grisly crime and feel the need to dispose of it as opposed to celebrate a public death site.
Marked battlefields of historic note where hundreds had died, I can understand, but the emphasis on individual deaths is, I feel, taking things too far.
The media seems to be the villain here as it seems it is not the fact that a dirty deed was done, but rather, the press have made a national issue of it and people feel too embarrassed to live there. After all, if we were to turn all of our death sites into gardens of rememberance or whatnot, with a population racing past 57 million we would pretty soon run out of places to occupy and have to resort to pitching our tents in those gardens of rememberance. Cast a thought as to how many people have already died in this island to grasp a degree of scale involved.
People have got to be far too sensitive nowadays, and seize with gusto any passing chance to be upset at something - anything!
Maybe we are in need of a war or something to re-unite us with some of the realities of life like people die. Their deaths, in sometimes less that pleasant circumstances, is sad and depressing but the cemetery is the place for the grieving. The rest of us should get over it and move on.
Agreed... happy088
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An interesting point of view rubschin: Or was it sarcasm?
I confess. It was sarcasm. It is an extension of the silly national obsession of leaving sad and bedraggled bouquets of (dead) flowers and soggy miserable teddy bears at spots where a fatality has happened in the last couple of years.
I say silly because the practice of having cemeteries and 'gardens of rememberance' grew out of the need of people to reflect quietly on the departed in an appropriate location and away from the danger that caused the death in the first place. They used to be noted as 'Black spots' if people started trends in dying in particular places.
Oddly, is has also become a national trait to feel revulsion for the location of a grisly crime and feel the need to dispose of it as opposed to celebrate a public death site.
Marked battlefields of historic note where hundreds had died, I can understand, but the emphasis on individual deaths is, I feel, taking things too far.
The media seems to be the villain here as it seems it is not the fact that a dirty deed was done, but rather, the press have made a national issue of it and people feel too embarrassed to live there. After all, if we were to turn all of our death sites into gardens of rememberance or whatnot, with a population racing past 57 million we would pretty soon run out of places to occupy and have to resort to pitching our tents in those gardens of rememberance. Cast a thought as to how many people have already died in this island to grasp a degree of scale involved.
People have got to be far too sensitive nowadays, and seize with gusto any passing chance to be upset at something - anything!
Maybe we are in need of a war or something to re-unite us with some of the realities of life like people die. Their deaths, in sometimes less that pleasant circumstances, is sad and depressing but the cemetery is the place for the grieving. The rest of us should get over it and move on.
The need for cemeteries grew from the knowledge that dead bodies smell and, as they decompose, lead to illness among the living thus, since early history, mankind has looked for ways of putting the dead beyond the area in which he lives. Nothing to do with quiet reflection but simple hygiene. Different cultures have tackled this problem in a variety of ways. In our culture the church took over this responsibility some hundreds of years ago but "cemeteries" have been found that far predate Christianity thus we can be certain that even early man practiced some form of ceremonial disposal of the dead. The places chosen have always become sites of ritual as our knowledge that we will all eventually die is the one thing that separates us from other animals. The ceremony and ritual surrounding death has a significance in our culture and has since the very beginning. It is based in the celebration of the life now departed, the deeds done by the departed, the life led by that person and is usually performed by the deceased's family and friends tho' there are many recorded cases of enemies saluting the passing of an honoured and respected foe. Of course the interference of the Church and their determination to control every aspect of life extended to death and churchyards became the place where the ceremonies would be performed ~ with all the additional ritual that the church always likes to dress things up in..
In Britain the Cemeteries Act of 1853 removed the responsibility from the Established Church and handed it to Local Authorities (I'll not bore you all with the reasons for this when a glance at the average churchyard will show how crowded they had become). In 1894 Cardiff became the first authority in Britain to seek and gain an Act that permitted cremation as a way of disposing of a corpse. The main reason for seeking this act was again the lack of space for burials. In 1902 the Cremation Act granted other local authorities the right to establish crematoria and gradually cremation became more acceptable to the general public until today it is the most common form of disposal of the dead in the UK. Gardens of Remembrance really did not get going until many years later, when the practice of keeping "Dad's Ashes" in an urn on the mantle fell out of fashion.
To visit the grave of a loved one does not seem to me to be excessive and when the corpse has been cremated it is not unreasonable to have a Garden of Remembrance or somewhere similar where the ashes may be interred or scattered and, should they take comfort from visiting the place, then it is right that the survivors should be able to visit the place. For many it is a necessary act of grieving.
The "Mournarama" is a national disgrace and enlightened Local Authorities (EG Milton Keynes) have taken powers to remove such shrines after a period of seven days. This seems to me to be a reasonable compromise between the need some people feel to express their grief and the need to keep matters in proportion for the rest of us.
Yes people die all the time and I really don't think anyone has suggested that each and every death should be a cause to pull down the property in which they died. We wouldn't have many hospitals left for a start. But I do think that where a particularly gruesome and well publicised series of murders have been committed or lain hidden for many years there is a case to remove that particular property ~ quite apart from the fact that the police seem to leave so little of the property standing that it will probably have to come down anyway.
As for the War Cemeteries ~ they are a totally different matter and came about because of the huge losses suffered in WWI, following which there was no practical way of returning the dead to their families for burial. There was, in fact, a public outcry against this idea and it took many months to force the legislation through. Once established though this practice was followed during and after WWII. They are deeply moving places and serve as a permanent reminder of the folly of mankind's ambition.
Do we need another war to "re-unite us with the realities of life"? Well it may have escaped your attention but we are fighting two wars at the moment ~ in fact there has hardly been a time since 1945 when we have not been engaged in a war of one sort or another and many a British Serviceman remains in "some corner of a foreign field" as a result.
We seem to have come so far and yet learned so little.
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Well, at first sight you seem to be disagreeing with me but with careful reading I note that you agree in essence to what I said, either that or you contradicted yourself. I can live with a different viewpoint.
However, I do take offence at the inference that I had not 'noticed' that there are two wars currently being fought.
It had not escaped my notice, but it has escaped the notice of the great British public. Amid all the wailing for the odd kid being shot we have utterly failed in our recognition of the ultimate sacrifices being made in our name in the middle east (and other places) and it is that, that puts us out of touch with reality. I was thinking more of WW II level of conflict where people were in much more frequent touch with death and a little more practically minded about it.
We would be thinking only too clearly about our war efforts were being exerted at a level closer to home and the spectre of suffering and death was a little more real and immediate to ourselves.
Cemeteries are indeed places of disposal but if there only that they would be unmarked and a damn sight more crowded if they were not also places of 'quiet reflection' as I had said. The late need of that gave existence to the notion of 'gardens of remembrance' when people realised that there was no focal point for their human emotions to be aired.
War cemeteries. I referred to Battlefields. Marking the place where large numbers of soldiers died, not where they are to be remembered. We are, after all discussing places of death not methods of civilised remembrance.
I still maintain that it is nothing more that a current fashion to want to destroy a house where bodies have been discovered in the garden. They managed to live there happily for years in ignorance and, in all but the newest of houses, we all live equally ignorant and insensitive to what may have happened there before.
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Read it anyway you like ~ I cannot be held responsible for your interpretation of anything.
Now shall we leave it there as it is obvious to me, at least, that we are not going to agree over this.
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FFIIIGGGHHHHTTTTTTT
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Berek ~ Shut up.
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they demolish the houses because people like me would go along, nick some soil and flog it on e-bay
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they demolish the houses because people like me would go along, nick some soil and flog it on e-bay
lol:
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they demolish the houses because people like me would go along, nick some soil and flog it on e-bay
If you find any hair there, Barman may be interested?
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they demolish the houses because people like me would go along, nick some soil and flog it on e-bay
How would they know where the soil came from? eyes:
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they demolish the houses because people like me would go along, nick some soil and flog it on e-bay
How would they know where the soil came from? eyes:
rubschin:
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Exactly! ;)
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Like the relic of Bishop Cuthbert's finger, so revered in this parish, which is supposed to sit in each cask of ale.
The rate barman gets through that booze, the bishop must have been Cornish.
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lol: lol: lol:
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Like the relic of Bishop Cuthbert's finger, so revered in this parish, which is supposed to sit in each cask of ale.
The rate barman gets through that booze, the bishop must have been Cornish.
lol: lol: lol:
I am off the booze at the moment... sad24:
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Like the relic of Bishop Cuthbert's finger, so revered in this parish, which is supposed to sit in each cask of ale.
The rate barman gets through that booze, the bishop must have been Cornish.
lol: lol: lol:
I am off the booze at the moment... sad24:
The stuff about it making your hair fall out is just an old wenches wives tale you know.
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'We' are on a diet... ::)
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Trying to save dosh on airfares no doubt.
I assume Landlady is enforcing this with a rod of iron!! point:
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'We' are on a diet... ::)
noooo: noooo:
happy100
What item of clothing can't she get into?
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His underpants I spect! point:
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'We' are on a diet... ::)
noooo: noooo:
happy100
What item of clothing can't she get into?
I couldn't get into my leathers... redface:
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That's cos she boiled them!
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'We' are on a diet... ::)
noooo: noooo:
happy100
What item of clothing can't she get into?
I couldn't get into my leathers... redface:
They shrink if you leave them hanging for too long. whistle:
Presumably your helmet still fits. eyes:
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'We' are on a diet... ::)
noooo: noooo:
happy100
What item of clothing can't she get into?
I couldn't get into my leathers... redface:
They shrink if you leave them hanging for too long. whistle:
Presumably your helmet still fits. eyes:
My helmet is fine... whistle:
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There is the leather issue and then Madamoiselle BM is getting married. Can't look porky in the pictures!!! point:
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There is the leather issue and then Madamoiselle BM is getting married. Can't look porky in the pictures!!! point:
Thats all very well, but what about poor Barman?
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He will still look bald though noooo:
I imagine LL as a stick insect type.
scared:
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Baldy baldy fat bastard?
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Baldy baldy fat bastard?
Aren't stick insects . . . well. . . stick-shaped?
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Baldy baldy fat bastard?
Aren't stick insects . . . well. . . stick-shaped?
Banghead
Is LL bald? No.
Is BM bald? Yes.
Who do you think the baldy baldy fat bastard comment is directed at then?
Banghead
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I imagine she shaves a lot
= default hairy
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::)
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All women are hairy. I was in Boots this morning, there are whole rows devoted to shavers, creams, waxy things.
Let us celebrate their hairiness!
Or praps not rubschin:
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Is that to LL shaving a lot?
You being a baldy baldy fat bastard?
LL as stick insect?
Which? You can't just ::) without telling us who you are ::) at!
Honestly! ::)
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All women are hairy. I was in Boots this morning, there are whole rows devoted to shavers, creams, waxy things.
Let us celebrate their hairiness!
Or praps not rubschin:
I don't like to think about how much time, money, effort, pain I have gone through over the years in an attempt to dehair myself. sad24:
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What do you shave then?
Eh?
Everything bar your head I guess! evil:
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All women are hairy. I was in Boots this morning, there are whole rows devoted to shavers, creams, waxy things.
Let us celebrate their hairiness!
Or praps not rubschin:
I don't like to think about how much time, money, effort, pain I have gone through over the years in an attempt to dehair myself. sad24:
Buy a blowlamp
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Pretty much. sad24: Although it isn't all shaved. Some is waxed, some creamed, some plucked .....
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I imagine she shaves a lot
= default hairy
Precisely, a Gentleman would not discuss as to the amount of hair a lady did or did not sport.
As LL has lived in the Mediterranean for some years, she may have developed some characteristics of the local ladies.
For example a posterior like two goats in a bin liner, and a lush growth of dark hair on most exposed skin.
Or perhaps not. . .
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Plucking hurts.
I hear Mrs NIck doing it.
On her feet noooo:
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Ahhh she has hobbit feet too. noooo:
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I imagine she shaves a lot
= default hairy
Precisely, a Gentleman would not discuss as to the amount of hair a lady did or did not sport.
As LL has lived in the Mediterranean for some years, she may have developed some characteristics of the local ladies.
For example a posterior like two goats in a bin liner, and a lush growth of dark hair on most exposed skin.
Or perhaps not. . .
Underarms
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Is that to LL shaving a lot?
You being a baldy baldy fat bastard?
LL as stick insect?
Which? You can't just ::) without telling us who you are ::) at!
Honestly! ::)
I am not a slaphead... noooo:
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::)
Is that to LL shaving a lot?
You being a baldy baldy fat bastard?
LL as stick insect?
Which? You can't just ::) without telling us who you are ::) at!
Honestly! ::)
I am not a slaphead... noooo:
But, but you said you were! eeek:
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Wenchy is a slapbody, we hear eeek:
She should be naturally furry!
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::)
Is that to LL shaving a lot?
You being a baldy baldy fat bastard?
LL as stick insect?
Which? You can't just ::) without telling us who you are ::) at!
Honestly! ::)
I am not a slaphead... noooo:
But, but you said you were! eeek:
I think we need to see a picture.
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BEREK!
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::)
Is that to LL shaving a lot?
You being a baldy baldy fat bastard?
LL as stick insect?
Which? You can't just ::) without telling us who you are ::) at!
Honestly! ::)
I am not a slaphead... noooo:
But, but you said you were! eeek:
I think we need to see a picture.
Bu, but... you'd say it was me years ago... noooo:
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::)
Is that to LL shaving a lot?
You being a baldy baldy fat bastard?
LL as stick insect?
Which? You can't just ::) without telling us who you are ::) at!
Honestly! ::)
I am not a slaphead... noooo:
But, but you said you were! eeek:
I think we need to see a picture.
Bu, but... you'd say it was me years ago... noooo:
Well then take one of you standing next to the new bike, or holding a newspaper or something. ::)
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::)
Is that to LL shaving a lot?
You being a baldy baldy fat bastard?
LL as stick insect?
Which? You can't just ::) without telling us who you are ::) at!
Honestly! ::)
I am not a slaphead... noooo:
But, but you said you were! eeek:
I think we need to see a picture.
Bu, but... you'd say it was me years ago... noooo:
Well then take one of you standing next to the new bike, or holding a newspaper or something. ::)
In a strong wind, so we can see it isn't a rug either.
It may be easier just to get you head shaved and be done with it.
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Mirror mirror on the wall
Who is the hairiest of them all?
Wenchy
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sad24:
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Mirror mirror on the wall
Who is the hairiest of them all?
Wenchy
point:
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Mirror mirror on the wall
Who is the hairiest of them all?
Wenchy
point:
Where is your picture? evil:
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Mirror mirror on the wall
Who is the hairiest of them all?
Wenchy
point:
Where is your picture? evil:
Where is yours?????
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Mirror mirror on the wall
Who is the hairiest of them all?
Wenchy
point:
Where is your picture? evil:
Where is yours?????
I'm not wandering around saying I'm not bald so I don't need to prove anything! angel1
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Hairy! spider:
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Hairy! spider:
Wenchy is hairy! point:
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sad24:
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sad24:
The truth hurts... noooo:
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sad24:
The truth hurts... noooo:
So does brushing my hair in the morning. sad24:
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sad24:
The truth hurts... noooo:
So does brushing my hair in the morning. sad24:
Your roots need a look at in that photo. whistle:
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Good Grief!
Dinah McNicol and Vicky Hamilton must be spinning in their graves. ::)
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Who? Are they pin ups from the 1930s or something? Were they hirsute?
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eeek: eeek:
Is that because I pulled a funny or because I said something stupid? Because if it is the former then I have used up my joke quota for 2007.
latter.
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surrender:
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Who? Are they pin ups from the 1930s or something? Were they hirsute?
doh:
I expect it has even been on Childrens BBC news. noooo: