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Come Inside... => Saloon Bar => Topic started by: Grumpmeister on October 28, 2008, 12:18:58 PM
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So we pay our licence fees to fund this pair of arseholes making abusive phone calls to a member of the public on a program. cussing:
They should be sacked immediately for gross misconduct!
Ofcom says it is going to launch an investigation into Russell Brand's prank telephone calls to actor Andrew Sachs during his Radio 2 show.
The star was called four times by Brand and guest Jonathan Ross on a pre-recorded show broadcast on 18 October.
Ofcom said all BBC broadcasters must adhere to its broadcasting code, which sets standards for the content of TV and radio programmes in the UK.
The BBC apologised to Mr Sachs on Monday for the "unacceptable" calls.
Sachs' agent said the Fawlty Towers star "very upset" after Brand and Ross left lewd messages about the actor's granddaughter, 23-year-old Georgina Baillie, on his voicemail.
Review
Brand himself apologised for the offence on his latest show.
A Radio 2 spokeswoman said on Monday the BBC was "reviewing how this came about" and apologised to listeners for any offence caused.
As of Tuesday morning, the BBC said it had received more than 4,700 complaints.
A spokesman for the BBC Trust, the corporation's governing body, said its editorial standards committee had requested a report from BBC management on the incident.
"The Trust will await this report before commenting further and without prejudice to any complaints on appeal it might receive in due course," he added.
Controls
Meanwhile, a senior MP has told Radio 5 Live that the BBC must ensure this type of incident does not happen again.
"It raises far more serious questions about the controls in place to stop this kind of thing happening and the BBC needs to look at that to ensure it can't occur," John Whittingdale, chairman of the Culture Media and Sport Select Committee, said.
"This was a programme that was pre-recorded and was listened to and we're told that editorial staff had decided that it was suitable for broadcast.
"That does seem to be utterly extraordinary - I cannot see how the controls could've broken down so badly and this is something the BBC needs to look into.
"The BBC needs to think about whether they want to go on spending this amount of money on individuals who are repeatedly found to be in breach of what are universally held as the acceptable standards of broadcasting," he added.
Ofcom's broadcasting code states that in applying generally accepted standards, broadcasters must ensure that material which may cause offence - including offensive language - is justified by the context.
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Russel Brand and Ross are overpaid wankers.
Brand, in particular, is a prime candidate for being hung from alamp post.
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The granddaughter in question:
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I'd be interested to hear Uncle Mort's views on the subject... rubschin:
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The granddaughter in question:
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eeek:
Still doesn't justify what they did
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I'd be interested to hear Uncle Mort's views on the subject... rubschin:
I'm sure you already know.
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How on earth did this get past?
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I'd be interested to hear Uncle Mort's views on the subject... rubschin:
I'm sure you already know.
;D
But for our readership here like...? shutup:
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How on earth did this get past?
That is one of the things that OFCOM are going to be investigating. Either someone buggered up the sign off for the show or there wasnt any editorial control before it was broadcast.
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I'd be interested to hear Uncle Mort's views on the subject... rubschin:
I'm sure you already know.
;D
But for our readership here like...? shutup:
It was probably a bit of an ill-chosen and off the cuff remark but not deserving of all the self-righteous cant that's been bandied about.
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I disagree entirely. If some talentelss overpaid c*nt calledme up and left messages about my (hypothetical) granddaughter which was then broadcast on the BBC I would be f*cking incandescent!
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I could agree with Uncle Mort if it has been a live show and a one off in the heat of the moment, but four calls, on a recorded show, that has to be passed by an editorial board? I can't believe that no one mentioned that it was in bad taste!
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But isn't this entertainment for the masses... I bet the audience laughed their pathetic little heads off at this... noooo:
We all know that JR is a complete, talentless wanker yet he remains popular... I think the BBC are (sadly) giving the audience just what they want...
It is all TV (and the radio) for the non-thinking these days... I'm fed up with being spoon fed like I've an IQ of seven... I'm fed up of having a film of somebody putting petrol in their car every time the oil price is mentioned just in case I can't work out what it is all about...
I think the Big Issue here is the state of the nation, not so much the state of Jonathan Woss.. noooo:
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The granddaughter in question:
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eeek:
Still doesn't justify what they did
Maybe not but I reckon there's a good chance that Brand has had sex with her.
She's no little shrinking violet after all.
Miss Baillie said last night: 'I've only just got back.
'I was aware of what happened but I just need some time to get my head together now.
'I don't want to say anything more until I've had a chance to speak to my agent.'
Miss Baillie, who lives in North London, would not confirm or deny whether she had ever had a sexual relationship with Brand.
But the comedian is nominated as her 'Top Friend' on her MySpace page and he has mentioned her Gothic performance group on air in recent months.
Miss Baillie lists her marital status as 'swinger' on MySpace and includes 'pretty men with tattoos' among her interests.
All good publicity.
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Unless you have received "On Air" obscene phone calls about her
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Having read the full transcript I still consider the whole episode overblown and hyped up by the media. Personally if I was in Andrew Sachs' position I would have just deleted the answerphone messages and ignored the little twerps.
The granddaughter is old enough to fight her own battles.
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So why drag him in?
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Miss Baillie lists her marital status as 'swinger' on MySpace and includes 'pretty men with tattoos' among her interests.
Thank goodness for that. I was worried the poor girl would turn out to be a real slapper.
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zuEONuAF7e8
rubschin:
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So why drag him in?
They were ringing him up because he was scheduled to be on the show but didn't turn up. Obviously Brand and Ross had been talking about him and family and Brand told Ross he had slept with the granddaughter. Ross blurted this out when they were leaving a message on the answerphone.
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Still out of order
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True ~ but not worth all the 'self-righteous cant that's been bandied about'
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The self righteous stuff is somewhat ridiculous. But then I am less interested in what was said and who said it and more interested in the editorial board that allowed it to pass.
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Wait for a junior little head to roll
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Wait for a junior little head to roll
Yes, they do all have quite small crania don't they?
Why is that?
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The self righteous stuff is somewhat ridiculous. But then I am less interested in what was said and who said it and more interested in the editorial board that allowed it to pass.
Ross should get a slappiing for his excuse though. He said that they 'forget that they are broadcasting'. Now I'm sorry but if you are being paid £18million to do a job then you concentrate on what you are doing.
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Which is stupid yes. However, it was a recorded show! Surely when they listened back to it they realised!?!?!
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And Brand should realise that his time is up.He is just not funny.
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Which is stupid yes. However, it was a recorded show! Surely when they listened back to it they realised!?!?!
Thats assuming there was a procedure in place to listen to the shows prior to broadcast.
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There was!
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"This was a programme that was pre-recorded and was listened to and we're told that editorial staff had decided that it was suitable for broadcast.
There was a procedure in place!
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"This was a programme that was pre-recorded and was listened to and we're told that editorial staff had decided that it was suitable for broadcast.
There was a procedure in place!
Is there an echo in here?
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Pardon?
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"This was a programme that was pre-recorded and was listened to and we're told that editorial staff had decided that it was suitable for broadcast.
There was a procedure in place!
Is there an echo in here?
Sometimes you need to repeat things to people.
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Especially men ::)
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Glad you understand.
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No, I switch off after the second time and just say "Yes, dear" and stuff like that.
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No, I switch off after the second time and just say "Yes, dear" and stuff like that.
Yes dear... ;)
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No, I switch off after the second time and just say "Yes, dear" and stuff like that.
mmmhmmmm
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Anywho.
Broon has stuck his oar in now so it will soon be sorted.
I like both of them. They make make me larf.
But I think they should be sacked for a bit.
For being canutes like
Or possibly : Hang them! TM cussing:
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Broon has stuck his oar in now so it will soon be sorted.
I like both of them. They make make me larf.
eeek: eeek: eeek:
THERE ARE TWO BROONS ! !
What is the name of that Swiss euthanasia clinic?
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Good to see that Gorgon has nothing more important to sort out than this, eh readers? ::)
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Good to see that Gorgon has nothing more important to sort out than this, eh readers? ::)
Don't underestimate the benefit to the economy of sacking Woss.
