The Virtual Pub
Come Inside... => Saloon Bar => Topic started by: Nick on January 23, 2009, 10:27:45 AM
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Already PMd a couple of people about this but have decided to post it among friends so that ritual humiliation becomes part of the therapeutic process.
Werked all day Wednesday and failed to eat. Picked the boy up from school, ran him to piano lesson then home and then to swimming in the evening. Mrs Nick supposed to collect him.
Came home, began to get dinner ready and had 2 large glasses of red vino (on empty stomach). Mrs Nick calls to say she has been delayed, so I go to a mile up the road to pick up the Boy.
Rozzers pull me over (faulty brake light). Blow into this sir. Whoops!!
Off to the cop shop, more blowinginto machines. Result? Court appearance in Feb and probable 12-18 month ban plus other shite.
I was caught bang to rights. Mrs Nick of course incandescent with rage scared2:. Will prolly have to flog my car and live in taxis for the next year evil:
I feel like a complete prat! noooo:
Getting some legal advice this mornng (free via professional body helpline) and may then see about solicitor. The rozzers stake out hte village regularly (4 pubs and only one road in an out so easy pickings) and quite a lot of locals have been cuaght. Will check up with a couple of them over the weekend to see what happened to them.
NO excuses, I was over the limit and got caught. Stupid of me
Anyone got any experience or even sensible advice?
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Sorry Nick, no experience and no advice either apart from be upfront and honest about the situation and rely on your previous good character.
You never know.
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Have now had some very pos legal advice. 30 years clean licence (not even a speeding ticket), circumstances in wich I had to go out (can't leave small Boy alone in the dark), modest amount of grovelling. May get minimum stuff. Worst case is fine and some sort of ban noooo:
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I don't think you should be humiliated - it is everyone's worst nightmare... eeek:
There can't be any of us (if we're honest) that hasn't driven after a few drinks... noooo:
Unfortunately, it seems that drinking (like speeding) has been demonised now and the police no longer pursue what we could call 'drunks' in charge of a vehicle but any motorist who happens to be over the arbitrary limit that they've set.
Camping out after chucking out time and pulling any motorist that 'looks suspicious' or has a light out probably does nothing to reduce road deaths but looks fantastic on the statistics...
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You are both too kind sad24:
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I'm pretty sure a ban is compulsory, I'm afraid. Minimum 12 months and probably a £500 fine. What was the reading on the breathalyser?
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I'm pretty sure a ban is compulsory, I'm afraid. Minimum 12 months and probably a £500 fine. What was the reading on the breathalyser?
And how did you get home...?
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The online stuff all says mandatory 12 month ban, which seems clear enough to me, but the solicitor was very keen on a plea in mitigation. I have a neighbour who is a judge. I may seek him out later.
It was 66 btw
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I'm pretty sure a ban is compulsory, I'm afraid. Minimum 12 months and probably a £500 fine. What was the reading on the breathalyser?
And how did you get home...?
WHo me?
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I'm pretty sure a ban is compulsory, I'm afraid. Minimum 12 months and probably a £500 fine. What was the reading on the breathalyser?
And how did you get home...?
WHo me?
Well yes... don't they lock you up 'til you are under the limit or summat...? Shrugs:
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Oh I got a cab back at about 1 in the morning!!
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Oh I got a cab back at about 1 in the morning!!
So when they arrested you did they put the cuffs on and everything...? rubschin:
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You are enjoying this!! No.
1. Blow in blower
2. FAIL
3. Go to cop shop
4. Blow in bigger blower.
5. Wait till reading goes down
5. BLow again
6. Go home.
They were very polite throughout.
Have just spoken my neighbour who is an ex-solicitor, now a judge and has been done TWICE himself. He is coming round here shortly !
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You are enjoying this!! No.
1. Blow in blower
2. FAIL
3. Go to cop shop
4. Blow in bigger blower.
5. Wait till reading goes down
5. BLow again
6. Go home.
They were very polite throughout.
Have just spoken my neighbour who is an ex-solicitor, now a judge and has been done TWICE himself. He is coming round here shortly !
I'm not enjoying it at all... I'm just interested...
So they won't let you go home (in a taxi) until you are under the legal driving limit? What a farce... noooo:
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They said it was in case I fell under a bus. They were very nice about. That's the rools apparently. They gave me a copy of The SUn to 'read' while I waited noooo:
Anyhoo, off to see what the judge has to say.
(Mrs Nick still not happy scared2:)
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Why don't they arrest everybody that comes out of a pub after having a few then... in case they fall under a bus like...? Shrugs:
Or is that what they are planning to do next? Banghead
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Bad luck Nick. Yes you were an arse to risk it but we all gamble some times.
I think you will find we fall on the side of sympathy rather than mirth.
Did the Peelers take steps to ensure the boys safety once you were unable to proceed?
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Thanks DS. Since I was already about 100 yards from home Mrs Nick came to fetch Boy. She was not amused!
Judge just seen. My mate the judge that is. He got a three year ban and nearly went to prison!! He says the 12 months is mandatory with a quarter off if I go on a course. So 9 months noooo:
Mitigating factors affect the fine apparently.
Anyone wanna buy a car?
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Have just discovered that the rozzers had made notes of the numbers of all cars parked near the village pubs that night. Mine was one of them. It was parked there, as Snoopy and Grolwer will know, becuase I live virtually next to the pub. What stupid bad luck!!
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oh Nick - sorry to read about your plight. It's one of those occassions when you just think if only this and if only that.
I know it will be massively inconvenient / expensive not to be able to drive for 9 months at least - but the way that time flies these days that should go by quite quickly hopefully.
Maybe you could employ Growler as your chauffeur and that way it will keep the both of you out of trouble lol:
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eeek:
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Blood hell Nick, you certainly have some bad luck mate, and yes like the previous posts I must confess to having driven after a few pints, thankfully never caught.
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Well, on reflection I have decided to keep my car which we need for holidays and stuff (capacity for Mrs Nick's luggage). She willhave to drive it a couple of times a week to keep it OK. I think it may be a psychological thing for me too. I generally keep my cars till they die and this one has plenty of life left in it yet.
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Sorry to hear of your trouble Nick ~ we have all taken the chance and got away with it.
All you can do is hope your solicitor puts forward a good mitigation plea to keep the fine down. The ban is going to happen.The biggest annoyance will be the increased insurance charges you will face for several years to come.
On the plus side perhaps Mrs Nick will now realise how much running around you have been doing whilst she, to judge from your comments both in this post and others, has been Mrs Unreliable to say the least.
Her rage is probably not unconnected with the inconvenience of having to do it all herself for the next year.(Swimming, Tennis, Music lessons etc etc + Shopping). No doubt other parents will rally round and provide The Boy with lifts to and from and of course we can always come round to you during the summer months.
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Thanks Snoops. To be fair to her she is busy and the running around will still fall to me. I may have to do a deal with the local taxi firm. evil:
No solicitor necessary, as they cost a fortune and can do little. My legal advice is to prepare a biref statement - it minimises the fine.
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Rather than taxis might this be the time to see about some sort of an aupair/cleaning person with a driving license? I know when my Aunt had her license revoked that is what they did.
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Rather than taxis might this be the time to see about some sort of an aupair/cleaning person with a driving license?
eeek:
rubschin:
eyes:
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Rather than taxis might this be the time to see about some sort of an aupair/cleaning person with a driving license? I know when my Aunt had her license revoked that is what they did.
I now learn there is a local guy who does contract driving for this sort of thing. Cheaper than a taxt. Cash in hand, guv. Will have to call him.
The Au Pair idea is appealing eyes: but impractical
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We have spoken Nick, and has already been said and agreed, you've been stupid but probably all of us have in the past and got away with it. I know I have in the dark and distant past, and it makes me shudder now tbh.
Anyway, I'm certainly not going to get on my high morality horse and start bleating about how awful you are. You know where I am, and if I can be of help you only have to call me.
Chin up bud, face the music, and it'll soon be 2010. ;)
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Roll on 2011! Banghead
I am in a marginally better frame of mind, partly thanks to you lot. Still got the court to go to. And Mrs Nick to contend with, of course. noooo:
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Roll on 2011! Banghead
I am in a marginally better frame of mind, partly thanks to you lot. Still got the court to go to. And Mrs Nick to contend with, of course. noooo:
As I've said many times Nick, it's best to get these things off your chest rather than keep them bottled up.
Whilst not wishing to condone drink/driving, it REALLY isn't the end of the world for you getting nicked. Bloody inconvienient yes, but you'll get through it.
If you'd relied on the car for werk, now that would have been a different scenario. That's why if I do have a alcholic drink in the pub, which is very rare now, I'll make sure I've had some scran first, and then only have 1 pint. No licence will mean no job and probably loss of Growler Towers too. Just too damned risky, apart from the moral side of things.
I reckon a 12 month ban...not sure about the rehab course tbh...and a £250 fine.
Learn from it...as I'm sure you already have like... and start drinking J2O's like I do now when I go the boozer. ;)
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In the good old days they would have transported him to Australia eyes:
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In the good old days they would have transported him to Australia eyes:
In the good old days they wouldn't have 'trapped' him and put him through it all... noooo:
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Ay, true BM and a good morning to you Sir.
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In the good old days they would have transported him to Australia eyes:
Think I'd rather 'ave THAT than have to face the wroth of Mrs Nick tbh. scared2:
He is a bearded mouse mind you. ::)
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Think I'd rather 'ave THAT than have to face the wroth of Mrs Nick tbh. scared2:
He is a bearded mouse mind you. ::)
But surely even Mrs Nick (once the initial mushroom cloud has disappeared) will realise that Nick is just as upset about this situation as she is. Recriminations serve no purpose now.
We all make mistakes and errors of judgement. Some have consequences , others we get away with. The ability to learn from these is what we would expect, and should judge people on if they continue to repeat the same behaviours or attitudes. I don't believe this is a mistake Nick will make again (hopefully) . I think most of us when hearing about your situation have thought how easily it could have been any of us at some point .
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Trouble is though MD, she's a wumman, and wimmin tend to harp on about our misdemeanors long long after any indescretion that may befall upon us alledged inferior males.
My drunken rampage damage from 8 years ago still gets dragged up to this day when it suits Mrs G. ::)
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Trouble is though MD, she's a wumman, and wimmin tend to harp on about our misdemeanors long long after any indescretion that may befall upon us alledged inferior males.
My drunken rampage damage from 8 years ago still gets dragged up to this day when it suits Mrs G. ::)
This is true and inevitable I'm afraid - we really should learn to let things go noooo:
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Trouble is though MD, she's a wumman, and wimmin tend to harp on about our misdemeanors long long after any indescretion that may befall upon us alledged inferior males.
My drunken rampage damage from 8 years ago still gets dragged up to this day when it suits Mrs G. ::)
This is true and inevitable I'm afraid - we really should learn to let things go noooo:
Well don't just sit there gassing about it wumman, start a revolution! Banghead
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Think I'd rather 'ave THAT than have to face the wroth of Mrs Nick tbh. scared2:
He is a bearded mouse mind you. ::)
But surely even Mrs Nick (once the initial mushroom cloud has disappeared) will realise that Nick is just as upset about this situation as she is. Recriminations serve no purpose now.
We all make mistakes and errors of judgement. Some have consequences , others we get away with. The ability to learn from these is what we would expect, and should judge people on if they continue to repeat the same behaviours or attitudes. I don't believe this is a mistake Nick will make again (hopefully) . I think most of us when hearing about your situation have thought how easily it could have been any of us at some point .
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We are making the assumption that we are dealing with a reasonable person here. Yes Nick had drunk the wine and should not have been driving BUT Mrs Nick had committed to picking up The Boy and then, at the last minute, decided that she would not be able to, leaving Nick in the position of having to take a chance that he would be OK.
What else could he have done? His first thought was that he didn't want The Boy hanging around, after dark, wondering where his promised lift was. I cannot help but wonder if the rage of Mrs Nick is not allied to a feeling of guilt because she was the one who broke the carefully constructed plan setting in train the sequence of events that end up with poor old Nick being .......... errrrrrrrr ......... Nicked!
Anyway 'tis done now and needs to be mended AND that is not going to be done by throwing a prolonged strop about it. The man needs support not anger from those nearest to him.
