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Come Inside... => Saloon Bar => Topic started by: The Moan Ranger on January 10, 2008, 03:29:41 PM
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Over the last three nights, this look into the pros and (mainly) cons of free range vs. battery chicken farming has been aired on Channel 4, with Hugh Fearnley-Wotsit at the helm.
It has provoked quite a debate - not only in my office but also in other places, including the other place.
I'll start the ball rolling...
Quote by someone else:
I can just imaging the outcry if the price of meat suddenly went up 3 or 4 fold, which is the reality if we wanted to achieve the idealistic farming methods some of you lot are carping about.
Response:
Is this really such a bad thing? Those of us who can afford it through have a decent income ~ either through a decent education and job, or by sheer hard graft ~ will continue to enjoy it. We have earned the money and it is our choice.
The feckless, velour track-suited wastrels reliant on government handouts (sorry, my taxes) will therefore have to make a choice; do I spend my money on another packet of Lambert & Butler (about the same price as a free range chicken) or do I wish to enjoy a nice bit of chicken? If I choose the snouts, can I live on cheap pasta and sauces? Or should I think about eating more vegetables? And if the price of meat goes up, how much will a McDonalds meal go up to? And KFC?
Hopefully. the price of proper meat will eventually become prohibitive and they will be forced to eat solely vegetables and pulses. In the majority of cases, this can only be a good thing.
I have yet to see a scrawny benefit-hound. The reason they buy two chickens for a fiver is purely that it allows them to shovel more food down their fat gobs. They care not for taste or quality and it leaves extra cash for crisps, a bit of blow and some cans of Kestrel Super.
Custards. All of them.
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I think the fat tongued c*nt is a hyporite for slagging Sainsburys off because of their chicken yet advertising their farmed Salmon and lining his pockets with their cash
try something different today...shop elsewhere
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Nothing to debate IMO.
Either you want to buy chicken that tastes of something or you don't.
HFW, J Oliver & co all enjoy £1m plus incomes (not capital note but Incomes) per annum all earned by keeping their names in the headlines SO I take no notice of their carping but neither do I approve of some obviously cruel methods of farming.
You want free range chooks ~ get an allotment.
You wanna buy from Tesco ~ you have the choice.
Having been forced to take retirement at the age of 50 I do depend to some degree on benefits and I fvcking object to people assuming that I wear velour, am overweight, lazy and scrounging. I hope that none of those who do make these sweeping generalisations are never handicapped as I have been but if any of you are please forgive me if I laugh, loud and long as you struggle, without option, to survive.
I am now going off in a huff
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Nothing to debate IMO.
Either you want to buy chicken that tastes of something or you don't.
HFW, J Oliver & co all enjoy Ł1m plus incomes (not capital note but Incomes) per annum all earned by keeping their names in the headlines SO I take no notice of their carping but neither do I approve of some obviously cruel methods of farming.
You want free range chooks ~ get an allotment.
You wanna buy from Tesco ~ you have the choice.
Having been forced to take retirement at the age of 50 I do depend to some degree on benefits and I fvcking object to people assuming that I wear velour, am overweight, lazy and scrounging. I hope that none of those who do make these sweeping generalisations are never handicapped as I have been but if any of you are please forgive me if I laugh, loud and long as you struggle, without option, to survive.
I am now going off in a huff
Calm down Beagle, it is apparent to all of us that you did not choose to retire and that it was forced on you. None of us would have any beef with that. The generalisation was aimed more towards the vast herds who have never even wanted to work in the first instance. surrender:
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Nothing to debate IMO.
Either you want to buy chicken that tastes of something or you don't.
HFW, J Oliver & co all enjoy Ł1m plus incomes (not capital note but Incomes) per annum all earned by keeping their names in the headlines SO I take no notice of their carping but neither do I approve of some obviously cruel methods of farming.
You want free range chooks ~ get an allotment.
You wanna buy from Tesco ~ you have the choice.
Having been forced to take retirement at the age of 50 I do depend to some degree on benefits and I fvcking object to people assuming that I wear velour, am overweight, lazy and scrounging. I hope that none of those who do make these sweeping generalisations are never handicapped as I have been but if any of you are please forgive me if I laugh, loud and long as you struggle, without option, to survive.
I am now going off in a huff
Calm down Beagle, it is apparent to all of us that you did not choose to retire and that it was forced on you. None of us would have any beef with that. The generalisation was aimed more towards the vast herds who have never even wanted to work in the first instance. surrender:
All right you smooth talking swine ~ I'll come back ....... I wasn't having a go at you but the generalisations so beloved of some.
