Post by: Barman on April 28, 2008, 10:18:36 AM
Post by: Nick on April 28, 2008, 10:23:40 AM
Post by: Snoopy on April 28, 2008, 10:24:03 AM
Post by: Barman on April 28, 2008, 10:42:21 AM
Post by: Snoopy on April 28, 2008, 10:43:52 AM
Post by: Barman on April 28, 2008, 10:44:20 AM
If it would make any difference so might I but it won't ~ so my tenner stays where it is.Can't join from here anyway... Banghead
Post by: Nick on April 28, 2008, 10:48:53 AM
I might join... redface:
But you are semi-foreign!
Post by: Snoopy on April 28, 2008, 10:52:14 AM
I might join... redface:
But you are semi-foreign!
demi-foreign at least
Post by: Barman on April 28, 2008, 10:59:27 AM
And...? shrugs:I might join... redface:
But you are semi-foreign!
Post by: Nick on April 28, 2008, 11:04:01 AM
Post by: Barman on April 28, 2008, 11:04:38 AM
I don't imagine they are looking for overseas members ::)Why? rubschin:
Post by: Snoopy on April 28, 2008, 11:07:33 AM
Post by: Barman on April 28, 2008, 11:08:37 AM
Because they want to keep the UK for the Brits! Bangheadhappy001
Post by: Nick on April 28, 2008, 11:08:56 AM
I don't imagine they are looking for overseas members ::)Why? rubschin:
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Constitutional Overview
"And I do declare that no foreign prince, person, prelate, baldy, state or potentate hath or ought to have any jurisdiction, power, superiority, pre-eminence or authority, ecclesiastical or spiritual, within this realm. So help me God." —
Post by: Barman on April 28, 2008, 11:10:39 AM
You changed that didn't you...? rubschin:I don't imagine they are looking for overseas members ::)Why? rubschin:QuoteConstitutional Overview
"And I do declare that no foreign prince, person, prelate, baldy, state or potentate hath or ought to have any jurisdiction, power, superiority, pre-eminence or authority, ecclesiastical or spiritual, within this realm. So help me God." —
Post by: Snoopy on April 28, 2008, 11:17:06 AM
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9.1 The Judicial Committee shall be composed of five Party members elected at each AGM,
and any three members shall constitute a quorum. No member of the NCC may be a member of
the Judicial Committee. The members of the Judicial Committee shall select the Chair of the
Judicial Committee. The Judicial Committee shall take office immediately upon the close of the
AGM at which elected and shall serve until the final adjournment of the next AGM.
9.2 The subject matter jurisdiction of the Judicial Committee is limited to consideration of only
those matters expressly identified as follows:
(a) suspension and termination of members;
(b) suspension and termination of affiliate organisations;
(c) suspension and termination of Party officers;
(d) suspension and termination of NCC members-at-large.
9.3 Within 90 days following the AGM at which elected, the Judicial Committee shall establish
Rules of Appellate Procedure to govern its consideration of matters within the scope of its
jurisdiction. The existing rules shall remain in effect until and unless the Judicial Committee
submits new proposed rules to the NCC for approval, which approval shall be deemed given
unless denied by a two thirds vote of the NCC within 60 days of submission. A copy of the
current Rules of Appellate Procedure shall be maintained by the Secretary at the Party
headquarters and shall be available to any member at cost.