An afterthought: Knowing The Boy, as I am privileged to do, I'm willing to bet that this has placed Nick upon his pantheon of heroes. Pulled by the rozzers, carted off to the gaol, held in the cells etc. My two are really impressed although they do see the downside of the lack of a car and I have explained all about the horrors (?) of drinking and driving. whistle:
As for Growler's point ~ My ex wife is still banging on about my alleged failings (whenever she sees our daughter) and we divorced in 1986! BTW her "new" husband (who I refer to as "My Husband in Law") to whom she has now been married for 18 years is just as bad ~ apparently.
My comment to said daughter when told this was "Perhaps she should ask herself how come she picked so unwisely TWICE?" was duly reported back and the feedback is unprintable. "It is not her fault" about sums up the tirade.
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Trouble is though MD, she's a wumman, and wimmin tend to harp on about our misdemeanors long long after any indescretion that may befall upon us alledged inferior males.
My drunken rampage damage from 8 years ago still gets dragged up to this day when it suits Mrs G. ::)
This is true and inevitable I'm afraid - we really should learn to let things go noooo:
Well don't just sit there gassing about it wumman, start a revolution! Banghead
I don't work weekends noooo:
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Trouble is though MD, she's a wumman, and wimmin tend to harp on about our misdemeanors long long after any indescretion that may befall upon us alledged inferior males.
My drunken rampage damage from 8 years ago still gets dragged up to this day when it suits Mrs G. ::)
This is true and inevitable I'm afraid - we really should learn to let things go noooo:
Well don't just sit there gassing about it wumman, start a revolution! Banghead
I don't work weekends noooo:
No ~ her weekend hobby is cleaning the house, tidying the child's room, washing and ironing, baking, cooking, mending anything broken during the week, driving daughter to and from various urgent meetings with little friends and, if she is really lucky, she may even find time for a cup of coffee. ~ well that's what my wife tells me anyway whistle:
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Can I open this up a bit...? rubschin:
When I started driving getting pissed and driving your car was de rigueur, people would always boast about how much they'd drunk and still driven home. Or they'd driven home because they were too pissed to walk... A teacher at my old school was caught completely paralytic, driving the wrong way around a roundabout with his hazard warning lights flashing. How we laughed when he told us that he had them on 'because he was a hazard'. Needless to say he was not banned...
Clearly that situation couldn't continue and I'm sure that many lives were lost because of that attitude.
However, now I feel we've gone too far the other way... drinking drivers have been demonised by PR campaigns and programmes like Road Wars which always show drunks driving across pavements, running down school children etc. followed by the inevitable 'statistics' about how many deaths/accidents are caused as a result of drink...
As a result the Sheeple gladly accept that the drinking limit should be reduced and applaud 'sting' operations like that which apparently caused Nick's arrest (taking down the number plates over everybody parked outside the pub)...
But can we believe the government statistics on all this? On balance and past experience I suspect that the statistics on drinking and driving are as reliable as a twenty year old Skoda - you can't believe anything this lot says... noooo:
I'll bet that the majority of accidents 'involving alcohol' are caused by regular offenders who have alcohol issues - they've probably been banned already but persist in drinking and driving (I know people that fall into this category). Or alcohol is attributed to the cause of an 'accident' which would have happened anyway...
I'll bet that the majority of people that are banned from driving while under the influence of alcohol are people like Nick who have just had a couple of drinks and are perfectly capable of controlling their car. At least his car was taxed and insured and he had a valid driving licence.
I know it is proven that alcohol affects your abilities and the speed of response but lets face it, I reckon even under the influence I can drive a damn site better than the majority of motorists on the road who are too arrogant or simply unable to control their vehicle to drive safely.
Personally, I think the police should be out arresting those that drive without a licence or tax or insurance or in wrecks without MoTs. And obviously anybody who is unable to control their vehicle in an appropriate manner be that through inability, arrogance or the influence of alcohol...
When every car and everybody on the road is legal and all the fuckwits that can't or won't drive within the law are taken off the road (jailed if necessary) and when all the repeat offenders are locked-up then lets look at the statistics and see if there is a reason for arresting otherwise law abiding citizens like Nick who quite frankly have done nothing wrong IMHO.
That is all... redface:
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Agreed!
At any and every accident the "Blow in this tube" business takes place. If a "positive" is obtained it makes no difference that the other party was on the wrong side of the road, driving at twice the speed limit whilst having a row with his wife. The poor old sod toddling home from a small sherry at the vicarage is the one who will end up in court. AND that is how they get their statistics.
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WHat have I started?
I fooked up and have to live with the consequences. We can talk about all kind of pros and cons, and yes, the rozzers do set out to trap people, and do it regularly round here. I have spoken to a number of folks int eh village, all of whom have been 'done' at one time or another and the response is sympathetic, not least because at the other end of the borough (Growler knows where) the streets are alive with violence and untaxed cars. THis place is a soft target.
I know a lot of people who, over the years, have said @I can't recall how I got home.' We have all heard it. My mate S drives daily from pub to pub and Mr G knows another one who does likewise. Both have said to me 'There burt for the grace of god....'
I have regularly driven over the speed limit (on motorways) but never been caught. This time I was targetted.
I have done some research, taken some legal advice, decided on my course of action. Main consequence now will be some continuing GBH Of the earhole, expense on taxis and a lot of inconveninece which I will doubtless find ways around (online shopping being one of them). Public transport hereabouts is crap, so I may have to walk more, or find my old bike noooo:
Thanks again for all your knind words. Watch this space for developments. D Day is Feb 18th, so I have another month of mobility which I shall make maximum use of.
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WHat have I started?
I fooked up and have to live with the consequences. We can talk about all kind of pros and cons, and yes, the rozzers do set out to trap people, and do it regularly round here. I have spoken to a number of folks int eh village, all of whom have been 'done' at one time or another and the response is sympathetic, not least because at the other end of the borough (Growler knows where) the streets are alive with violence and untaxed cars. THis place is a soft target.
I know a lot of people who, over the years, have said @I can't recall how I got home.' We have all heard it. My mate S drives daily from pub to pub and Mr G knows another one who does likewise. Both have said to me 'There burt for the grace of god....'
I have regularly driven over the speed limit (on motorways) but never been caught. This time I was targetted.
I have done some research, taken some legal advice, decided on my course of action. Main consequence now will be some continuing GBH Of the earhole, expense on taxis and a lot of inconveninece which I will doubtless find ways around (online shopping being one of them). Public transport hereabouts is crap, so I may have to walk more, or find my old bike noooo:
Thanks again for all your knind words. Watch this space for developments. D Day is Feb 18th, so I have another month of mobility which I shall make maximum use of.
Does that mean you may come and visit? scared2:
Always welcome as you know.
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This is worth a read IMHO...
When I sent off my photo for my driving licence, it turned out I wasn't allowed to have my hat on. I argued that it was my religion, and I argued that my face made photo booths explode, but they would have none of it. So my driving licence has my face on it.
I've had that licence a long time. It used to be face-free but it's not now. It also used to last as long as I did, but now it expires and I'll have to pay more for a new one, as well as searching out another particularly robust photo booth. I'm not risking my own cameras on this face.
Currently I don't have a car. I have occasionally owned one but I don't really like driving. My licence is pristine, no bans, no endorsements (or whatever they're called now), I just don't like driving. So I don't.
I do like drinking. Much, much more than driving. I won't be drink-driving but I might, once in a while, be drink-blogging and that can be strange. Tonight I'm typing with the aid of Ledaig. It's not illegal yet, not until they bring in blogging licences. If I have to show my real face on this blog, it will attract only the iron-stomached and those attracted to weirdness. Which is okay. Sometimes they're pretty.
But I digress. I've always been mystified by the drink limit for drivers. It's 80 mg. What the hell does that mean? How would I go about checking myself to see if I'm under or over that figure? Let's be honest here - how many people do you suppose have the slightest idea what that figure really means? If you were to say 'two pints', it's equally meaningless. Two pints of 3% beer, two of 5%, two pints of 'Jock McSquirty's Bowel Purger 'at 11%, or two pints of Trappist-brewed 'God's Smiting Ale' (aka Chimay, I forget which colour) at anything up to 14%? Incidentally, that Trappist vow of silence is rubbish. There's no vow. I've tried that stuff and I'm certain the reason they don't speak is because they've forgotten how.
Now it appears that 'most people' think the limit should be cut from 80 to 50 mg. (http://itn.co.uk/news/95c2c0a7e3295dbe756a200bc97636e6.html) To those asked, both figures are meaningless. So they approve of changing one regulation they don't understand to another regulation they don't understand. I expect most responses were a shrug and an 'If you say so'.
Well, if 'most people' say something the Government intended to do anyway, then they'll do it. If most people had said 'No, get lost, raise it or scrap it' then it would have been lowered for our own good anyway. It might not even have been reported.
The case for the Righteous hinges on polls like that, and on statements like these:
Also, 17 per cent of those surveyed admitted that they had driven home after a night out knowing they were probably over the limit.
And 20 per cent said they had got behind the wheel the morning after thinking their blood-alcohol levels were over the limit.
'knowing they were probably' - that's an interesting bit of logic. I know, but only maybe. They didn't know whether they were over the limit or not because they don't understand the limit, and if they did they have no way of measuring it. And yet the phrasing suggests that they must have been blasted, barely able to see, as talkative as a Trappist and driving at 100 mph along back streets.
The other 20 percent, who said they thought they were over the limit next morning, are idiots. If they were, they'd know, They'd feel drunk. It's a different feeling from hungover. And yet that line conjures images of commuters weaving through traffic jams on two wheels, while spilling not a drop from the vodka bottle they swig from as they drive. Look for such suggestion in news reports. It's not hard to spot once you get the hang of it.
Alcohol's effects depend on much more than the 80 mg or 50 mg figure. Those who imbibe often can drink far more than those who have the odd shandy, without being dangerously affected. Some might be safe to drive after five pints, some might be a menace after one. Rather than a fixed limit which doesn't work for everyone, what we need is a sobriety test. A test of capability, not of blood. One that does not require handing over your DNA, which will be stored in one of the Government database storage areas (currently on public transport) whether you are guilty or not.
This government's policies are based on a population of clones, and not very bright clones at that. They cannot recognise that people don't come out of a sausage factory as identical units, no matter how hard they try to make it happen.
The Righteous cannot cope with it at all. They can tell us apart by whether we are dependent on them or not, and that's it. All dependents are the same, all non-dependents are the same. All non-dependents are merely dependents in waiting, all they need to do is figure out how to make it so. There are no differences between individuals in the Righteous mind. Andy Pandy logic works for them.
For those who don't remember, Andy Pandy was a character on a children's show. His friends were Looby Loo and Teddy, and it's not on air any more because they all slept together in a box. Anyway, 'Andy Pandy logic' stems from an episode where they played hide and seek. Ted hid by covering his eyes. His logic was 'if I can't see Andy, then Andy can't see me'. This is the logic of the Righteous.
So if one maniac has a gun, anyone with a gun is a maniac. If someone commits a crime with a knife, anyone with a knife is a criminal. If drug dealers carry large amounts of cash, anyone with a large amount of cash is a drug dealer. (http://devilskitchen.me.uk/2008/10/cash-ill-be-having-that-thank-you.html) If racists don't like immigrants, then anyone who objects to immigration is a racist. And so on.
Therefore, if one person is drunk at 80 mg, then everyone is.
What's worrying is that the Righteous drones really believe they are correct in this. They genuinely believe, just like that stuffed teddy bear, that covering their eyes means they can't be seen. That any connection immediately implies the converse in all situations, always. They see one white man acting racist, and immediately assume that all white men are racists. Men commit rape so all men are rapists.
When the consistency and simplicity of their style is considered, it shows that either they are terminally stupid or extremely clever. The idiotic logic works on so many people, so many times, it is easy to understand why they keep using it.
But then, to assess all the Righteous as stupid or clever is to fall into the trap they have set for us. The trap so many have fallen into: all smokers are evil, all drinkers will drive drunk, all fat people will cost the taxpayer, all Scots are taking English taxes, all Welsh demand Welsh road signs, all Romanians are child traffickers, all Jamaicans are Yardies, all Nigerians are scammers... the logic comes from the Righteous and it is stupid, but they have used it so often it has become part of many people's psyche. I've met people who will curl their lip at anyone who says they are going outside for a smoke. The smoker is filthy and evil even though the lip-curler has never even seen that person smoke. All smokers are devils who want to kill non-smokers with the fumes from Beelzebub's arse. That's how Andy Pandy logic works.
It's not just the Righteous argument that pervades the country. It's the very style of that argument. Unconsciously, people mimic the Righteous and generalise about whole populations on the basis of, often, a single incident. This is where the Righteous are winning. Not in their stupid laws and idiotic arguments, but in changing the very face of logic itself. They have us thinking like them. Unless we fight it, we soon won't be thinking at all.
Not all the Righteous are stupid. The ones we meet day to day are perfectly thick, but they have to be. If they had enough intelligence to question what they were doing, they'd realise they've been had. There are intelligent Righteous but we won't see them often, if at all. Like the Queen at the centre of the ants' nest, they send the stupid ones out to do the dirty work and take the flak while they stay hidden and spawn more drones. They know the logic is wrong. They know it's stupid but they depend on their drones being more stupid, and they know that continual repeating of the stupid makes it eventually accepted. Why? Because, for the most part, people are too lazy to think and are happy to let someone else do it for them.
There is one generalisation it is safe to make. All Righteous are dangerous. Their Andy Pandy logic is taking hold. It will soon be applied to those Iraqi interpreters the Government don't want to let in, because of this case. (http://uk.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUKTRE49F5FD20081016?sp=true) That case can also be used in the war against photographers. Andy Pandy logic will be used to censor the Internet because of this one. (http://uk.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUKTRE49G32H20081017?sp=true) Any single case can be used as proof that anyone engaged in that activity is doing it for criminal reasons.
Poor Andy must be turning in his grave.
I wonder if he and Looby Loo ever... but that's a seriously twisted childhood fantasy. Besides, the result would be so horrible and so dim it would have no choice but to enter Westmonster.
Source (http://leg-iron.livejournal.com/2008/10/17/)
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Driver snatched a bite of her sandwich at the wheel - and had to swallow a £60 fine
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1118186/Driver-snatched-bite-sandwich-wheel--swallow-60-fine.html
But also see this:
The Highway Code lists all of the following as potential distractions:
• Using a mobile phone
• Eating and drinking
• Smoking
• Loud music
• Trying to read maps
• Inserting a CD
• Arguing with passengers or other road users
All of which can be construed as an offence by a Police Officer and attract a fine. Refusal to pay the "On the spot" fine of £60 can result in (i) an appearance in court where the only evidence needed to convict is the word of a single police officer or (ii) the accused being arrested for "obstructing a police officer in the performance of his duty" Which will result in a court appearance on not only the original charge but also a charge of "Obstruction". Again the only evidence needed for a conviction is the word of the police officer.
Conviction normally results in the original fine being doubled and "costs" added. The second offence carries the potential for large fines and/or a term of imprisonment.
Meanwhile as we are all agreed the real villains are laughing all the way to the Costa del Sol. Little old ladies live in fear and 3 people who gang rape a teenage girl with a mental age of 7 and then throw caustic soda over her face and body, scaring her in body and mind for the rest of her life, will be back on the streets in 4 years.
Edit to add: When did anyone here last see a copper pull over a souped up 206 full of Rastas whose music can be heard four streets away? No way will that happen ~ too difficult. Much easier to pick on middle aged men (sorry Nick but you are) and single mums snatching a sandwich in their increasingly busy day.
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Talkin' of fines and getting nicked and stuff, I've not heard anymore from plod regarding my little 'indiscretion' with a speed scamera a couple of months ago.
Not out the woods yet mind. noooo:
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Well ladies and gentlemen the answer is in our hands ~ Police can only police with the consent of the people.
Government can only govern with the consent of the people.
We elected them (OK WE didn't vote for this shower but some bugger must have) and if we don't like what they do then we can damned well unelect them.
Nick is right when he says he made a mistake and must pay for it but the whole can of worms needs looking at very closely and no-one will get my vote unless I hear them saying that they will do the looking and where necessary the correcting.
Hit the streets when the time comes and get like minded people out in force to vote for what we really want.