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Which is all fine assuming you can afford the more expensive free range chicken. Some actually can't. Now I can afford to and I do and one goes for roast chicken, some sort of leftover meal and soup and stock. However, there have been times that I haven't been able to afford them and I've bought the 2 for a fiver and turned a blind eye to the practices.
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Ever tried chicken with chocolate sauce?
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Ever tried chicken with chocolate sauce?
No thanks,
what kind of stomach you have
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Yes quite tasty.
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It's a real recipe!!
http://www.sofeminine.co.uk/w/recipe/r158/chicken-in-chocolate-sauce.html (http://www.sofeminine.co.uk/w/recipe/r158/chicken-in-chocolate-sauce.html)
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Yes quite tasty.
Did you actually include the chicken?
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No. redface:
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i am very glad , i am learning new things from you .i am enjoying the forum.
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Which is all fine assuming you can afford the more expensive free range chicken. Some actually can't. Now I can afford to and I do and one goes for roast chicken, some sort of leftover meal and soup and stock. However, there have been times that I haven't been able to afford them and I've bought the 2 for a fiver and turned a blind eye to the practices.
Wenchy - knowing you are a Surrey girl and therefore entirely honest, would the times you couldn't have afforded free range also be the times you were smoking? rubschin:
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Which is all fine assuming you can afford the more expensive free range chicken. Some actually can't. Now I can afford to and I do and one goes for roast chicken, some sort of leftover meal and soup and stock. However, there have been times that I haven't been able to afford them and I've bought the 2 for a fiver and turned a blind eye to the practices.
Wenchy - knowing you are a Surrey girl and therefore entirely honest, would the times you couldn't have afforded free range also be the times you were smoking? rubschin:
Nope. I'd given up because I couldn't afford it. It was a bare bones existence for a couple of years.
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Which is all fine assuming you can afford the more expensive free range chicken. Some actually can't. Now I can afford to and I do and one goes for roast chicken, some sort of leftover meal and soup and stock. However, there have been times that I haven't been able to afford them and I've bought the 2 for a fiver and turned a blind eye to the practices.
Wenchy - knowing you are a Surrey girl and therefore entirely honest, would the times you couldn't have afforded free range also be the times you were smoking? rubschin:
Nope. I'd given up because I couldn't afford it. It was a bare bones existence for a couple of years.
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i am glad that u gave up
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Which is all fine assuming you can afford the more expensive free range chicken. Some actually can't. Now I can afford to and I do and one goes for roast chicken, some sort of leftover meal and soup and stock. However, there have been times that I haven't been able to afford them and I've bought the 2 for a fiver and turned a blind eye to the practices.
Wenchy - knowing you are a Surrey girl and therefore entirely honest, would the times you couldn't have afforded free range also be the times you were smoking? rubschin:
Nope. I'd given up because I couldn't afford it. It was a bare bones existence for a couple of years.
Tough times then. If I had know, I would have let you borrow my tackle eyes: and you could have feasted on the finest Wandle Trout at no cost...
It reminds me of the times I couldn't afford the Foie Gras and the white veal.... sad24:
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Where on earth does one purchase veal anyway?
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I know a nice butcher whistle:
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Where on earth does one purchase veal anyway?
Doen't that nice old-fashioned butcher in Cheam village still do it. Am sure you could order it anyway.
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Next time the Wechy wants to marinade her breasts I suggest Coca Cola, very tasty, and some lime leaves too.
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Where on earth does one purchase veal anyway?
Doen't that nice old-fashioned butcher in Cheam village still do it. Am sure you could order it anyway.
Ohhhh good point I forgot about him. Penhaligons?
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Where on earth does one purchase veal anyway?
Doen't that nice old-fashioned butcher in Cheam village still do it. Am sure you could order it anyway.
Ohhhh good point I forgot about him. Penhaligons?
It won't be "white" in the UK but try
http://www.alternativemeats.co.uk/asp/product.asp?recorprod=&product=106&cat=&ph=&keywords=&recor=&SearchFor=&PT_ID=
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Thank-you cloud9:
Other thing was chicken liver. When did the supermarket stop selling that? I was looking for some last weekend and couldn't find any. Admitedly didn't try the butchers.
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Where on earth does one purchase veal anyway?
Doen't that nice old-fashioned butcher in Cheam village still do it. Am sure you could order it anyway.
Ohhhh good point I forgot about him. Penhaligons?
Never known the name. Just know it as a bloody good butchers. ;D
Mind you, have got Wallington farmers market tomorrow, need some extra large eggs!
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Thank-you cloud9:
Other thing was chicken liver. When did the supermarket stop selling that? I was looking for some last weekend and couldn't find any. Admitedly didn't try the butchers.
Again Lil Bruvver supplies us. ::) Sorry.
Used to get them from a Kosher butcher in Gants Hill ~ but that's probably a long drive to spend 50pence ... have you tried Tesco? Usually frozen mind but they still work well in most dishes.
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Where on earth does one purchase veal anyway?
Doen't that nice old-fashioned butcher in Cheam village still do it. Am sure you could order it anyway.
Ohhhh good point I forgot about him. Penhaligons?
Never known the name. Just know it as a bloody good butchers. ;D
Mind you, have got Wallington farmers market tomorrow, need some extra large eggs!
Bugger! Mr Wench is sodding off to Wales! How close to the station is it?
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Thank-you cloud9:
Other thing was chicken liver. When did the supermarket stop selling that? I was looking for some last weekend and couldn't find any. Admitedly didn't try the butchers.
Mrs. Barman got about a million tonnes of it from our local butcher over Xmas and made awesome pâté cloud9:
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Where on earth does one purchase veal anyway?
Doen't that nice old-fashioned butcher in Cheam village still do it. Am sure you could order it anyway.
Ohhhh good point I forgot about him. Penhaligons?
Never known the name. Just know it as a bloody good butchers. ;D
Mind you, have got Wallington farmers market tomorrow, need some extra large eggs!
Bugger! Mr Wench is sodding off to Wales! How close to the station is it?
No more than 5 mins, although uphill. Bus takes you there as well.
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Where on earth does one purchase veal anyway?
Doen't that nice old-fashioned butcher in Cheam village still do it. Am sure you could order it anyway.
Yes, but that's the namby-pamby English rosé stuff, not the nice white French stuff, where the calves have been penned in tiny wooden crates, unable to move and only fed on milk - tastes far better as the crates give a nice oakey taste and calves tears keep the meat nice and tender * 8)
* with thanks to Barry Beelzebub
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Thank-you cloud9:
Other thing was chicken liver. When did the supermarket stop selling that? I was looking for some last weekend and couldn't find any. Admitedly didn't try the butchers.
Mrs. Barman got about a million tonnes of it from our local butcher over Xmas and made awesome pâté cloud9:
That's what I wanted it for!
Hmmmm, so does the bus go up the hill?
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Thank-you cloud9:
Other thing was chicken liver. When did the supermarket stop selling that? I was looking for some last weekend and couldn't find any. Admitedly didn't try the butchers.
Mrs. Barman got about a million tonnes of it from our local butcher over Xmas and made awesome pâté cloud9:
That's what I wanted it for!
Hmmmm, so does the bus go up the hill?
The wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round… whistle:
You have been ear-wormed.
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Never going to happen!
But I would walk 500 miles
And I would walk 500 more
Just to be the man who walked 1000 miles
To fall down at your door
La la la la
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Thank-you cloud9:
Other thing was chicken liver. When did the supermarket stop selling that? I was looking for some last weekend and couldn't find any. Admitedly didn't try the butchers.
Mrs. Barman got about a million tonnes of it from our local butcher over Xmas and made awesome pâté cloud9:
That's what I wanted it for!
Hmmmm, so does the bus go up the hill?
Yes, reduces it to a less than 1 minute walk. Get off bus, walk through library car park, there you have it.
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Excellent!
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Do you not know the area very well - it's only a few miles away?
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No. redface: I have a very small sphere of knowledge. Basically because we didn't drive and so a lot of places were too much hassle to get to. Plus I'm very much a homebody. I don't really like crowds or people. redface:
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No. redface: I have a very small sphere of knowledge. Basically because we didn't drive and so a lot of places were too much hassle to get to. Plus I'm very much a homebody. I don't really like crowds or people. redface:
Plus you can't see past the end of your nose! point:
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sad24:
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No. redface: I have a very small sphere of knowledge. Basically because we didn't drive and so a lot of places were too much hassle to get to. Plus I'm very much a homebody. I don't really like crowds or people. redface:
It's not exactly the next county!
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No I know but when you don't like people/crowds and you have to get there using public transport and get there early. Well. redface:
There is no excuse. I'm lazy. That is pretty much what it comes down to. redface:
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sad24:
You'll be fine young lass - just watch out for low flying Yodaspawn...
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eeek:
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eeek:
You didn't look at the caption competition I posted in the Snug then, obviously. Pay attention young lady!
Anyhooooooooooo....must off. Man Whore has finally got his divorce through and will be drinking a "few" tonight...coukld be very messy.
