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Come Inside... => Saloon Bar => Topic started by: Snoopy on January 22, 2009, 12:46:41 PM
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I did discuss this with Nick and Wenchy because they are both knowledgable about "Education" (for obvious reasons) but some may be wondering at my frequent references to the boys these days and the question may have occurred "Why are they not at school?"
It short we removed them from the state system at Christmas and are now "Educating at Home".
Thus far, and it is early days, it is proving to be (i) Hard work (ii) Very enjoyable and (iii) Successful ~ the future remains to be seen and a lot will depend on my health holding up but for the moment things are running pretty smoothly. With the exception of this morning (which may well have been hormonal) the stress levels in the house have diminished dramatically (except when the THW is around but that was anticipated). I seem to be spending a lot of time as a taxi driver making sure they get a full and active social life and many outings to museums etc are being planned for the coming months. Lessons happen as and when ~ we are being very informal about such things ~ and they are, I suspect, learning things that are not in the national curriculum (for example where to put an apostrophe etc) but I have been surprised how easy it is to turn even the most mundane of chores into a lesson about something. Lots of discussion of the whys and wherefores .... which of course most teachers do not have the time to indulge in. For example this afternoon's popcorn making will include various methods of cooking (saucepan, microwave, with butter, with salt and so forth) plus stuff on the PC about the "corn" ~ where it comes from, how it is grown, harvested, shipped, why it "pops" etc etc. At the end of which they have the pleasure of eating the lesson.
Any input (of a sensible nature) would be much appreciated.
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I applaud what you are doing Snoops but I have a question, not a criticism. What about the social interaction that ordinary schooling gives? Won't they miss their mates?
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I think that is often a concern with parents who take up home schooling, but so long as they are involved in cubs, after school activities etc I don't really see why it would be any different. TBH there isn't much actual "socialisation" in schools during the day anyway. So so long as the parents make it an active decision to ensure socialisation through other means I don't see it would be an issue.
Are you following a home school curiculum of any sorts Snoops?
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I applaud what you are doing Snoops but I have a question, not a criticism. What about the social interaction that ordinary schooling gives? Won't they miss their mates?
Facebook you mean? That seems to suffice these days. noooo:
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Interesting...
What ages? I feel I could have educated my two when they were at primary school level but I'm not so sure now (year eight) and less so as they progress further up the education tree.
Having said that, in discussions (?) (chats) with them I do get the impression that they are not being stretched and some work seems to be rehashing of stuff they did last year and even back to year 6 Their overriding complaint is that its 'boring'.
Both are in the 'Gifted and Talented' scheme but again I don't get the impression that it's making any difference.
I guess I'm saying I'd like to do the same as I lack trust in the education system.
My reservations:
How to keep the learning structure progressing to exam level.
Disipline ~ keeping distractions at bay.
Social ~ I'd be worried they they would miss the interaction with their peers in an enviroment away from the family home.
Anyway, good for you.
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At least they won't have to do the Battle of Hastings about 6 thousand times ......thats all I ever remember doing in History and we did it every single year Banghead
As for your effort Snoops - I applaud your direct action. Are you following any guidelines or curriculum plan and how has your local education authority responded to your action?
(I am assuming you have told them eeek:)
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I did discuss this with Nick and Wenchy because they are both knowledgable about "Education" (for obvious reasons) but some may be wondering at my frequent references to the boys these days and the question may have occurred "Why are they not at school?"
It short we removed them from the state system at Christmas and are now "Educating at Home".
Thus far, and it is early days, it is proving to be (i) Hard work (ii) Very enjoyable and (iii) Successful ~ the future remains to be seen and a lot will depend on my health holding up but for the moment things are running pretty smoothly. With the exception of this morning (which may well have been hormonal) the stress levels in the house have diminished dramatically (except when the THW is around but that was anticipated). I seem to be spending a lot of time as a taxi driver making sure they get a full and active social life and many outings to museums etc are being planned for the coming months. Lessons happen as and when ~ we are being very informal about such things ~ and they are, I suspect, learning things that are not in the national curriculum (for example where to put an apostrophe etc) but I have been surprised how easy it is to turn even the most mundane of chores into a lesson about something. Lots of discussion of the whys and wherefores .... which of course most teachers do not have the time to indulge in. For example this afternoon's popcorn making will include various methods of cooking (saucepan, microwave, with butter, with salt and so forth) plus stuff on the PC about the "corn" ~ where it comes from, how it is grown, harvested, shipped, why it "pops" etc etc. At the end of which they have the pleasure of eating the lesson.