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Yep, everyone's jumping on the bandwagen. 10,000 complaints to the BBC, politicians making capital, I'm surprised that the Church hasn't chipped in as well.
Meantime:
Ms Baillie, 23, said she felt "betrayed" and "embarrassed" the relationship had been publicly revealed to her grandfather.
I bet he already knew and that's why he decided not to go on the show anyway.
Still, it looks like Ross and Brand's days are numbered.
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Still, it looks like Ross and Brand's days are numbered.
So we can look forward to even more Ant and Dec? Banghead
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I don't want them sacked! I want the dickheads that didn't censor it out sacked! They are the "talent" I don't expect them to think about whether they are offending people or not I expect the people paid to make sure they don't cross the line to do their job! Banghead
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Hence the "" ::)
But in the biz that is what they would be called.
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They have no talent!
Talent is almost non-existent on TV these days.
Neither of them entertain me - sack em, and their bosses, preferably after they have been in the stocks for 2 weeks.
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And then hang them. Especially Brand.In fact, hang him twice! cussing:
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Drawn and quartered afterwards I hope.
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I find Brand quite amusing at times. redface:
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He'd only ammuse me if he put his head into a tub of molten lead, we'd find out which is denser.
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I find Brand quite amusing at times. redface:
In a cruel and evil way I hope.
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As a general thing I don't get him, but last year I think it was he did a series called Ponderland and that Mr Wench and I found most amusing. The rest of his stuff, not so much.
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As a general thing I don't get him, but last year I think it was he did a series called Ponderland and that Mr Wench and I found most amusing. The rest of his stuff, not so much.
Must be a young peoples thing I suppose. cry:
I am broadminded and willing to give all performers a chance, but this man is a shallow nebbish IMHO.
I rarely agree with the Grauniad on the arts, but this time. . .
http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/tvandradioblog/2007/oct/23/ponderlandputsbrandinacom (http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/tvandradioblog/2007/oct/23/ponderlandputsbrandinacom)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7696714.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7696714.stm)
whistle:
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They're doomed.
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They're doomed.
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So, Ant and Dec or "The Potters Wheel" then?
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Ant and Dec ~ The Potter's Wheel doesn't come over as well on the Radio.
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I think Ant and Dec are being sued. By ants I think. rubschin:
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I think Ant and Dec are being sued. By ants I think. rubschin:
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Ant and Dec ~ The Potter's Wheel doesn't come over as well on the Radio.
Very true Uncle, although the entertainment value is comparable.
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Well Brand has resigned and gone off to Hollywood
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Still, it looks like Ross and Brand's days are numbered.
So we can look forward to even more Ant and Dec? Banghead
I have been reading all the posts on this thread and up to this comment by your good self DS I was enjoying the crack, then you mentioned the Ant and Dec censored: I came over all unnecessary as mummy used to say when something happened to spoil her karma
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I think Ant and Dec are being sued. By ants I think. rubschin:
They say that they could take over the world, ants that is, not And and Dec who have taken over the TV
I'm not afraid of insects taking over the world, and you know why? It would take about a million ants just to aim a gun at me, let alone fire it. And you know what I'm doing while they're aiming it at me? I just sort of slip off to the side, and then suddenly run up and kick the gun out of their hands.
I do love these sharing moments eyes:
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I think Ant and Dec are being sued. By ants I think. rubschin:
They say that they could take over the world, ants that is, not And and Dec who have taken over the TV
I'm not afraid of insects taking over the world, and you know why? It would take about a million ants just to aim a gun at me, let alone fire it. And you know what I'm doing while they're aiming it at me? I just sort of slip off to the side, and then suddenly run up and kick the gun out of their hands.
I do love these sharing moments eyes:
Let me shake your hand sir.
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Mad bugger! ;D
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Apparently, if you added up the weight of all living creatures - mammals, insects, fish, birds, reptiles, the lot - then something like 13% of the overall total would be ants.
So there.
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I think Ant and Dec are being sued. By ants I think. rubschin:
They say that they could take over the world, ants that is, not And and Dec who have taken over the TV
I'm not afraid of insects taking over the world, and you know why? It would take about a million ants just to aim a gun at me, let alone fire it. And you know what I'm doing while they're aiming it at me? I just sort of slip off to the side, and then suddenly run up and kick the gun out of their hands.
I do love these sharing moments eyes:
Um yes GOS... thanks for sharing...
whacky115
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Apparently, if you added up the weight of all living creatures - mammals, insects, fish, birds, reptiles, the lot - then something like 13% of the overall total would be ants.
So there.
27% of the overall total would be sitting in MacDonalds.
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Latest photo of one of the offended parties...
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Close down the bloody complaint line - if you didn't complain immediately when you heard it then don't bother complain 3 days later and jump on the bandwagon......
now those are the people that really make me annoyed evil:
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30,000 now ::)
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Close down the bloody complaint line - if you didn't complain immediately when you heard it then don't bother complain 3 days later and jump on the bandwagon......
now those are the people that really make me annoyed evil:
Agreed...
Did I hear that there were only two complaints before it hit the press? rubschin:
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That's right, TWO people complained.
Then the media got hold of it and has told the sheeple what to think.
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I still want to see Brand hung evil:
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I think people are using this as a reason to vent their intolerance for the over paid pansy brigade in general.
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Stop bloody ringing the number now then Nick - you work here is done lol:
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What is she on about?
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Thst's right, TWO people complained.
Then the media got hold of it and has told the sheeple what to think.
Pathetic... this lot of do-as-you're-told proles will vote labour back in again - you mark my words! Banghead
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Isn't the real point, the fact that they would appear to have committed a criminal act.
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Thats my take on the whole thing Tel. Reegardless of the furore and bandwagon jumping that happened since it still boils down to breaking the law.
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If it can be proved to be a criminal act then they should be prosecuted - simple as that.
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Unfortunately Sachs decided not to press charges which buggers that unless the police decide to try and make an example of them.
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I cannot help but think that if two employees of any other company or institution committed a similar prank, on company time, on company pay the solution would be blindingly obvious. Instant dismissal ~ severance without question.
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Yes but if my line manager had said what I was doing was fine then they should be fired too!
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Not quite the same as technically they were doing what they were paid to do i.e. 'entertain'
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Yes but the producer passed it as fit for broadcast!
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Sorry I was answering Pastis.
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redface:
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Technically, I agree. But how come this sort of material passed the compliance forms?
I reckon the producer will be out of work by the weekend.
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Hmmm.... it's the controller of R2 who's decided to fall on her sword. What about the producer responsible?
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Hmmm.... it's the controller of R2 who's decided to fall on her sword. What about the producer responsible?
Kill them.
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Hmmm.... it's the controller of R2 who's decided to fall on her sword. What about the producer responsible?
Kill them.
Is that pronounced:
"Keeeel zem!"
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Hmmm.... it's the controller of R2 who's decided to fall on her sword. What about the producer responsible?
Kill them.
Is that pronounced:
"Keeeel zem!"
Yes, sorry... redface:
Keeel Zem! eveilgrin:
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Apparently the producer was a wet behind the ears 25 year old. ::) Who hires straight of uni media graduates to do the job of policing Brand FFS!
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Apparently the producer was a wet behind the ears 25 year old. ::) Who hires straight of uni media graduates to do the job of policing Brand FFS!
Keeeel Heeeem! eveilgrin:
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Hang him.twice
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Hang him.twice
Then he really would be well hung.
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I don't have much time for Ross or Brand.
The point is simply thus :- What they did was a criminal act and as such they should be prosecuted under the laws of the land. I don't care how much they earn and I don't care what the fallout at the Beeb will be. Whether it was broadcast or not is a matter for the producer to defend (hopelessly) but the fact that they made the calls is unassailable.
They are gulilty. If I - when I was working - were to get a crimnal conviction then I would be sacked. The same should apply, regardless of pay scale. Or populist opinion.
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I don't have much time for Ross or Brand.
The point is simply thus :- What they did was a criminal act and as such they should be prosecuted under the laws of the land. I don't care how much they earn and I don't care what the fallout at the Beeb will be. Whether it was broadcast or not is a matter for the producer to defend (hopelessly) but the fact that they made the calls is unassailable.