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It's been a few years since I did that in Wallington.
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I've never done anything in Wallington.
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eeek:
You didn't look at the caption competition I posted in the Snug then, obviously. Pay attention young lady!
Anyhooooooooooo....must off. Man Whore has finally got his divorce through and will be drinking a "few" tonight...coukld be very messy.
Ooh dear, could be a messy weekend. I will catch up with yous later.
Lotsa of drama in the office right now, someone's just been escorted out. Stupid people let him leave with his laptop - my boss is going ballistic.
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OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Why? I love an incident!
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I've never done anything in Wallington.
No comment (for now anyway)
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OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Why? I love an incident!
Long story - don't have all the details at the moment, but it is something that has been brewing for a while and has now erupted.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I MUST KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
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I guess you will have to wait till Monday. I have just had a splendid telephone argument with someone cloud9:
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Do tell!
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No eveilgrin:
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Bastardos all! angry041:
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It's been a few years since I did that in Wallington.
Back in the days of drinking Special, eh? That figures, mad stuff...
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Bastardos all! angry041:
Aren't we all.
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Over the last three nights, this look into the pros and (mainly) cons of free range vs. battery chicken farming has been aired on Channel 4, with Hugh Fearnley-Wotsit at the helm.
It has provoked quite a debate - not only in my office but also in other places, including the other place.
I'll start the ball rolling...
Quote by someone else:
I can just imaging the outcry if the price of meat suddenly went up 3 or 4 fold, which is the reality if we wanted to achieve the idealistic farming methods some of you lot are carping about.
Response:
Is this really such a bad thing? Those of us who can afford it through have a decent income ~ either through a decent education and job, or by sheer hard graft ~ will continue to enjoy it. We have earned the money and it is our choice.
The feckless, velour track-suited wastrels reliant on government handouts (sorry, my taxes) will therefore have to make a choice; do I spend my money on another packet of Lambert & Butler (about the same price as a free range chicken) or do I wish to enjoy a nice bit of chicken? If I choose the snouts, can I live on cheap pasta and sauces? Or should I think about eating more vegetables? And if the price of meat goes up, how much will a McDonalds meal go up to? And KFC?
Hopefully. the price of proper meat will eventually become prohibitive and they will be forced to eat solely vegetables and pulses. In the majority of cases, this can only be a good thing.
I have yet to see a scrawny benefit-hound. The reason they buy two chickens for a fiver is purely that it allows them to shovel more food down their fat gobs. They care not for taste or quality and it leaves extra cash for crisps, a bit of blow and some cans of Kestrel Super.
Custards. All of them.
Hopefully. the price of proper meat will eventually become prohibitive and they will be forced to eat solely vegetables and pulses. In the majority of cases, this can only be a good thing.
And the old on state pensions?
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theres nobody here but us chickens
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Over the last three nights, this look into the pros and (mainly) cons of free range vs. battery chicken farming has been aired on Channel 4, with Hugh Fearnley-Wotsit at the helm.
It has provoked quite a debate - not only in my office but also in other places, including the other place.
I'll start the ball rolling...
Quote by someone else:
I can just imaging the outcry if the price of meat suddenly went up 3 or 4 fold, which is the reality if we wanted to achieve the idealistic farming methods some of you lot are carping about.
Response:
Is this really such a bad thing? Those of us who can afford it through have a decent income ~ either through a decent education and job, or by sheer hard graft ~ will continue to enjoy it. We have earned the money and it is our choice.
The feckless, velour track-suited wastrels reliant on government handouts (sorry, my taxes) will therefore have to make a choice; do I spend my money on another packet of Lambert & Butler (about the same price as a free range chicken) or do I wish to enjoy a nice bit of chicken? If I choose the snouts, can I live on cheap pasta and sauces? Or should I think about eating more vegetables? And if the price of meat goes up, how much will a McDonalds meal go up to? And KFC?
Hopefully. the price of proper meat will eventually become prohibitive and they will be forced to eat solely vegetables and pulses. In the majority of cases, this can only be a good thing.
I have yet to see a scrawny benefit-hound. The reason they buy two chickens for a fiver is purely that it allows them to shovel more food down their fat gobs. They care not for taste or quality and it leaves extra cash for crisps, a bit of blow and some cans of Kestrel Super.
Custards. All of them.
Hopefully. the price of proper meat will eventually become prohibitive and they will be forced to eat solely vegetables and pulses. In the majority of cases, this can only be a good thing.
And the old on state pensions?
Let us eat cake. cloud9:
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The state pension is a joke anyway - it breaks my heart to see the blue-rinses buying the near sell-by date reduced stuff - but that's a different moan.
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Battery methods have one aim.
Lower costs, higher yield and maximum profit.
This cruel food uses growth hormones, antibiotics, and artificial daylight.
The intensive production methods deny space, rest, exercise and a stress free death.
Habitual consumers risk their health with the regular consumption of this poultry meat which may contain a residue of unhealthy chemicals, adrenalin and excessive fat.
Miserable lives and deaths of living creatures makes them unfit for human consumption!
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whats up ? is it quiet at the other place ?
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whats up ? is it quiet at the other place ?
He got lost prolly... bad eyesight and all that... looking for the toilets I 'spec... whistle:
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Hi Barman
Talking of chickens and hens etc Why are eggs shells so hard in Cyprus ? I joke not. In England, a gentle tap and they break. The ones I bought in your village - I had to give them all a good wollop ...
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Hi Barman
Talking of chickens and hens etc Why are eggs shells so hard in Cyprus ? I joke not. In England, a gentle tap and they break. The ones I bought in your village - I had to give them all a good wollop ...
Free range...
... plus with all the building work about they peck up significant ammounts of cement with their feed... whistle:
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That figures ... Also, the chicken legs are so much bigger, aren't they?
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That figures ... Also, the chicken legs are so much bigger, aren't they?
They get more exercise as they have to continually pull their feet out of setting concrete… whistle:
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That figures ... Also, the chicken legs are so much bigger, aren't they?
They get more exercise as they have to continually pull their feet out of setting concrete… whistle:
I thought that was Sicily?
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That figures ... Also, the chicken legs are so much bigger, aren't they?
They get more exercise as they have to continually pull their feet out of setting concrete… whistle:
I thought that was Sicily?
whistle:
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No, it's Cyprus - very tasty chickens. Freerange chicken have received some bed press lately to say that all that free gadding about can cause toughening of the sinews and muscle, resulting in them not tasting so tender when we go to eat them. The chickens in Cyprus are very tender as they are getting exactly the right amount of controlled excercise by continually having to pull their feet of setting concete. More is less, if you follow ...
My niece bought an heirloom chicken this year for thanksgiving. You pay for it in advance and can watch it gad about on a web cam and see it fed too. All the rage in the US ... Not sure I could eat it though as would it not become a bit of pet ...
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Well I bought a free range chicken. It did for roast, pie, soup and now stock. I was impressed. It was tasty and far less watery crap came out of it when I was cooking it.
I am a convert. If the chicken is happy too well then so be it.
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DS will be upset noooo:
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No, it's Cyprus - very tasty chickens. Freerange chicken have received some bed press lately to say that all that free gadding about can cause toughening of the sinews and muscle, resulting in them not tasting so tender when we go to eat them. The chickens in Cyprus are very tender as they are getting exactly the right amount of controlled excercise by continually having to pull their feet of setting concete. More is less, if you follow ...
My niece bought an heirloom chicken this year for thanksgiving. You pay for it in advance and can watch it gad about on a web cam and see it fed too. All the rage in the US ... Not sure I could eat it though as would it not become a bit of pet ...
Can you watch the axe fall? whistle:
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Anyway, how do you know that the chicken that arrives in the post is the same one you saw on screen?
Eh?
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Anyway, how do you know that the chicken that arrives in the post is the same one you saw on screen?
Eh?
They tattoo your name on its chest… ::)
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And if you are Sri Lankan?
Eh?
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And if you are Sri Lankan?
Eh?
They tattoo it in Sri Lankan... ::)
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why did the chicken cross the road ?
to shelter from the rain, it was fowl
;) ;)
eh ? eh ?
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why did the chicken cross the road ?
to shelter from the rain, it was fowl
;) ;)
eh ? eh ?
happy100
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BM - No, they don't advertise the facility of allowing one to watch the axe come down. The advertising seems to be more idealistic than realistic ...
Nick - You've set me wondering now if it is the same one that arrives in the post. Reality often spoils the dream! No, no, I am sure there is some identification placed on one's chosen bird (?) Will check it out with my niece!
This reminds me of years ago when Mr DWW was in Korea and came back with shoes that were specially made for his feet. The shoemaker said it was a rush to get them made in time but arranged for the shoes to be ready for him to collect on the way to the airport and when he arrived at the shop, they were all boxed up securely for him to take on the flight. He was later disappointed to find they were a size too small ...
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Quite so. They have one happy chicken on the webcam. You get the unhappy one! Mind you, I buy free range chicken and eggs. How do I know?