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Title: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Barman on December 17, 2007, 07:39:21 AM
Another week, another disaster...  noooo:

Quote from: BBc Web SWhite
Psychiatrists say a decision to close a unit which offers unique help to people with complex mental health problems will harm vulnerable patients.

The NHS trust which has ordered the closure says it made the decision "with great sadness".


Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7144686.stm)

Great sadness my arse!  cussing:

How long before a mental kills someone because of this closure?  Banghead
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Snoopy on December 17, 2007, 08:29:17 AM
 rubschin:  More to the point ~ where will we all go now?
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Barman on December 17, 2007, 08:30:40 AM
rubschin:  More to the point ~ where will we all go now?
In here I 'spec...  whistle:
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: tel on December 17, 2007, 10:52:17 AM
The Henderson is fairly near to me and the local papers are having a field day with this. There used to be other institutions nearby but these were knocked and prisons built. Wonder what the odds are that this land will also be sold.

Places like Cane Hill and Netherne have been sold off for development - none of that money has been used to build new facilities.
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Barman on December 17, 2007, 10:58:26 AM
The Henderson is fairly near to me and the local papers are having a field day with this. There used to be other institutions nearby but these were knocked and prisons built. Wonder what the odds are that this land will also be sold.

Places like Cane Hill and Netherne have been sold off for development - none of that money has been used to build new facilities.
The lady in charge of the place gave a good interview on R4 this morning – she said they did spend millions on new facilities… and then shut them down. (https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freesmileys.org%2Fsmileys%2Ftaunt001.gif&hash=de5cbaa1240a917fa2e9fd3ac968a58d4cf1b1b3) (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: tel on December 17, 2007, 11:03:13 AM
Unfortunately thay are shutting the psychiatric ward/unit (can't remember its name) at Sutton General (almost next door to the Henderson) - there will be no local facilities left at this rate.
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Nick on December 17, 2007, 11:06:54 AM
Tut tut BM. That emoticon!
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Barman on December 17, 2007, 11:13:04 AM
Tut tut BM. That emoticon!
Well, they are, aren't they?  redface:
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: tel on December 19, 2007, 01:33:24 PM
TMR - location of hospital

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=525586&y=162561&z=1&sv=525586,162561&st=4&ar=Y&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&dn=814&ax=525586&ay=162561
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Bar Wench on December 19, 2007, 01:35:00 PM
I used to live literally round the corner from the mental place!  eeek:
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Bar Wench on December 19, 2007, 01:36:15 PM
My house has been refered to as an asylum.  redface:
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Uncle Mort on December 19, 2007, 01:37:50 PM
Two hospitals on that map and arrow's missed both of them.
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: tel on December 19, 2007, 01:42:09 PM
I used to live literally round the corner from the mental place!  eeek:

I used to live near there as well, a bit further north towards Sutton, by Ventor Road.
Always remember the strange hospitals/institutions over the other side of Banstead Downs as well.
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Barman on December 19, 2007, 01:46:52 PM
I used to live literally round the corner from the mental place!  eeek:

I used to live near there as well, a bit further north towards Sutton, by Ventor Road.
Always remember the strange hospitals/institutions over the other side of Banstead Downs as well.
Rampton?
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: tel on December 19, 2007, 01:50:09 PM
I used to live literally round the corner from the mental place!  eeek:

I used to live near there as well, a bit further north towards Sutton, by Ventor Road.
Always remember the strange hospitals/institutions over the other side of Banstead Downs as well.
Rampton?

Never knew their names. Sometimes when we were on the Downs the police would come along and tell us to go home - someone had escaped.

Long gone now, prisons in thier place.
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Bar Wench on December 19, 2007, 02:00:58 PM
There used to be one round the back of Epsom years ago too. An escaped loon ended up in my Mum's garden when she was little.
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Nick on December 19, 2007, 02:01:44 PM
Your Dad?
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Bar Wench on December 19, 2007, 02:02:10 PM
 point:

I'll have to tell my Mum that one!
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Snoopy on December 19, 2007, 02:14:59 PM
It would explain a lot. rubschin:
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: tel on December 19, 2007, 02:38:33 PM
Found this - 2500 inmates?

http://www.bansteadhistory.com/places_az.html
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: The Moan Ranger on December 19, 2007, 03:07:25 PM
I used to live literally round the corner from the mental place!  eeek:

I used to live near there as well, a bit further north towards Sutton, by Ventor Road.
Always remember the strange hospitals/institutions over the other side of Banstead Downs as well.