Post by: Snoopy on April 28, 2008, 11:21:47 AM
The Leader:
(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flpuk.org%2Fmedia%2Fparty-admin%2Fncc-photos%2Fpatrick-vessey.jpg&hash=531cdfc393966fd2fbd2b34ba858884dae664039)
The Chairman:
(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flpuk.org%2Fmedia%2Fparty-admin%2Fncc-photos%2Fandrew-withers.jpg&hash=0b0b99a6d45589f0067950703c3a699ddbd38cdf)
The Head of Policy:
(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flpuk.org%2Fmedia%2Fparty-admin%2Fncc-photos%2Ftim-carpenter.jpg&hash=6f3943d35e5e931bf4aefc426c9a00574e5e83cd)
It's the bloody baldy party! point:
Post by: Barman on April 28, 2008, 11:22:48 AM
Post by: Snoopy on April 28, 2008, 11:24:20 AM
Post by: Barman on April 28, 2008, 11:27:28 AM
Well go on ~ You tell me the last time the UK voted for a bald PM or the Yanks voted for a bald president.(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.4to40.com%2Fimages%2Flegends%2Fwinstonchurchill%2Fwinston_churchill.jpg&hash=0f6f3f524c640468260f8f00dfca1de2103d2deb)
whistle:
Post by: Snoopy on April 28, 2008, 11:33:54 AM
(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.urbanimage.tv%2Fthumbnails%2Fneil_kinnock_ab_n.jpg&hash=7f8e546c3c0e5ce132ecfb251fd91e8568a947d9) (https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.probertencyclopaedia.com%2Fj%2FAlexander%2520Douglas-Home.jpg&hash=9de779902afee78fbc19fd3171679a947cdb1a1a)
(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fsouthyorkshire%2Fi_love_sy%2Fyorkshire_greats%2Fimages%2Fwilliam_hague400.jpg&hash=42bb37eb09c6e97d07a66f6d14c6d32bca5efd85)
and even Winston had hair when he was First Sea Lord ~ (https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.manorhouse.clara.net%2Fbook2%2Fwsc.jpg&hash=b2a9bf08d77b176ac572a9372d50418b48a7257f)
Post by: Grumpmeister on April 28, 2008, 11:34:23 AM
doh:
I see Baldymort is trying to knock his remaining strand of hair loose so that he can join the party.... whistle:
Post by: Nick on April 28, 2008, 03:19:14 PM
Post by: Snoopy on April 28, 2008, 03:21:53 PM
Post by: Grumpmeister on April 28, 2008, 04:47:02 PM
The Leader looks like an axe-murderer!
As opposed to our current leader who looks like a washed up slack jawed confidence trickster.
Post by: grumpyoldsoldier on April 28, 2008, 07:38:44 PM
Post by: Barman on April 28, 2008, 07:39:50 PM
Post by: Snoopy on April 28, 2008, 07:47:54 PM
No tax tho... whistle:
And God didn't make the little green apples
An' it don't rain in Minneapolis ........
Post by: Barman on April 28, 2008, 08:14:16 PM
They just e-mailed me... cloud9:No tax tho... whistle:
And God didn't make the little green apples
An' it don't rain in Minneapolis ........
Post by: Snoopy on April 28, 2008, 08:15:45 PM
I've fallen out with our County Council Labour Candidate tonight.
Post by: Barman on April 28, 2008, 08:16:58 PM
Starting an overseas branch are they?whistle:
Post by: Snoopy on April 28, 2008, 08:19:12 PM
Post by: Barman on April 28, 2008, 08:20:25 PM
You realise it's things like this that got Bonny Prince Charlie into so much bother don't you?We can't do any worse than bonny prince brown... noooo:
Post by: Snoopy on April 28, 2008, 08:23:11 PM
Post by: Barman on April 28, 2008, 08:25:12 PM
So it's we now is it? You've joined haven't you? point:redface:
No, can't join 'til they fix the site next week... whistle:
Post by: Snoopy on April 28, 2008, 08:26:27 PM
Are political donations tax allowable over there?
Post by: Barman on April 28, 2008, 08:27:40 PM
Oh well ~ it's only a tenner I s'pose.shrugs:
Are political donations tax allowable over there?
Post by: Nick on April 29, 2008, 06:47:41 AM
Post by: Barman on April 29, 2008, 06:55:47 AM
Full details required eveilgrin:Of? rubschin:
Post by: Nick on April 29, 2008, 07:44:39 AM
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I've fallen out with our County Council Labour Candidate tonight.
Post by: Barman on April 29, 2008, 07:46:15 AM
THisOh...QuoteI've fallen out with our County Council Labour Candidate tonight.
Post by: Snoopy on April 29, 2008, 08:53:33 AM
I then moved onto his proposals for dealing with traffic congestion in the centre of the village and asked with whom he had discussed these as they seemed to me to be likely to have a detrimental effect on local shops and businesses. He told me he had consulted with local businesses. It was then that I informed him that I am Chairman of the Local Business Association, that all the businesses on the High Street are members and that he had not discussed it with me and that the owners of the businesses had been calling me concerned at his "promises".
