The Virtual Pub
Come Inside... => The Commons => Topic started by: Snoopy on June 21, 2008, 08:37:56 AM
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They threw us out/ asked us to leave in the 1960s ~ almost 50 years ago so why do our politicians, who couldn't run a whelk stall let alone our own country, insist on making portentous statements about Mugabe and his cronies? It is an African problem and like so many similar problems is tribal based. Let them get on with it. OK there'll be even more blood spilled but in the end they will sort it out for themselves, just as we in the so called civilised west have sorted ourselves out. All Brown, the boy who is Foreign Secretary and co are doing is handing Mugabe yet more ammunition for his anti British ranting. It is not our fault, in fact this is exactly what we told them would happen way back when Ian Smith declared UDI. We had no solutions then and we have none now. We have only just about wormed our way out of Northern Ireland and that has gone on since before Cromwell. We are in no position to lecture anyone.
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Whilst we are at it let's get the fvck out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Their troubles were nothing to do with us, our interference has cost lives on both sides and made not one jot of difference. Iraq is still split along tribal lines and always will be. Afghanistan is growing and exporting more drugs than ever. The best and most honourable thing we could do would be to say "Sorry, we fvcked up the imposed arbitrary borders we imposed back in the early 1900s ~ best we leave you chaps to sort out what you really want for yourselves"
Should we worry about the oil? ~ NO! They have to sell it to someone and that someone is us. They have the choice, sell us the oil at a sensible price and enjoy the wealth or sink back into being a stoneage society. During the times of plenty (viz the past fifteen years) we could have made ourselves self sufficient in terms of energy but once again we missed the bloody boat.
We are an island FFS, pull up the drawbridge and let the buggers go hang ~ Oh dear we can't do that because we have not prepared for it, we have learned nothing from history and we are now in hock up to our necks again.
I despair. Banghead
End of rant ~ for now cussing:
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Excellent rant, I agree with you... Turn your back on any of these African chaps and they start hacking each other to pieces with machetes... Leave them to it I say.
And as for Afghanistan, if the might of the Russian military couldn't sort the bloody mess out it is clear that we have no chance – leave them to it too.
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Indeed, we dont need Iraqi oil and let the Afghans flood the west with hard drugs. surrender:
Am I in France this morning? rubschin:
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Indeed, we dont need Iraqi oil and let the Afghans flood the west with hard drugs. surrender:
Am I in France this morning? rubschin:
That's the point ~ I don't care what they flood the west with. We are an Island FFS ~ how hard would it be to stop the b@st@rds getting the stuff in if we really wanted to? What is lacking is the will not the means. It is easier to control the population of the UK if half of them are uneducated and out of their tiny minds on drugs and the other half are making money out of it.
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Indeed, we dont need Iraqi oil and let the Afghans flood the west with hard drugs. surrender:
Am I in France this morning? rubschin:
Unfortunately we aren't in Afghanistan because of the drugs and I suspect that Bin Laden was never there in the first place. What is there however is a rather 'important' oil pipeline which if memory serves me correctly was built by Halliburton.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7467990.stm
Suprising. To me at least. He may have saved a lot of lives in the short term by doing this.
In the long tem the butchers bill is going to enormous.
But fear not, the international community will step in. ::)
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Yep ~ the International Community is lining up behind Gordon Brown for yet another invasion ::)
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Yep -
tunble:
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It's started already ~ Gordo is calling Mugabe names and Mugabe is calling Gordo names. Pretty soon they'll be saying "Betcha my brother is bigger than your brother" etc.
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Yes, but when Gordo is calling people names his jowels wobble, and that is really scary ::)
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Mugabe was wearing a red baseball cap ~ I wonder if that is significant rubschin:
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He must be down wiv his bro's in da hood .. shrugs:
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They don't waste time do they eeek:
I am Paul Eket Taburo. I write on behalf of David Parirenyatwa, Legislative Representative of Murehwa North (Mashonaland East) in Zimbabwe. Prior to his popular election into the above office in March 2008, he was our Country¢s Minister of Health and Child Welfare.
Please, browse the web links below for confirmation of his credentials as we are eager to make you understand that we are not pranksters.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/world-leaders-1/world-leaders-z/zimbabwe.html
http://www.afdevinfo.com/htmlreports/peo/peo_1556.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Parirenyatwa
Please, he needs your help in a matter of utmost importance. The entire world is aware of the tense and sad situation in our Country Zimbabwe and it is for this reason that Mr. Parirenyatwa seeks your aid. Our President has all significant persons at home watched and any careless action could result in the loss of one¢s life at his hands. Mr. Parirenyatwa has an un-concluded but legitimate matter that he needs you to handle on his behalf; he is willing to pay a good price for your effort. The matter requires conclusion in Europe, it is for that same reason he has placed me here. If you are able to help, please inform me. I am aware that this letter is quite indefinite, it is so for good reasons. However, I can enlighten you more when I am sure that you can help us. Kindly treat this letter with some privacy, Mr. Parirenyatwa is a person who has so touched the lives of his fellow Zimbabweans and the loss of his own would be felt by too many. If you are compelled to refuse us, kindly do so quietly. Lives depend on your prudence. You can email me at (paultaburo11@yahoo.com) I await your response. Thank you.
Regards,
P. E. Taburo.
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Have we invaded yet? fence:
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Yes, but when Gordo is calling people names his jowels wobble, and that is really scary ::)
ooooooh yes
It could be worse though, if he starts smiling then its time to panic
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Our dignified Foreign Secretary has criticised Mugabe.
Mugaber is quaking in his boots, of course
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Well this will have him begging for mercy, the queen is revoking his honorary knighthood. I have to ask though, why has it taken so long. While it isnt a huge thing to do its still a symbolic act and one that Gordo has repeatedly been uninterested in backing.
Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe's honorary Knighthood is to be withdrawn by the Queen, the BBC has learned.
Mr Mugabe, condemned over violence ahead of a presidential run-off election, was made a Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath in 1994.
Foreign Secretary David Miliband recommended to the Queen that he be stripped of the honour - and the Queen has approved that request.
Ministers are also trying to block a Zimbabwe cricket tour next year.
Prime Minister Gordon Brown has faced calls in the Commons for Mr Mugabe's honorary Knighthood to be withdrawn.
Human rights
Earlier this month, Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg asked the prime minister: "What message does it send that a man who brought ruin and starvation to his country continues to be honoured by a knighthood from ours?"
But the government has been wary of playing into President Mugabe's claims that Africa is under siege from Britain - the former colonial power.
However there has been growing international condemnation of Mr Mugabe's plans to go ahead with a presidential run-off vote on Friday, despite the withdrawal of the opposition because of violence and intimidation.
The United States has said it will not recognise the outcome of the election run-off and an emergency summit of southern African leaders has called for it to be postponed.
'Criminal cabal'
A Foreign Office spokesman said on Wednesday the decision had now been taken to strip Mr Mugabe of his knighthood.
"Our focus has been on improving the situation for ordinary Zimbabweans on the ground and it remains so," he said.
"But we can no longer justify an individual who is responsible for a consistent campaign of human rights violations and the disregard for the democratic process retaining an honour."
He added: "His actions have proved beyond all argument that he is not worthy to retain this honour."
The announcement came as Mr Brown prepares "intensified sanctions", including travel and financial restrictions, against "the criminal cabal" trying to keep Mr Mugabe in power.
Conservative leader David Cameron urged a full visa ban for Mr Mugabe and his officials, during exchanges with Mr Brown at prime minister's questions.
Mr Brown told MPs the UK was ready to commit "substantial resources to Zimbabwe once democracy returns".
While he did "not want to do further damage" to the Zimbabwean people, he said: "We will force through sanctions against the individuals that are part of the regime."
Mr Cameron said there was "universal anger" over the "stolen election" results and urged businesses and individuals who had any dealings with the president's regime to examine their consciences and not help to prop it up.
Mr Brown agreed that businesses should "look at their involvement" in the troubled nation.
"I believe the whole world has woken up to the evils that are going on in Zimbabwe," he said.
"What we want to see is an end to the violence and a peaceful transition in Zimbabwe - that's why the efforts of the African Union are so important."
Culture Secretary Andy Burnham is working with the England Cricket Board to halt Zimbabwe's cricket tour to England next year, he said.
He urged other countries to help ban Zimbabwe from taking part in cricket's Twenty 20 World Cup being hosted by the UK next year.
That's easy to arrange. No visa no entry, no entry no tour. None of this working with the ECB spin. (Yes I know our borders are about as secure as a wet paper bank vault but I can't see them being that desperate to get in unless they are planning on legging it as soon as they arrive in London.