They were known generally as "Banstead Loony Bin". I was it very often - my mum used to work there in the admissions department.

Most of the patients were of the "pleasantly confused" variety with only a handful ever of the more violent type.
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Snoopy on December 19, 2007, 03:13:49 PM
I used to live literally round the corner from the mental place!  eeek:

I used to live near there as well, a bit further north towards Sutton, by Ventor Road.
Always remember the strange hospitals/institutions over the other side of Banstead Downs as well.

They were known generally as "Banstead Loony Bin". I was it very often - my mum used to work there in the admissions department.

Most of the patients were of the "pleasantly confused" variety with only a handful ever of the more violent type.


Really? That must have been fun.  point:
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: tel on December 19, 2007, 03:14:56 PM
http://www.countyasylums.com/mentalasylums/banstead01.htm
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: tel on December 19, 2007, 03:17:05 PM
And for Wench

http://www.countyasylums.com/mentalasylums/horton01.htm
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: The Moan Ranger on December 19, 2007, 06:07:31 PM
At the time, we had a pet dog - a Beagle. He only had one 'nad. Careful, Snoops, I'm sure the same could be arranged for you (insert evil smiley)
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Snoopy on December 19, 2007, 06:10:45 PM
At the time, we had a pet dog - a Beagle. He only had one 'nad. Careful, Snoops, I'm sure the same could be arranged for you (insert evil smiley)

You'll have to get Mrs S#1 to give them back first.  whistle:
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Nick on December 19, 2007, 07:04:14 PM
I still love Mrs NIck #1 cry:
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Uncle Mort on December 20, 2007, 08:43:33 AM
I still love Mrs NIck #1 cry:

 eeek:
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Darwins Selection on December 20, 2007, 09:29:55 AM
I still love Mrs NIck #1 cry:

 eeek:
He probably digs her up every year on their anniversary.

No wonder the patio is so uneven.
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Nick on December 20, 2007, 09:33:09 AM
She went off and married a farmer! noooo:
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Darwins Selection on December 20, 2007, 09:34:04 AM
She went off and married a farmer! noooo:

Ten years under the patio and anybody would go off.
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Snoopy on December 20, 2007, 10:51:50 AM
Having been in love with Mrs S#1 I have to admit that I still am. I don't think that one can ever stop being in love BUT many who think they are in love and then profess loathing etc when it all goes wrong were probably infatuated or simply in love with the idea of being in love  ~ neither of which is a good basis for marriage. We are, however, capable of loving more than once in a lifetime ...... fortunately.
What I have also discovered is that one can live equally well without love as with it.








I shall leave you to consider the Snoopy philosophy of relationships.
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Snoopy on December 20, 2007, 10:56:19 AM
Returing to topic I see today that the Women's Institute is putting its not inconsiderable lobbying weight behind a campaign to bring back "Asylums" for the mentally illl. They say "Don't build new prisons, build new secure asylums and transfer the mentally ill from prison to where they may get help" I have to say they are right. Look at the figures ~ Prison is now the default option for those with uncontrolled mental problems and that is wrong. The WI solution would, of course, solve the prison over-crowding issue as well.
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Darwins Selection on December 20, 2007, 11:06:29 AM
Returing to topic I see today that the Women's Institute is putting its not inconsiderable lobbying weight behind a campaign to bring back "Asylums" for the mentally illl. They say "Don't build new prisons, build new secure asylums and transfer the mentally ill from prison to where they may get help" I have to say they are right. Look at the figures ~ Prison is now the default option for those with uncontrolled mental problems and that is wrong. The WI solution would, of course, solve the prison over-crowding issue as well.

Yes, "Wormwood Scrubs home for the bewildered" sounds much nicer.
Title: Re: Key mental health unit to close
Post by: Snoopy on December 20, 2007, 11:12:08 AM
 doh: