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Come Inside... => The Commons => Topic started by: Uncle Mort on September 11, 2008, 11:15:06 AM
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We receive many job applicants, mostly graduates and although I'm not involved in recruitment I often get to see the CVs as many appear on the department e-mail address.
Anyway, one caught my eye because of his university degrees:
MA Political Science (Terrorism and Security) and BA International Relations
The MA intrigued me so googled it.
Students could be expected to enter a range of professions linked to public service, policy analysis, human rights and the NGO sector, national and global security, advocacy and lobbying.
No mention of shipbroking. His four jobs since leaving university: Sales, Finance, Sales & Marketing and Sales.
Just what was the point of his four years at university?
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He is educated and flexible?
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He may not be educated but he has at least proved an ability to put up with four years of unmitigated political correctness, ball busting jargon and theoretical situations that have never and will never happen. Ideally suited to a job "in the city" I would think. ;)
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I am about to get a bit cross about this one.
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Don't take it personally. You gained your education when it was worth something.
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And it still is in some places.
When Uncle replies I may ask someone to move it to The Commons
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rubschin: It is in "The Commons"
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He probably is 'educated and flexible' but his education is in political science. Surely he should being putting that specific knowledge to use?
None of the jobs he has done or the position he's applying for here require MAs or BAs in any subject so I ask again, what was the point?
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I am about to get a bit cross about this one.
Why?
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redface:
In that case:
1. Some may not have had the privilege of HE as it was before, let's say 1990. But a university education was a fine thing. You had to move away from home (I speak from experience(. Find you way in a strange city (London in my case), manage a budget, fend for yerself, make new friends and work like buggery.
2. A fine chance also to spend years debating ideas with bright, and brighter, people. About what, it mattered not.
3. The study part was to research, read, write - crystallising ideas in prose and then defending them in public. The subject mattered little. OK, I did English Lit. Useless, but fascinating. If you are doing Medicine, Law, Surveying, Architecture and so on, there are disciplines and stuff to be observed. But it is still intellectually fertile.
4. The expansion of HE (first in the 60's and later in the 90's FHE Act 1992) combined with the expansion of student numbers has, we know (and Mrs Nick gets the brunt of it) brought in a new generation of students who are not always up to scratch. The old and older universities carry on doing brilliant stuff. Some ofhte alumni of the newer ones are no dolts. Mature students always do well.
5. If we train people to think, write, read, research, argue and deliver then the discipline they follow matters not, for the majority of jobs.
6. Having attended a presentation at the local Grammar last night I was blown away by the Head who pointed out that most jobs that exist now for graduates scarcely were dreamed of a few years ago. "We are preparing kids for jobs that do not yet exist." He said.
7. The solution: educate. Make 'em think, express, argue, find their feet, read, research, find out how to research, find out how to evaluate.
8. It's the best I can do for The Boy and I will do. It's OK to learn on the job, but just cos someone has spent time thiniing about politics, economics, terrorism, globalism and so on does not mean they are narrow. They have resources. But they may need a few corners knocking off.MIne are still being knocked off. But I treasure my (11 year) university education. Those who mutter about the University of Life are OK, but we all enter the University of Life quite early on.
Rant over
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Ouch!
I cannot disagree. You've argued the point of higher education excellently. My argument is more that this chap hasn't appeared to made use of his specific knowledge.
Maybe he applied to be Cameron's speech writer or work for some government 'thinktank' and failed or he had decided he wasn't interested in politics after all. However at the university he was a member of the a debating society, a politics society and the young conservatives so who knows.
To be honest reading the full CV this chap was always going to go to university, I'm actually surprised it wasn't Oxbridge.
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My argument is more that this chap hasn't appeared to made use of his specific knowledge.
Not, perhaps, necessary, Uncle.
And you can always sign up for the OU. I worked for them for years.
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And you can always sign up for the OU. I worked for them for years.
Have you seen how much they charge!?!? And I don't think it's possible to get any type of funding either.
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Not the point. You think it worthwhile.
The blasted Govt have made it pricey.
You wanna do OU. Yup. They spread the credits over years for that reason. Bastard govt pay f*ck all
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I did study with the OU back in the late 80's. I have 101 Maths and Computing but dropped out halfway through the later courses. I guess I still have a couple of points towards a BA.
The summer schools were for me a taste of university life, something I wish I had the opportunity to have done. Maybe my attitude to graduates is tainted with a hint of jealousy but whatever the merits of higher education in producing a more well rounded, confident individual, surely the bottom line is still gaining knowledge for use in later life.
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I see your point, but my argument was not about knowledge. Read, listen, think, write, talk, argue. I spent years in the mists of Victorian literature.I work in Marketing.Same stuff: Read, listen, think, write, talk, argue
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Not the point. You think it worthwhile.
The blasted Govt have made it pricey.
You wanna do OU. Yup. They spread the credits over years for that reason. Bastard govt pay f*ck all
I do think it's worthwhile! I just haven't got the money to do it!
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What do you wanna do? (serious)
ANd btw Uncle, I used to teach on summer schools which were amazingly intense and huge fun, if knackering. A whole university term in a week!
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Read, listen, think, write, talk, argue
I do. What percentage of modern graduates do? I fear the courses have been devalued.
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What do you wanna do? (serious)
English Literature, to finish off my degree. Then a year's PGCSE conversion.
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Tell the truth, they have. Mrs Nick works at a "new"university and despairs.
But:
GCSE and A levels are easier
"Students" generally have to work now to fund their "education"
Schools are so dumbed down under NuLabou that they have been spoonfed for years and are shocked at the idea of reading books!
Her students often work all night in some Mac drive in cos their parents are too poor to pay the money or debts.
Madness
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What do you wanna do? (serious)
English Literature, to finish off my degree. Then a year's PGCSE conversion.
My old OU Department. What they charging now?
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£610 per "unit".
I'd get credit for my completed first year which would cut down the total required but it is still a step too far at the moment. But if other stuff works out I maybe able to afford it in a couple of years.
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I was researching becoming a tourist guide for a little extra dosh and I've relevant experience...
The training now costs £3.8K eeek: eeek: eeek:
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sad24:
Bastard government.
1. Pay for HE (via tax)
2. Pay it back (via loans+interest)
3. Get parents to payit back out of taxed income
3 Contibute to economy (doctors etc)
4.Earn more and pay more tax ( cussing:)
5. Werk till you are 70
6. Meanwhile we (Gordo etc. shall retire and jet around the world)
BASTARDS x 50
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Read, listen, think, write, talk, argue
I do. What percentage of modern graduates do? I fear the courses have been devalued.
Be precise. Some have, not all have.
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Sorry.
I fear that some of the courses have been devalued.
Probably caused by government interferring and set targets.
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I think that an awful lot of the "non-vocational" courses have been devalued there is reason to that arguement. However, I think a lot of the problem is a lack of guidance at the choice stage. I know that for me there was never really an alternative to "go to university". I think that a lot of kids would be far better off with a plumbing city and guilds or something like that. Or alternatively spend the three/four years you would at university doing unpaid work experience somewhere. For instance, if I had spent three years as a runner at the bbc, or tea maker at a paper I think it would have made far more sense career wise then turning out another english graduate. I certainly intend to make my children aware that there are options besides university.
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I certainly intend to make my children aware that there are options besides university.
So will I, if only to save me some money!
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I certainly intend to make my children aware that there are options besides university.
So will I, if only to save me some money!
lol: There is of course that. But more than that I don't necessarily feel that a degree is necessary. I was made to feel, and still am by Mr Wench's family, that if you don't have a degree you are an brainless faliure. I don't think that is the case. And really, like you, don't often see the point in nonvocational degrees anymore.
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I was made to feel, and still am by Mr Wench's family, that if you don't have a degree you are an brainless faliure.
Then they are shallow and ill informed.
No wonder they get on your nerves.
I even know several quite clever and talented people who didn't go to Oxbridge.
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I was made to feel, and still am by Mr Wench's family, that if you don't have a degree you are an brainless faliure.
Then they are shallow and ill informed.
No wonder they get on your nerves.
I even know several quite clever and talented people who didn't go to Oxbridge.
As do I. In fact most of my friends these days are degreeless. It doesn't mean they are any less intelligent than those that do have them. Just different priorities when that sort of thing came up.
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Maybe worth mentioning that in the six years it took her to get a BA(Hons) with the OU Mrs S#2 also managed to have two children. Yes it cost me money but I saw and still see it as in investment. Actually the fees haven't gone up that much judging from Wenchy's quoted costs and, of course, wages have risen in the time since I was paying the fees.
She has just gained a PGCE as a part time student taken over the past two years whilst looking after me (in that time I have spent several weeks in hospital and had a heart attack), three children and working as a part time tutor (to gain the necessary teaching hours) teaching adults basic skills via the medium of "Arts and Crafts" in the community. The PGCE was paid for by a government grant which is available to fund all prospective teachers.
She did well enough on the PGCE course for the Uni to approach her with a proposal that has enabled her to progress to do an MA which her university will pay for in exchange for her doing some p/t lecture work and student mentoring for them on the next PGCE courses they run.
If you want to do it there is no such thing as "Cannot afford". It is always possible to find a way.
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And on the subject of the OU I think I can say (Having worked with them on Security at their summer schools) that the lecturers (At least most of them) and many of the students see the whole thing as a two week fvckathon. How much work gets done during the days I know not but I can assure you that many notches are placed upon many bed posts. Those lecturers and staff who are full time employees at Milton Keynes do compare notes on their success rate when they get back from summer school and Security were often called upon to verify claims. whistle:
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Tell the truth, they have. Mrs Nick works at a "new"university and despairs.
But:
GCSE and A levels are easier
"Students" generally have to work now to fund their "education"
Schools are so dumbed down under NuLabou that they have been spoonfed for years and are shocked at the idea of reading books!
Her students often work all night in some Mac drive in cos their parents are too poor to pay the money or debts.
Madness
My son attends university of warwick, (but at mo in france on erazmus year) he has worked very hard, and is on for a first class degree, he does not work while at universtiy as dosent have the time due to studying, so he has to support himself through his student loans/bursary/and his fathers small contribution, he dosent piss it up wall he is well commited and focused, to much sometimes i worry! He will have to pay back it all wen he hopefully has well paid job in yrs to come, but i find it very sad that some have to work to much as to me that is affecting there university work and what it point in that might as well stay near to home uni an not have the expense of living away. i sometimes wonder how focused some students are though. i wish them all the luck in the world as not a easy time. scared2:
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The problem with having so many graduates is that having a Degree no longer guarantees a well paid job. Certainly the chap I cited in the opening post never had a job in the past three years that looked as if it was particularly well paid.
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The problem with having so many graduates is that having a Degree no longer guarantees a well paid job. Certainly the chap I cited in the opening post never had a job in the past three years that looked as if it was particularly well paid.
well in my daughters case being in location she is living there is not any jobs in her field of degree but she still trying! but at mo working for dwp not bad paid actually, my son on other hand is a academic who i have great faith will be fine in his line of chosen career. eyes:
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Maybe worth mentioning that in the six years it took her to get a BA(Hons) with the OU Mrs S#2 also managed to have two children. Yes it cost me money but I saw and still see it as in investment. Actually the fees haven't gone up that much judging from Wenchy's quoted costs and, of course, wages have risen in the time since I was paying the fees.
She has just gained a PGCE as a part time student taken over the past two years whilst looking after me (in that time I have spent several weeks in hospital and had a heart attack), three children and working as a part time tutor (to gain the necessary teaching hours) teaching adults basic skills via the medium of "Arts and Crafts" in the community. The PGCE was paid for by a government grant which is available to fund all prospective teachers.
She did well enough on the PGCE course for the Uni to approach her with a proposal that has enabled her to progress to do an MA which her university will pay for in exchange for her doing some p/t lecture work and student mentoring for them on the next PGCE courses they run.
If you want to do it there is no such thing as "Cannot afford". It is always possible to find a way.
Well done to Mrs S as i could never have done that, and i was a stay at home mum when kids little etc! but was stressed to death. Banghead
Now i am free of all the stress and hassle to dam lazy to study again! so hence the poor life for me, unless Tg manages to pull off a nice cushy no and i can retire!!!!! eyes:
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eeek:
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Now i am free of all the stress and hassle to dam lazy to study again! so hence the poor life for me, unless Tg manages to pull off a nice cushy no and i can retire!!!!! eyes:
"This is the self preservation society, the self preservation socierty" eyes:
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Now i am free of all the stress and hassle to dam lazy to study again! so hence the poor life for me, unless Tg manages to pull off a nice cushy no and i can retire!!!!! eyes:
"This is the self preservation society, the self preservation socierty" eyes:
To feckin' right! cussing:
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I always did see you as the Charlie Croker type TG.
The problem isnt just the large number of graduates, look at the range of courses you can do now. Degrees in Surfing or Science Fiction? noooo:
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I always did see you as the Charlie Croker type TG.
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I always did see you as the Charlie Croker type TG.
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Camp Freddie? rubschin:
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It was the moggy what convinced me. whistle:
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Yeah, that "put me down or I'll shred your arm look" is pretty indicative whistle:
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And on the subject of the OU I think I can say (Having worked with them on Security at their summer schools) that the lecturers (At least most of them) and many of the students see the whole thing as a two week fvckathon. How much work gets done during the days I know not but I can assure you that many notches are placed upon many bed posts. Those lecturers and staff who are full time employees at Milton Keynes do compare notes on their success rate when they get back from summer school and Security were often called upon to verify claims. whistle:
redface:
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The problem with having so many graduates is that having a Degree no longer guarantees a well paid job. Certainly the chap I cited in the opening post never had a job in the past three years that looked as if it was particularly well paid.
I did not attend University, it was not an option in my parents' eyes. Instead I became an apprentice with the RAF and went onto serve in the RAF for several years. Most of the officers I encountered had been to university. Long on argument, great in debating skills and mainly utterly dependant upon the NCOs to get anything done. Frankly the majority of graduate junior officers hadn't an iota of common sense between them. I cannot subscribe to the view that three years of drinking, fornication and taking great bundles of washing home to mummy in the vacations is a good preparation for earning a living in the future. Funny how those who have been to uni are always so quick to defend it as a preparation for life. There are other ways, just as good at honing the essential skills, available to those that wish to follow them. As for the many useless degrees now available through what are no more than renamed colleges of further education they really are not worth getting into debt for and they will not help anyone to a better job or a better future as Uncle Mort's example shows.
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The problem with having so many graduates is that having a Degree no longer guarantees a well paid job. Certainly the chap I cited in the opening post never had a job in the past three years that looked as if it was particularly well paid.
I did not attend University, it was not an option in my parents' eyes. Instead I became an apprentice with the RAF and went onto serve in the RAF for several years. Most of the officers I encountered had been to university. Long on argument, great in debating skills and mainly utterly dependant upon the NCOs to get anything done. Frankly the majority of graduate junior officers hadn't an iota of common sense between them. I cannot subscribe to the view that three years of drinking, fornication and taking great bundles of washing home to mummy in the vacations is a good preparation for earning a living in the future. Funny how those who have been to uni are always so quick to defend it as a preparation for life. There are other ways, just as good at honing the essential skills, available to those that wish to follow them. As for the many useless degrees now available through what are no more than renamed colleges of further education they really are not worth getting into debt for and they will not help anyone to a better job or a better future as Uncle Mort's example shows.
Never knock it till you try it. point:.. my two kids (one been an one going through) the university process, and it will be worth it debt included, only way they could have done it, and they both have lots of Common sense ! so everyone to there own choice of what they want too do in life. i work in uni health centre, and there are differant types of student i can tell you. but i am proud of what my kids haven done, i would encourage any bright child to do it if they want too. i never had the choice or the brains to do it, so always encouraged but never pushed them to do well. my older son attended special school due to learning difficulties so wasent a option for him, he has a nice job in lime street station and i am very proud of him for doing that.
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The problem with having so many graduates is that having a Degree no longer guarantees a well paid job. Certainly the chap I cited in the opening post never had a job in the past three years that looked as if it was particularly well paid.
I did not attend University, it was not an option in my parents' eyes. Instead I became an apprentice with the RAF and went onto serve in the RAF for several years. Most of the officers I encountered had been to university. Long on argument, great in debating skills and mainly utterly dependant upon the NCOs to get anything done. Frankly the majority of graduate junior officers hadn't an iota of common sense between them. I cannot subscribe to the view that three years of drinking, fornication and taking great bundles of washing home to mummy in the vacations is a good preparation for earning a living in the future. Funny how those who have been to uni are always so quick to defend it as a preparation for life. There are other ways, just as good at honing the essential skills, available to those that wish to follow them. As for the many useless degrees now available through what are no more than renamed colleges of further education they really are not worth getting into debt for and they will not help anyone to a better job or a better future as Uncle Mort's example shows.
Never knock it till you try it. point:.. my two kids (one been an one going through) the university process, and it will be worth it debt included, only way they could have done it, and they both have lots of Common sense ! so everyone to there own choice of what they want too do in life. i work in uni health centre, and there are differant types of student i can tell you. but i am proud of what my kids haven done, i would encourage any bright child to do it if they want too. i never had the choice or the brains to do it, so always encouraged but never pushed them to do well. my older son attended special school due to learning difficulties so wasent a option for him, he has a nice job in lime street station and i am very proud of him for doing that.
Which proves the very point I was trying to make. ::)
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The problem with having so many graduates is that having a Degree no longer guarantees a well paid job. Certainly the chap I cited in the opening post never had a job in the past three years that looked as if it was particularly well paid.
I did not attend University, it was not an option in my parents' eyes. Instead I became an apprentice with the RAF and went onto serve in the RAF for several years. Most of the officers I encountered had been to university. Long on argument, great in debating skills and mainly utterly dependant upon the NCOs to get anything done. Frankly the majority of graduate junior officers hadn't an iota of common sense between them. I cannot subscribe to the view that three years of drinking, fornication and taking great bundles of washing home to mummy in the vacations is a good preparation for earning a living in the future. Funny how those who have been to uni are always so quick to defend it as a preparation for life. There are other ways, just as good at honing the essential skills, available to those that wish to follow them. As for the many useless degrees now available through what are no more than renamed colleges of further education they really are not worth getting into debt for and they will not help anyone to a better job or a better future as Uncle Mort's example shows.
Never knock it till you try it. point:.. my two kids (one been an one going through) the university process, and it will be worth it debt included, only way they could have done it, and they both have lots of Common sense ! so everyone to there own choice of what they want too do in life. i work in uni health centre, and there are differant types of student i can tell you. but i am proud of what my kids haven done, i would encourage any bright child to do it if they want too. i never had the choice or the brains to do it, so always encouraged but never pushed them to do well. my older son attended special school due to learning difficulties so wasent a option for him, he has a nice job in lime street station and i am very proud of him for doing that.
Which proves the very point I was trying to make. ::)
very long winded as i couldent seem to grasp what point you where trying to make!
The opportunities are there for the taking for the young these days, wish i was young again i tell ya!
oh well.... eyes:
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You could always sign up for the OU.
redface:
Mr Nick: OU staff member and SUmmer School lothario 1981-1986 (York was the best)
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The problem with having so many graduates is that having a Degree no longer guarantees a well paid job. Certainly the chap I cited in the opening post never had a job in the past three years that looked as if it was particularly well paid.
I did not attend University, it was not an option in my parents' eyes. Instead I became an apprentice with the RAF and went onto serve in the RAF for several years. Most of the officers I encountered had been to university. Long on argument, great in debating skills and mainly utterly dependant upon the NCOs to get anything done. Frankly the majority of graduate junior officers hadn't an iota of common sense between them. I cannot subscribe to the view that three years of drinking, fornication and taking great bundles of washing home to mummy in the vacations is a good preparation for earning a living in the future. Funny how those who have been to uni are always so quick to defend it as a preparation for life. There are other ways, just as good at honing the essential skills, available to those that wish to follow them. As for the many useless degrees now available through what are no more than renamed colleges of further education they really are not worth getting into debt for and they will not help anyone to a better job or a better future as Uncle Mort's example shows.
Never knock it till you try it. point:.. my two kids (one been an one going through) the university process, and it will be worth it debt included, only way they could have done it, and they both have lots of Common sense ! so everyone to there own choice of what they want too do in life. i work in uni health centre, and there are differant types of student i can tell you. but i am proud of what my kids haven done, i would encourage any bright child to do it if they want too. i never had the choice or the brains to do it, so always encouraged but never pushed them to do well. my older son attended special school due to learning difficulties so wasent a option for him, he has a nice job in lime street station and i am very proud of him for doing that.
Which proves the very point I was trying to make. ::)
very long winded as i couldent seem to grasp what point you where trying to make!
The opportunities are there for the taking for the young these days, wish i was young again i tell ya!
oh well.... eyes:
Sorry ~ I'll try to keep it simple in future.
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The problem with having so many graduates is that having a Degree no longer guarantees a well paid job. Certainly the chap I cited in the opening post never had a job in the past three years that looked as if it was particularly well paid.
I did not attend University, it was not an option in my parents' eyes. Instead I became an apprentice with the RAF and went onto serve in the RAF for several years. Most of the officers I encountered had been to university. Long on argument, great in debating skills and mainly utterly dependant upon the NCOs to get anything done. Frankly the majority of graduate junior officers hadn't an iota of common sense between them. I cannot subscribe to the view that three years of drinking, fornication and taking great bundles of washing home to mummy in the vacations is a good preparation for earning a living in the future. Funny how those who have been to uni are always so quick to defend it as a preparation for life. There are other ways, just as good at honing the essential skills, available to those that wish to follow them. As for the many useless degrees now available through what are no more than renamed colleges of further education they really are not worth getting into debt for and they will not help anyone to a better job or a better future as Uncle Mort's example shows.
Never knock it till you try it. point:.. my two kids (one been an one going through) the university process, and it will be worth it debt included, only way they could have done it, and they both have lots of Common sense ! so everyone to there own choice of what they want too do in life. i work in uni health centre, and there are differant types of student i can tell you. but i am proud of what my kids haven done, i would encourage any bright child to do it if they want too. i never had the choice or the brains to do it, so always encouraged but never pushed them to do well. my older son attended special school due to learning difficulties so wasent a option for him, he has a nice job in lime street station and i am very proud of him for doing that.
Which proves the very point I was trying to make. ::)
very long winded as i couldent seem to grasp what point you where trying to make!
The opportunities are there for the taking for the young these days, wish i was young again i tell ya!
oh well.... eyes:
Sorry ~ I'll try to keep it simple in future.
You cant half gab for a man..i thought i was bad... point:
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The only difference my dear is that I do it in English. whistle:
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shocked003
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Woof woof woof-woof bark bark woof woof woof bark bark woof. whistle:
rubschin:
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You forgot the panting
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evil: You leave my pants out of this.
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And on the subject of the OU I think I can say (Having worked with them on Security at their summer schools) that the lecturers (At least most of them) and many of the students see the whole thing as a two week fvckathon. How much work gets done during the days I know not but I can assure you that many notches are placed upon many bed posts. Those lecturers and staff who are full time employees at Milton Keynes do compare notes on their success rate when they get back from summer school and Security were often called upon to verify claims. whistle:
redface:
I attended a Maths summer school at Durham. Plenty of geeks, very few girlies. cry:
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Maths!
And Durham is a haven for Anglican shirt lifters
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And Durham is a haven for Anglican shirt lifters
Really?
I was far to busy to notice.
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Of course, of course.
I spent a weekend there once. Hardly dared turn my back on any of the vicars noooo:
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Maths!