They are gulilty. If I - when I was working - were to get a crimnal conviction then I would be sacked. The same should apply, regardless of pay scale. Or populist opinion.
Excellent post!
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It's not as simple as that.
The call(s) weren't intended as malicious, the odd f-word doesn't make it particularly obscene and there was no slander or lies. I cannot see a case being made.
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It's not as simple as that.
The call(s) weren't intended as malicious, the odd f-word doesn't make it particularly obscene and there was no slander or lies. I cannot see a case being made.
I wonder tho what would have happened if an 'ordinary' tax paying member of the public had made the same call to a celeb...? I'm guessing that they would have at least been investigated by plod if not spent some time in jail...
It seems that celebs are immune from conviction... they can openly take Class A drugs while 'ordinary' proles are arrested on TV (road wars, etc.) for smoking a joint... noooo:
With hindsight Gary Glitter must wish that he'd released record every now and again thus ensuring immunity from prosecution...
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It seems that celebs are immune from conviction... they can openly take Class A drugs while 'ordinary' proles are arrested on TV (road wars, etc.) for smoking a joint... noooo:
At the end of the Road Wars type programmes they run through what happened to those proles. Most seem to get away with it as well.
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It seems that celebs are immune from conviction... they can openly take Class A drugs while 'ordinary' proles are arrested on TV (road wars, etc.) for smoking a joint... noooo:
At the end of the Road Wars type programmes they run through what happened to those proles. Most seem to get away with it as well.
I know! Banghead
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It's not as simple as that.
The call(s) weren't intended as malicious, the odd f-word doesn't make it particularly obscene and there was no slander or lies. I cannot see a case being made.
The calls can easily be classed as obscene.
There is also a case for harassment.
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It's not as simple as that.
The call(s) weren't intended as malicious, the odd f-word doesn't make it particularly obscene and there was no slander or lies. I cannot see a case being made.
The calls can easily be classed as obscene.
There is also a case for harassment.
It's a shame they can't be prosecuted just for being a pair or irritating custards.
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It's not as simple as that.
The call(s) weren't intended as malicious, the odd f-word doesn't make it particularly obscene and there was no slander or lies. I cannot see a case being made.
The calls can easily be classed as obscene.
There is also a case for harassment.
It's a shame they can't be prosecuted just for being a pair or irritating custards.
Plod: "Right son, you're nicked"
Woss: "On what charge offither?"
Plod: "Possession of an irritating and shallow personality and going equipped to nauseate"
Woss: "Its a fair cop"
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It's not as simple as that.
The call(s) weren't intended as malicious, the odd f-word doesn't make it particularly obscene and there was no slander or lies. I cannot see a case being made.
The calls can easily be classed as obscene.
There is also a case for harassment.
It's a shame they can't be prosecuted just for being a pair or irritating custards.
Plod: "Right son, you're nicked"
Woss: "On what charge offither?"
Plod: "Possession of an irritating and shallow personality and going equipped to nauseate"
Woss: "Its a fair cop"
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Well it's all over now ~ bar the ritual breast beating and hair shirt wearing in the higher echelons of the BBC.
Mr Brand was obviously not prepared to accept a telling off so did a runner ~ coincidently his new show starts on Channel 4 this week rubschin:
BTW Did I read that this is something like the third time he has flounced off of a show before disciplinary proceedings? IMHO He should never been employed on Radio 2 in the first place ~ totally the wrong place for him.
Mr Ross accepts the bollocking, a final warning and a suspension without pay for 12 weeks. He is still a twat of the highest order but at least has the sense to stay where the money is.
The Controller of Radio 2 does the decent thing and accepts the blame for bringing the pair of them into the organisation and for not keeping a closer eye on her subordinates ~ a pity because she has done some good work but she will soon be re-employed.
Right or wrong? Entertainment?
IMO Wrong to broadcast something without the permission of the parties concerned. Illegal to record a telephone call without the permission of all parties. Certainly not entertainment as I know it. Puerile, schoolboyish, boastful and ungentlemanly behaviour would be my description. Certainly Ross, at his age, should know better.
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At least they have now got rid of the smug twat!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1241614/Jonathan-Ross-smiles-contemplates-BBC-axe.html