Then I asked him about his printed statement that the local Post Office is due for closure and that he will prevent this. Let him waffle for five minutes and sweetly informed him that (i) The local Post Office is not scheduled for closure and in fact no Post Offices in Wales have been so scheduled because the list of proposed closures is not due out until June and that, as a member of PostWatch Wales Steering Group (Northern Area) I was one of those being consulted by the Royal Mail about the forthcoming list and that our village was not on it.
I went onto suggest that before composing election leaflets he should perhaps talk to local people (he lives some way from here and has been brought in by the party) he huffed and puffed a lot and claimed that he had spoken with "party members" so I then named three of them and told him they clearly knew f*** all. He hung up!
Today I am reporting the Lib Dem Candidate to the Returning Officer for spending more than the permitted sum on his campaign so that should see him off too. eveilgrin:
Post by: Barman on April 29, 2008, 09:06:57 AM
Well ~ It is a given that the man was going to be an arse from his choice of political party but he put (or caused to be put) a leaflet through my door yesterday that was so full of inaccuracies and outright lies that I felt obliged to 'phone and tell him. I asked what were the facilities he was promising to ensure were made available for the "young people of the village" and he replied "They need a play ground". I was forced to point out that I had spent the last 4 years as the Secretary of the fund raising group that had secured funding in excess of now £150K to create a childrens playground, skate board arena and ramps plus an all weather ball five aside football arena and that the last phase (the installation of floodlighting for the pitch) had been completed two weeks ago ~ he got a bit huffy.happ096
I then moved onto his proposals for dealing with traffic congestion in the centre of the village and asked with whom he had discussed these as they seemed to me to be likely to have a detrimental effect on local shops and businesses. He told me he had consulted with local businesses. It was then that I informed him that I am Chairman of the Local Business Association, that all the businesses on the High Street are members and that he had not discussed it with me and that the owners of the businesses had been calling me concerned at his "promises".
Then I asked him about his printed statement that the local Post Office is due for closure and that he will prevent this. Let him waffle for five minutes and sweetly informed him that (i) The local Post Office is not scheduled for closure and in fact no Post Offices in Wales have been so scheduled because the list of proposed closures is not due out until June and that, as a member of PostWatch Wales Steering Group (Northern Area) I was one of those being consulted by the Royal Mail about the forthcoming list and that our village was not on it.
I went onto suggest that before composing election leaflets he should perhaps talk to local people (he lives some way from here and has been brought in by the party) he huffed and puffed a lot and claimed that he had spoken with "party members" so I then named three of them and told him they clearly knew f*** all. He hung up!
Today I am reporting the Lib Dem Candidate to the Returning Officer for spending more than the permitted sum on his campaign so that should see him off too. eveilgrin:
Good
Post by: Uncle Mort on April 29, 2008, 09:11:00 AM
I've always assumed an election flyer contains untruths. Now it's confirmed.
Post by: Barman on April 29, 2008, 09:24:02 AM
Post by: Snoopy on April 29, 2008, 09:24:58 AM
Post by: Just One More on April 29, 2008, 10:07:18 AM
Post by: Nick on April 29, 2008, 10:16:45 AM
Well ~ It is a given that the man was going to be an arse from his choice of political party but he put (or caused to be put) a leaflet through my door yesterday that was so full of inaccuracies and outright lies that I felt obliged to 'phone and tell him. I asked what were the facilities he was promising to ensure were made available for the "young people of the village" and he replied "They need a play ground". I was forced to point out that I had spent the last 4 years as the Secretary of the fund raising group that had secured funding in excess of now £150K to create a childrens playground, skate board arena and ramps plus an all weather ball five aside football arena and that the last phase (the installation of floodlighting for the pitch) had been completed two weeks ago ~ he got a bit huffy.
I then moved onto his proposals for dealing with traffic congestion in the centre of the village and asked with whom he had discussed these as they seemed to me to be likely to have a detrimental effect on local shops and businesses. He told me he had consulted with local businesses. It was then that I informed him that I am Chairman of the Local Business Association, that all the businesses on the High Street are members and that he had not discussed it with me and that the owners of the businesses had been calling me concerned at his "promises".
Then I asked him about his printed statement that the local Post Office is due for closure and that he will prevent this. Let him waffle for five minutes and sweetly informed him that (i) The local Post Office is not scheduled for closure and in fact no Post Offices in Wales have been so scheduled because the list of proposed closures is not due out until June and that, as a member of PostWatch Wales Steering Group (Northern Area) I was one of those being consulted by the Royal Mail about the forthcoming list and that our village was not on it.
I went onto suggest that before composing election leaflets he should perhaps talk to local people (he lives some way from here and has been brought in by the party) he huffed and puffed a lot and claimed that he had spoken with "party members" so I then named three of them and told him they clearly knew f*** all. He hung up!
Today I am reporting the Lib Dem Candidate to the Returning Officer for spending more than the permitted sum on his campaign so that should see him off too. eveilgrin:
Fabulous work!! happ096 happ096 happ096
Glad I asked the question! ;D
Post by: Grumpmeister on April 29, 2008, 10:38:41 AM
Well ~ It is a given that the man was going to be an arse from his choice of political party but he put (or caused to be put) a leaflet through my door yesterday that was so full of inaccuracies and outright lies that I felt obliged to 'phone and tell him. I asked what were the facilities he was promising to ensure were made available for the "young people of the village" and he replied "They need a play ground". I was forced to point out that I had spent the last 4 years as the Secretary of the fund raising group that had secured funding in excess of now £150K to create a childrens playground, skate board arena and ramps plus an all weather ball five aside football arena and that the last phase (the installation of floodlighting for the pitch) had been completed two weeks ago ~ he got a bit huffy.
I then moved onto his proposals for dealing with traffic congestion in the centre of the village and asked with whom he had discussed these as they seemed to me to be likely to have a detrimental effect on local shops and businesses. He told me he had consulted with local businesses. It was then that I informed him that I am Chairman of the Local Business Association, that all the businesses on the High Street are members and that he had not discussed it with me and that the owners of the businesses had been calling me concerned at his "promises".
Then I asked him about his printed statement that the local Post Office is due for closure and that he will prevent this. Let him waffle for five minutes and sweetly informed him that (i) The local Post Office is not scheduled for closure and in fact no Post Offices in Wales have been so scheduled because the list of proposed closures is not due out until June and that, as a member of PostWatch Wales Steering Group (Northern Area) I was one of those being consulted by the Royal Mail about the forthcoming list and that our village was not on it.
I went onto suggest that before composing election leaflets he should perhaps talk to local people (he lives some way from here and has been brought in by the party) he huffed and puffed a lot and claimed that he had spoken with "party members" so I then named three of them and told him they clearly knew f*** all. He hung up!
Today I am reporting the Lib Dem Candidate to the Returning Officer for spending more than the permitted sum on his campaign so that should see him off too. eveilgrin:
You can have fun with the next stage then Snoop. You can wait till he starts doing the rounds and meeting the public and 'happen' to be there to ask him face to face why he hung up.
Post by: Barman on April 30, 2008, 07:22:06 AM
They can therefore stick my £10 up their libertarian arses. cussing:
Post by: Darwins Selection on April 30, 2008, 07:40:11 AM
Well I e-mailed them Monday and haven’t had a reply yet – not even an acknowledgement of my mail. noooo:Too busy sniffing other folks £10 up their Libertarian noses probably.
They can therefore stick my £10 up their libertarian arses. cussing:
If God had intended us to be Libertarians he would have made us all equal. evil:
Post by: Grumpmeister on April 30, 2008, 11:19:33 AM
Well I e-mailed them Monday and haven’t had a reply yet – not even an acknowledgement of my mail. noooo:
They can therefore stick my £10 up their libertarian arses. cussing:
Unfortunately you missed an important part of the name, UK Libertarian Party. They probably aren'y that bothered about Uncle Baldgaria living in Cyprus. point:
Post by: Barman on April 30, 2008, 01:26:10 PM
Bollocks to them then - their loss! point:Well I e-mailed them Monday and haven’t had a reply yet – not even an acknowledgement of my mail. noooo:
They can therefore stick my £10 up their libertarian arses. cussing:
Unfortunately you missed an important part of the name, UK Libertarian Party. They probably aren'y that bothered about Uncle Baldgaria living in Cyprus. point:
Post by: Barman on October 24, 2008, 03:00:15 PM
whistle:
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 24, 2008, 03:19:42 PM
I'd say you've missed the 1984 campaign, it's 2008 ;)
Post by: Barman on October 24, 2008, 03:31:40 PM
You've joined then?
I'd say you've missed the 1984 campaign, it's 2008 ;)
;D
Yes I joined them... I felt the need to do something... Shrugs:
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 24, 2008, 03:47:06 PM
For our own good of course. Banghead
Post by: Barman on October 24, 2008, 04:14:29 PM
Yes I know what you mean. This government is all for control. It's interfering in every aspect of our lives.
For our own good of course. Banghead
Sign up then! ;D
I figured that gurgling sound was my pension (the one they decided I can't now take 'til I am 55) going down the drain cussing:
What they are doing is completely fucking* outrageous and 'call me Dave' and his cronies are no better... noooo:
I've sent a copy of 1984 too... lol:
* Necessary in this instance I feel
Post by: Barman on November 03, 2008, 06:26:51 PM
http://tomcharris.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/an-orwellian-nightmare-oh-wake-up/
Tom Harris seems to be drowning under the tide of public opinion!
Tosser! cussing:
Post by: The Moan Ranger on November 03, 2008, 07:42:05 PM
The 1984 campaign has got off to a great start! cloud9:
http://tomcharris.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/an-orwellian-nightmare-oh-wake-up/
Tom Harris seems to be drowning under the tide of public opinion!
Tosser! cussing:
This being the sacked Tom Harris :-
http://www.tomharrismp.com/news?PageId=b3a54196-096a-b954-8db8-3523bbd3b65e
Post by: Barman on November 03, 2008, 10:03:21 PM
That's him! lol:The 1984 campaign has got off to a great start! cloud9:
http://tomcharris.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/an-orwellian-nightmare-oh-wake-up/
Tom Harris seems to be drowning under the tide of public opinion!
Tosser! cussing:
This being the sacked Tom Harris :-
http://www.tomharrismp.com/news?PageId=b3a54196-096a-b954-8db8-3523bbd3b65e
Post by: Grumpmeister on November 04, 2008, 11:51:10 AM
Post by: Barman on July 05, 2009, 05:55:00 AM
happy088
Post by: Just One More on July 05, 2009, 06:09:23 AM
Something like "If the kids are united" would have been better. Personal opinion of course
Post by: Barman on July 05, 2009, 06:20:23 AM
Post by: Snoopy on July 05, 2009, 08:01:29 AM
Post by: Barman on July 12, 2009, 04:31:02 PM
Quote from: Leg-Iron
Disclaimers first.
1) I am not a member of anything. I don't speak for the Libertarian Party and even if I join, I won't be speaking for the party because if they have any sense they won't let me near the reins of power. I like to press buttons just to see what they do. To paraphrase Groucho Marx, I'm not sure I want to join any club that would let people like me in. Joining something is, for me at least, a big decision. I once joined a union and that didn't work out too well, so I have to think long and hard before committing to any group.
2) This post has been sponsored by non-approved and soon to be illegal quantities of Glen Grant.
Right. This is what I think libertarianism means and it's not based on anything other than my own random thought processes. Party members are welcome to correct me.
There is some fear of the Libertarian movement among the big three parties. I base this conclusion on labels like 'xenophobic' and 'far right' and 'BNP-like'. They are scared. With good reason. So there is a lot of talk of 'libertarian=anarchist' and 'they'll just let everyone do whatever they please' and so on.
To an extent, yes. But it's not libertinism. You can do pretty much what you please but you must accept responsibility for your actions. There can be no 'it was my upbringing' or 'it was my culture somewhere else' or 'it's a fair cop, but society is to blame'. You did it, you deal with it.
So if you want to build an extension that looks like something from 'A Series Of Unfortunate Events', go ahead. If it falls over and smashes your neighbour's shed, you'll be liable. Not the planning committee. Not the builder. Not the architect. You. You will have to compensate your neighbour. If someone is hurt, you'll go to jail and pay compensation too. it'll take a few years to sink in, but once people work out that they won't get off with excuses any more, most will start to act with some responsibility.