And Durham is a haven for Anglican shirt lifters
dont know about Durham? I only mentioned Warwick..
and in this day an age there is a better name for people's sexuality, not the crude ones thank you noooo:
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The only difference my dear is that I do it in English. whistle:
so do i, so whats the problem? this is a pub forum not a english language course,
take it or leave it... point:
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I told him!
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Scousers. Start a fight in a convent. noooo:
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I told him!
and everyone on here writes in good english..NOT i dont really think it matters does it! noooo:
Banghead
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Mrs Nick had a convent school reunion at Paddy's Wigwam on Saturday.
There was one black woman there. One.
The ex-Mother Superior said to her, "I remember you, but I don't remember you being black."
rubschin:
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Maths!
And Durham is a haven for Anglican shirt lifters
dont know about Durham? I only mentioned Warwick..
and in this day an age there is a better name for people's sexuality, not the crude ones thank you noooo:
Queers?
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Maths!
And Durham is a haven for Anglican shirt lifters
dont know about Durham? I only mentioned Warwick..
and in this day an age there is a better name for people's sexuality, not the crude ones thank you noooo:
Queers?
shallow as a brick. my 21 yr son is GAY and has brains you know! and that is the only word i can hear thanks! Banghead
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Whoops! Here we go! lol:
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scared2:
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It's a shame that homosexuals hijacked the word 'gay' though. It cannot be used in its original form now.
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On another matter, I was thinking yesterday about my undergraduate time.
2 things (in addition to those mentioned)
1. Zero responsibilities (mortgage, family)
2. Constant sense of broadening horizons
An intoxicating opportunity which made 1974-77 magical
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It's a shame that homosexuals hijacked the word 'gay' though. It cannot be used in its original form now.
True, wonder who started that word for homosexuals/lesbians? but its better than some of the crude descriptions rubschin:
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The primary meaning of the word gay changed during the 20th century. The earlier primary usage, "carefree," "happy," or "bright and showy," derives via the Old French gai, most likely from a Germanic source.[3] "Gay" was very commonly used with this meaning in speech and literature. For example, the 1938 ballet aptly named Gaîté Parisienne ("Parisian Gaiety"), a patchwork compiled from Jacques Offenbach's operettas, illustrates this connotation. The optimistic 1890s are still often referred to as the Gay Nineties.
Gradually, by the 1990s, "gay" became rarely used for its older meanings, and if it was so used, seemed either dubiously innocent or charmingly antiquated.
The derived abstract noun gaiety remains largely free of connotations of sexuality. But "Gaiety" was also a common name for places of entertainment. One of Oscar Wilde's favourite venues in Dublin was the Gaiety Theatre.
Sexualization
The word started to acquire sexual connotations in the late 17th century, being used with meaning "addicted to pleasures and dissipations." This was by extension from the primary meaning of "carefree": implying "uninhibited by moral constraints." A gay woman was a prostitute, a gay man a womanizer and a gay house a brothel[4].
The use of gay to mean "homosexual" was in origin merely an extension of the word's sexualised connotation of "carefree and uninhibited," which implied a willingness to disregard conventional or respectable sexual mores. Such usage is documented as early as the 1920s. It was initially more commonly used to imply heterosexually unconstrained lifestyles, as for example in the once-common phrase "gay Lothario,"[5] or in the title of the book and film The Gay Falcon (1941), which concerns a womanizing detective whose first name is "Gay." Well into the mid 20th century a middle-aged bachelor could be described as "gay" without any implication of homosexuality. This usage could apply to women too. The British comic strip Jane was first published in the 1930s and described the adventures of Jane Gay. Far from implying homosexuality, it referred to her freewheeling lifestyle with plenty of boyfriends (while also punning on Lady Jane Grey).
A passage from Gertrude Stein's Miss Furr & Miss Skeene (1922) is possibly the first traceable published use of the word to refer to a homosexual relationship, though it is not altogether clear whether she uses the word to mean lesbianism or happiness:
“ They were ...gay, they learned little things that are things in being gay, ... they were quite regularly gay. ”
—Gertrude Stein, 1922
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My thanks to the professor.
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And mine to the unreliable Wikipedia