Any input (of a sensible nature) would be much appreciated.
As a retired headteacher, who worked through the introduction of the National curriculum, Ofsted etc etc, I also aplaud what you are doing Snoops. Sounds like you are discovering that most recreational activities are just oozing with learning oportunities...a message I treied to get across to the parents for years!!!!
I'm no expert, but if I can ever be of any help .... another country, another culture.... do pm me.
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I think that Snoop's boys are both still of a primary school level, I could be wrong though.
I think home schooling is something that is going to become quite big over here in the coming years. It already has a HUGE following in the states to the point where home schooling materials (these must be available for a UK curriculum surely) are easily available and cover up to their high school graduation with the kids in question getting into colleges of their choice including ivy league schools. Whilst for a lot of them religion is the main reason for removing their kids from the public school system there are a variety of other reasons too, one of which is the one of which you speak. Boredom and lack of challenge in the classroom.
Sadly, those at the top and the bottom often get over looked in a classroom environment simply because there isn't enough time or resources ie staff to keep them occupied. The bottom tier now get an awful lot more time than they used to but stretching the more intelligent/gifted students remains an incredible challenge.
I think the social aspect for secondary aged children would be even less of an issue as it is for younger children. Especially if they have already built up a social network which would be unlikely to disintegrate just because they had left school. I know that when I was a teenager I had three different sets of friends, school, old school and non-school. My non-school based was the riding stables and local kids, my brother's came from his tennis club. So the socialisation aspect wouldn't concern me as much.
The discipline/distraction issue is a different one, however from the parents I have spoken to who employ this sort of scheme they find that their children are actively involved in their education. That it isn't a classical one of sitting at a desk from 9-3:30 and so discipline isn't as necessary. In fact most seem to get their core work out of the way in four days or fewer hours a day. Thus leaving time for other activities or individual learning opportunities or independent study, which the children do actually seem to be keen in pursuing.
It's certainly worth looking into Mort if you are serious about it.
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Monday Night: One is at Beavers, One at Cubs. When the Cub goes "up" to Scouts the meeting is on a Friday so he will, at that time, be joining the Rhyl Silver Youth Band. Beaver goes "up" to Cubs at that time.
Tuesday Night: Elder boy and Daughter go to Junior Badminton Club. Youngest will be joining once he is old enough (8.5 for some odd reason)
Wednesday Night: Boys go to Junior Fencing Club (7 to 8pm) and Daughter goes to Senior Club (8 to 9pm)
Thursday Night: Boys go to Junior Swimming Club.
Both boys have friends from a number of schools who attend these activities with them, including some from their old school.
Yes it is a consideration but as we see it we are doing all we can to provide social activity, of an appropriate age group, every night of the week. Also we have the reassurance that there is no bullying at these clubs and groups which could not be said for the schools. We allow sleepovers with these friends and run open house here. Also there are like minded families in the area and we have the opportunity to get together with them and their children. We also have another family locally whose children were in the same classes as our two. Their mother is a qualified teacher of Maths and Sciences. My lady is a qualified teacher of Humanities (History, English and Latin) who currently works P/T as a lecturer in basic skills (through the medium of Arts and Crafts) to adults The Science expert is due to finish a course she is doing in June at which point she is taking her two boys out of school too. We will then combine forces with Mrs S#2 teaching Art, English, Music, History, Geography and Mrs Scientist teaching Science, Maths etc. I am picking up the task of teaching manual skills (woodwork etc) as well as the sundry bits and pieces including tuition in Cricket, Football, Rugby and prolly Boxing (if the two mothers will let me). Having played all at school level and in subsequent RAF years represented the Service in Fencing and Boxing as well as the Wing in Rugby and Cricket I can just about manage to stand on the sidelines and bellow at them ~ even if I cannot run anymore.
As mentioned in another post I am setting the boys the task of building an aviary in the spring and they will then breed quail. The income from the eggs will be their pocket money so they will be using their maths and handiwork skills in a practical rather than a theoretical way They will, of course, have to look after the birds, with the ongoing calculations of feed costs to meat/eggs produced ratio to ensure enough profit to give them an income.
My brother, who is a butcher, will be giving them lessons in how to slaughter, clean and pluck the birds ready for the oven. I have already taken them to a commercial breeder of poultry and they have learnt from him what they have to do ~ and seen the gory bits without flinching.
I'm not saying we've covered all bases but we, unlike school, can be flexible.
As for the future ('cos you are all posting as I type and I am trying to answer the questions) we plan that at 14 they will re-enter the system via a local College of Further Ed to do one year of GCSE prep followed by sitting their exams and thence onto A levels and hopefully university. This is the recommended route. The National Curriculum (which is utter tosh) does not apply in Wales anyway.
Discipline is stricter at home than at school. As I explained when we offered them the option I have two things the Headteacher does not. (i) Total control of the television and (ii) A slipper ~ and I am not afraid to use either.
Home education is unstructured compared to school because it does not need to take account of all the other demands that are placed upon teachers. If the boys want to digress and discuss another topic ~ no problem because we can always come back another day to where we were. It is very flexible ~ eg they are currently eating their science project ~ POPCORN ~ whilst watching a geography programme from the National Geographic channel that I videoed (is that a word?) some days ago.
Their ages are 8 (and three days) and ten years 5 months. In school terms they would be in year 3 and year 6 respectively.
Strangely I did not have to tell the LEA. That is the job of the Headteacher ~ I had to write formally to him asking that they be removed from the register.
The LEA have been in touch and have asked (and that is all the law allows them to do) if we would be good enough to supply a teaching plan. They are entitled to ask to meet the children once a year but we are under no legal obligation to allow them to. The law places the responsibility on the parents to ensure a "full and proper education is provided". The only way the LEA can get at the children is to go to court and there prove that we are not complying with that requirement. In fact the local Home Education Officer here is very sympathetic and helpful and understands that there is a difference between "Formal" and "Informal" teaching. She is also one of the few I have met in education who understands the difference between TEACHING and LEARNING.
As I said to the head when we withdrew them. I accept that teaching is taking place in your classrooms but I see precious little evidence of any learning having taken place.
Phew! I hope that covers it all ~ thanks for all your good wishes.
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The LEA have been in touch and have asked (and that is all the law allows them to do) if we would be good enough to supply a teaching plan. They are entitled to ask to meet the children once a year but we are under no legal obligation to allow them to. The law places the responsibility on the parents to ensure a "full and proper education is provided". The only way the LEA can get at the children is to go to court and there prove that we are not complying with that requirement. In fact the local Home Education Officer here is very sympathetic and helpful and understands that there is a difference between "Formal" and "Informal" teaching.
Interesting, I would have thought that it would have been law that you had to submit some sort of formal education plan. rubschin: Otherwise what is the difference between home schooling and parental sanctioned truanting? Not that that is the case with your two, just wondering in general.
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That sounds downright excellent happ096
I was going to ask about exams but you covered that too, well done!
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That sounds downright excellent happ096
I was going to ask about exams but you covered that too, well done!
However, it is worth noting that you don't actually need to be physically attending a school full time in order to take GCSEs etc. We often had home school kids come to our school to take their GCSEs
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The LEA have been in touch and have asked (and that is all the law allows them to do) if we would be good enough to supply a teaching plan. They are entitled to ask to meet the children once a year but we are under no legal obligation to allow them to. The law places the responsibility on the parents to ensure a "full and proper education is provided". The only way the LEA can get at the children is to go to court and there prove that we are not complying with that requirement. In fact the local Home Education Officer here is very sympathetic and helpful and understands that there is a difference between "Formal" and "Informal" teaching.
Interesting, I would have thought that it would have been law that you had to submit some sort of formal education plan. rubschin: Otherwise what is the difference between home schooling and parental sanctioned truanting? Not that that is the case with your two, just wondering in general.
It amazed me when I looked into it. It also answered a lot of questions that had been puzzling me about a particular family where a child of my daughter's age has been, to my knowledge, wholly in charge of her much younger brother for several years (since she was about 12 and a half). Our local bobby and I discussed this and he went to the Social Services about it. They told him to keep his nose out, that the girl was considered "responsible" and wasn't truanting as she was being "home schooled". He was mighty miffed and subsequently busted the mother for possession with intent to supply. But to get back to the girl ~ she was talking her toddler brother to nursery and then going home, collecting him later, day after day. This progressed to her taking him to and from school. She is a nice kid, old beyond her years and is now, well wouldn't you guess, pregnant at fifteen and a half. Another life ruined by lack of interest from Social Services.
But to get back to the law.
FAQs from the Home Education Advisory Service web site ~ Needless to say we are members ~ It gives me something to wave at the LEA if necessary.
Is it legal?
YES - it is the parent’s duty to ensure that the child receives a proper education (Education Act 1996, Section 7; Education (Scotland) Act 1980, section 30; Education and Libraries (Northern Ireland) Order 1986, Article 45). Children of all ages can learn at home.
Do I have to inform the Local Education Authority?
NO - if your child has never been registered at a state school (or if you move to an area served by another LEA) you are not obliged to notify the LEA, although you may do so if you wish. If you are taking your child out of a state school in England or Wales the head teacher must remove the child’s name from the register and inform the LEA.
YES - if you are withdrawing your child from a state school in Scotland.
Are any grants available for home education?
NO - home educators are in a similar position to people who send their children to private schools - there is no funding available to support them. In some areas charitable trusts may exist which might make awards to families that meet specific criteria, e.g. if a child has special educational needs. You will need to check the register of charities at your local library.
Do I have to follow the National Curriculum?
NO - the law states that children may be educated according to the wishes of their parents (Education Act 1996, s 9; Education (Scotland) Act 1980, s 28;Education and Libraries (NI) Order 1986 Art. 44)
Will my child have to take tests at the Key Stages?
NO - formal testing is not required. The Local Education Authority may ask for information informally at intervals to monitor your child’s progress.
Can a child with a Statement of Special Educational Needs be educated at home?
YES - under S324 of the Education Act 1996 the Local Education Authority must make provision for the child’s special educational needs unless the parent has made “suitable arrangements” at home. Scotland and N. Ireland: similar provisions apply.
Is home education costly?
NO - you don’t need a lot of expensive equipment. In some areas you can borrow equipment from the local education resource centre. Many single parents teach at home successfully on Income Support.
Can GCSEs be taken at home?
YES - some young people enter as private candidates or arrange for part-time attendance at Further Education College to study for GCSEs. Others use correspondence courses.
Aren’t the children deprived of a social life?
NO - in many areas home educators meet together regularly for social and educational activities, and the children also attend clubs, classes, sporting and leisure activities in the community. The children mix with people of all ages as well as their peers.
Do I have to be a teacher?
NO - enthusiasm and commitment are needed, not qualifications. Many parents learn alongside their children, so the whole family benefits from the experience.
Can you study science at home?
YES - much of today’s science is geared to real-life situations using equipment that is easily available at home. And even the most up-to-date school laboratory can’t split the atom!
I want to talk to someone who is home educating. Can you put me in touch?
YES - but only if you subscribe to HEAS. We send you a list of families in your area who are happy to be contacted WHEN YOU JOIN. Data protection law prevents us from disclosing the names of HEAS subscribers to non-subscribers.
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Getting logs in with me just now, whilst SWWLTBO was getting out of her work clothes, the boys asked (can't remember which one started it) what the little bits sticking out of the spilt centre of the log were. I explained that these were the "hidden" bits of branches that had formed as the tree grew. This led onto a discussion of how trees grow, what they need to grow, an explanation by me of how to tell the age of a tree (counting the rings) and why the "age" rings are of differing thickness (depends on the weather during the growth season) ~ all demonstrated on the logs we were hefting in. Which log is the oldest then etc?
We then went round the house looking at doors, panelling etc to find the knots which had once been the branches that had started the discussion. End result? A happy half hour spent teaching them things that they really wanted to know.
All this will get recorded in our "Education Log" which we fill out each night so that if the "authorities" ask we can show them what the boys have studied each day. Everyone gets to write a bit in the book so that we can judge the "teaching outcomes" (to use the jargon) without seeming (to the boys) to be testing them.
Of course there will always be the vexed question of what we don't know but, in simple terms, like any good teacher I just need to be two pages in the book in front of the boys ~ so my very out of date methods of say division, multiplication etc need not be an issue because I am learning with them.
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Tell us more about the slipper Snoops! whistle:
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Haven't had to use it yet ~ the threat seems enough.
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Haven't had to use it yet ~ the threat seems enough.
Bah! evil:
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I suppose friends coming to visit might now be seen as Guest Tutors! lol:
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I suppose friends coming to visit might now be seen as Guest Tutors! lol:
Tax deductible no doubt... whistle:
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Only when they have completed the maths module lol:
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Only when they have completed the maths module lol:
We're not getting into a 'working out the VAT @ 15%' discussion again are we...? noooo:
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Only when they have completed the maths module lol:
We're not getting into a 'working out the VAT @ 15%' discussion again are we...? noooo:
Noooooooooooooooooooooo! angry041:
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Snoops
when you do logarithyms can I please attend. I could never get my head around them at school and I am sure you will have a practical approach that will be far more effective lol:
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Snoops
when you do logarithyms can I please attend. I could never get my head around them at school and I am sure you will have a practical approach that will be far more effective lol:
I'd be careful, he's already mentioned the slipper once Miss D whistle:
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Exactly ;)
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Logarithyms? I could never manage them either. Bloody things.
The only thing I know about maths is a joke about the constipated mathematician who worked things out with a pencil and paper but his professor friend said it would have been quicker if he had used logs. eeek:
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Log Books... scared2:
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How on earth do log books relate to maths?
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eeek:
http://home.clara.net/sliderules/a-to-z/log-tables.htm
Log tables were compiled into a book... the log book
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The log of the good ship Venus
"It was on the god ship Venus
By God you should have seen us
The figure head was a nude in bed
and the mast was the Captains penis"
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How on earth do log books relate to maths?
He means Log Tables Wenchy
See: http://www.sosmath.com/tables/logtable/logtable.html
We used to be issued with books of them at school. Nowadays I gather they use calculators.
I left school in 1963 and have never had occasion to use logarithms or algebra since. All that effort, all that homework, all those canings and for what?
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What do they do then? Why didn't I need them at school?
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How on earth do log books relate to maths?
Oh Wenchy, you are such a young innocent... cloud9:
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The calculator... when I was a kid like... whistle:
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Ahhhh so basically scientific calculators replaced them
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Oh the memories scared2:
I bloody hated that book..........and our maths teacher. We always had maths straight after PE and he would go around , straightening our clothes, correcting our shirt collars and ties (It was an all girls school eeek:)
But back to the book .....aaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Ahhhh so basically scientific calculators replaced them
Yes... you looked up the logs then added them up or took them away for amazing scientific answers like...
From memory... were log tables put together for artillery calculations or is that shite like...?
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Ahhhh so basically scientific calculators replaced them
In essence ~ yes. evil:
Although as with all calculators you still have to have the basic knowledge to use them properly.
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Ahhhh so basically scientific calculators replaced them
Yes. It was the method by which complicated calculations could be resolved more easily.
See also: slide rules
And it did my head in cry:
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We replaced log books with 'calculators'... you had to pull a big lever and turn all the cogs round like... noooo:
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I can't help it if I am young!!!!! cloud9:
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Ahhhh so basically scientific calculators replaced them
Yes... you looked up the logs then added them up or took them away for amazing scientific answers like...
From memory... were log tables put together for artillery calculations or is that shite like...?
I have heard many tales as to why they might be useful but as I say have never had to use them.
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Logarithm functions, graphed for various bases: red is to base e, green is to base 10, and purple is to base 1.7. Each tick on the axes is one unit. Logarithms of all bases pass through the point (1, 0), because any number raised to the power 0 is 1, and through the points (b, 1) for base b, because a number raised to the power 1 is itself. The curves approach the y-axis but do not reach it because of the singularity at x = 0.
The 1797 Britannica explains logarithms as "a series of numbers in arithmetical progression, corresponding to others in geometrical progression; by means of which, arithmetical calculations can be made with much more ease and expedition than otherwise."
In mathematics, the logarithm of a number to a given base is the power or exponent to which the base must be raised in order to produce the number.
For example, the logarithm of 1000 to the base 10 is 3, because 3 is how many 10s you must multiply to get 1000: thus 10 × 10 × 10 = 1000; the base 2 logarithm of 32 is 5 because 5 is how many 2s one must multiply to get 32: thus 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 × 2 = 32. In the language of exponents: 103 = 1000, so log101000 = 3, and 25 = 32, so log232 = 5.
The logarithm of x to the base b is written logb(x) or, if the base is implicit, as log(x). So, for a number x, a base b and an exponent y,
\text{ if }x = b^y,\text{ then }y = \log_b (x)\,.
An important feature of logarithms is that they reduce multiplication to addition, by the formula:
\log (xy) = \log x + \log y \,.
That is, the logarithm of the product of two numbers is the sum of the logarithms of those numbers. The use of logarithms to facilitate complex calculations was a significant motivation in their original development.