Libertarianism does not mean the absence of law or the disbanding of the police. It means fewer and simpler laws that are easy to understand and follow. It means a policeman would give you a ticking off for dropping litter rather than fining you, taking your fingerprints and DNA and recording all your details on five miles of paperwork. He won't even need to ask your name. All he'll ask is that you pick up your own crap and deal with it yourself. Like they used to in the old days. He'll still have authority and if you want to kick off, he'll have the power to deal with that. But it won't be his automatic response and if you just pick up the crap, he won't even have to report it back at the station.
No targets. Also, no limits. If several months go by where nobody in an area causes a problem, the police don't need to make arrests. If a ruckus kicks off because some bunch of idiots want to clawhammer someone, the police can arrest them all. You are free to do whatever you want in Libertarianism as long as it hurts nobody else. Cause trouble and the proverbial ton of bricks comes into play.
Should you steal, rape, kill, or otherwise damage someone else, expect a long prison sentence. Prisons will have room for long-term inmates because they won't be occupied by people who grow a bit of weed for their own use, or shout a bit of abuse across the street. Sticks and stones, prison. Words, no real harm. Like the old days when the British were real people rather than the professionally offended infants they have been made to be now. Libertarianism, to me, is forcing the country to grow up. It's time, don't you think?
Pause and think for a moment. Recall the news you've read recently. How many complaints to the police, how many charges, how many court appearances, how many prison sentences can be described as 'SIr, Sir, the naughty boy called me a bad name'? The police are obliged to respond. The courts are bound by the law. They enforce something that real people grew out of when they were nine.
I don't agree with every Libertarian out there but that's not a weakness in the party. It's the point. People are individuals. If every Libertarian toed the party line, they'd be like the drones of Labour, Tory or Libby Dimmies. The party is forged on concensus, not blind obedience. I would never join authoritarian parites like the big three, the Greens, the BNP or even the Monster Raving Loonies because to do so, you must accept the manifesto as it stands . You cannot argue. No discussion is allowed. That's the rule book you signed up to, now follow it. Sod that.
Take drinking and driving. Some Libertarians maintain that there's no harm done as long as you make it home safely. I don't agree with that but I do think that drunk driving, as oppposed to driving over some arbitrary limit, is wrong and should be stopped. When you're in charge of a big metal box on wheels, capable of considerable speed, you increase the risk to others when you impair your own reactions and judgement. By a lot. It's not about how many milligrams of alcohol you have in you, it's about your ability to control your death machine.
Some people I know would be able to drive over the current limit with no problem. Others would not be safe to drive even under the limit. One, at least, isn't safe sober. So I would go for a test based on the individual's ability to control their vehicle rather than a breath test. A breath test treats us all as clones. We are not. First offence, lose your licence for a year. A second offence within that year, prison. No piddling about with points and re-education classes. But it's not based on milligrams in your blood, it's based on whether you have control of the vehicle you're driving. The risk is not to yourself. it's to other people.
With seatbelts, that's your problem. You don't want to wear a seatbelt, fine, it's you that goes through the windscreen in a crash, not me.
Speeding is not so clear. If your car does 90 and you're confident of handling it, and there's nobody about, off you go. If you're tailgating or cutting in or out, the hell with you and it's licence shredding time. On an empty road at 3 am, speed cameras are just silly.
Immigration. The love that dare not speak its name, as Oscar Wilde once said about something else entirely. My thoughts? I don't care at all. I don't care whether you're white, black, brown, green, blue, turquoise or puce. I don't care whether you're Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, Church of the Militant Elvis, Satanist, Atheist, or even if you think the entire universe was sneezed from the nose of a being you call the Great Green Arkelseizure. I don't care. All I care about is '"Why are you here?"
If you're here to improve your life by becoming One Of Us, great. In you come. For a year at least, it might not be much improvement.
If you came here to sponge, then leave, or die of starvation. We are not feeding you.
To add to the quotes, here's a P.T. Barnum (I think). "There is no such thing as a free lunch".
Libertarian is not libertine. There is no racism or xenophobia. Nobody is forced to leave. Stay, follow the simple rules, you'll be fine. Your gender, race, religion or sexual preference is irrelevant, we don't care.
But libertarianism is not anarchy. There are stringent rules.
Just not very many.
Source (http://leg-iron.livejournal.com/195511.html)
Leg-Iron nails it again... happ096