Uses of logarithms
Logarithms are useful in solving equations in which exponents are unknown. They have simple derivatives, so they are often used in the solution of integrals. The logarithm is one of three closely related functions. In the equation bn = x, b can be determined with radicals, n with logarithms, and x with exponentials. See logarithmic identities for several rules governing the logarithm functions.
Science
Various quantities in science are expressed as logarithms of other quantities; see logarithmic scale for an explanation and a more complete list.
* In chemistry, the negative of the base-10 logarithm of the activity of hydronium ions (H3O+, the form H+ takes in water) is the measure known as pH. The activity of hydronium ions in neutral water is 10−7 mol/L at 25 °C, hence a pH of 7.
* The bel (symbol B) is a unit of measure which is the base-10 logarithm of ratios, such as power levels and voltage levels. It is mostly used in telecommunication, electronics, and acoustics. The Bel is named after telecommunications pioneer Alexander Graham Bell. The decibel (dB), equal to 0.1 bel, is more commonly used. The neper is a similar unit which uses the natural logarithm of a ratio.
* The Richter scale measures earthquake intensity on a base-10 logarithmic scale.
* In spectrometry and optics, the absorbance unit used to measure optical density is equivalent to −1 B.
* In astronomy, the apparent magnitude measures the brightness of stars logarithmically, since the eye also responds logarithmically to brightness.
* In psychophysics, the Weber–Fechner law proposes a logarithmic relationship between stimulus and sensation.
* In computer science, logarithms often appear in bounds for computational complexity. For example, to sort N items using comparison can require time proportional to the product N × log N. Similarly, base-2 logarithms are used to express the amount of storage space or memory required for a binary representation of a number—with k bits (each a 0 or a 1) one can represent 2k distinct values, so any natural number N can be represented in no more than (log2 N) + 1 bits.
* Similarly, in information theory logarithms are used as a measure of quantity of information. If a message recipient may expect any one of N possible messages with equal likelihood, then the amount of information conveyed by any one such message is quantified as log2 N bits.
* In geometry the logarithm is used to form the metric for the half-plane model of hyperbolic geometry.
* Many types of engineering and scientific data are typically graphed on log-log or semilog axes, in order to most clearly show the form of the data.
* In inferential statistics, the logarithm of the data in a dataset can be used for parametric statistical testing if the original data do not meet the assumption of normality.
* Musical intervals are measured logarithmically as semitones. The interval between two notes in semitones is the base-21/12 logarithm of the frequency ratio (or equivalently, 12 times the base-2 logarithm). Fractional semitones are used for non-equal temperaments. Especially to measure deviations from the equal tempered scale, intervals are also expressed in cents (hundredths of an equally-tempered semitone). The interval between two notes in cents is the base-21/1200 logarithm of the frequency ratio (or 1200 times the base-2 logarithm). In MIDI, notes are numbered on the semitone scale (logarithmic absolute nominal pitch with middle C at 60). For microtuning to other tuning systems, a logarithmic scale is defined filling in the ranges between the semitones of the equal tempered scale in a compatible way. This scale corresponds to the note numbers for whole semitones. (see microtuning in MIDI).
[edit] Exponential functions
One way of defining the exponential function ex, also written as exp(x), is as the inverse of the natural logarithm. It is positive for every real argument x.
The operation of "raising b to a power p" for positive arguments b and all real exponents p is defined by
b^p = \left( e^{\ln b} \right) ^p = e^{p \ln b }.\,
The antilogarithm function is another name for the inverse of the logarithmic function. It is written antilogb(n) and means the same as bn.
Which still makes no bloody sense to me at all ~ but note the reference to the Richter Scale. Useful if you happen to be in an earthquake and want to know how strong it is I suppose ::) Personally I'd be too busy running the other way.
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Brain Freeze shocked003
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Some mad bloke must have worked it all out... just before they carted him away like... noooo:
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John Napier, a canny Scot whistle:
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Don't forget...
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Ahhhh so basically scientific calculators replaced them
Yes... you looked up the logs then added them up or took them away for amazing scientific answers like...
From memory... were log tables put together for artillery calculations or is that shite like...?
Correctamondo! Distance, height, curvature of the earth, relative humity, wind speed, weight of projectile and charge. They still missed Now they do it with a button push
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Don't forget...
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They had those in the Clarks shop but we couldn't afford to go there and get our feet measured like... noooo:
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Don't forget...
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Happy memories
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jeffzycinski/2008/05/images/abacus.jpg