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... no-one will get my vote unless I hear them saying that they will do the looking and where necessary the correcting.
I have an uneasy feeling that your strategy is flawed. rubschin:
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... no-one will get my vote unless I hear them saying that they will do the looking and where necessary the correcting.
I have an uneasy feeling that your strategy is flawed. rubschin:
I know ~ The only buggers who I can find in agreement with me are the bloody BNP and they come with a lot of other baggage that I don't want either. Banghead
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Have just been to see my local butcher!! Another local who got a three year ban and a rather nasty Community Service thingy ('100 hours of hanging around with pond life' as he put it) That won't apply to me cos he was 4 times over the limit eeek:
He has strongly recommended a solicitor and put me on to his (£230, I saw the bill) and reckons it helped him avoid a lot worse. SO off to Birkenhead again next week to see the brief. noooo:
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Have just been to see my local butcher!! Another local who got a three year ban and a rather nasty Community Service thingy ('100 hours of hanging around with pond life' as he put it) That won't apply to me cos he was 4 times over the limit eeek:
He has strongly recommended a solicitor and put me on to his (£230, I saw the bill) and reckons it helped him avoid a lot worse. SO off to Birkenhead again next week to see the brief. noooo:
Nick. Far be it for me to start querying the benefits of having a solicitor with my numbskull knowledge of such matters, but look mate, joking aside, you are a highly intelligent...albeit daft as a brush...bloke. What exactly can a solicitor do or say in mitigation that you can't?
If he gets your fine reduced from say £500 to £250, so what? You'll have to pay him the difference anyway, and as for reducing the ban, well that's a virtual impossibility. 12 months, end of, unless it can be proven that there were absolute extreme and life threatening dangers for you to be driving. Can't actually think of a case that's gone that way thoough tbqh.
Tell you what. I'll come and represent you FREE OF CHARGE, and then we can become cell mates! lol:
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Thanks Mr G. There is no charge to see the brief. The charge is if he represents me. I am leaving no stone unturned at present. Saw that Jenny this morning by the way. SHe had heard and has resorted to taxis!
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I actually remeber an instance of me having to drive whilst pissed.
Back in 1983 I was the manager of a shop in Northwich, Cheshire, and obviously, the main key holder.
One of my dickhead staff forgot to lock the front door the previous evening (my day off), and plod were doing their rounds at 3am and found the door unlocked, and consequently rang me to come and secure it.
I lived in Frodsham at the time, and had the moral dilema of deciding wheather to drive out there knowing I was over the limit, or facing the full wroth of the management the next day if anything was nicked, with the possibility of being sacked even. eeek:
I took the chance and drove there and back without seeing a soul ...fortunately.
Wonder what would have happened if plod had been waiting for me and sniffed me breath? rubschin:
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You'd have been in the poo, but they are much much stricter nowadays noooo:
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Thanks Mr G. There is no charge to see the brief. The charge is if he represents me. I am leaving no stone unturned at present. Saw that Jenny this morning by the way. SHe had heard and has resorted to taxis!
Now SHE has been taking the piss, quite literally down her gullet in V. LARGE quantities for far too long...and driving to pick her kids up after one of her many afternoon benders.
She can count her lucky stars that she's never been caught, and by you getting nicked, it may just have save the inevitable roasting she was heading for eventually. whistle:
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She admitted as much, and Jim has had a few brushes too. My mate S has not learnt from my experience judging by last night noooo:
Note for non-locals: Like TMR and TEl, Growler and I have developed a few folks in common, like
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She admitted as much, and Jim has had a few brushes too. My mate S has not learnt from my experience judging by last night noooo:
Note for non-locals: Like TMR and TEl, Growler and I have developed a few folks in common, like
Any chance of translating that into English like, confused: as I haven't got the foggiest what you're goin' on about quite frankly? noooo:
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I remember gettin' cautioned by the plod for riding me push bike on crimbo eve in '79 whilst 'under the influence'
Riding in and out of the center white lines and singing at the top of me voice wasn't considered to be safe riding apparently...so he said like. Shrugs:
I just told him I was 'appy, and that that was a very rare occurence, so he let me off providing I walked the bike home.
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She admitted as much, and Jim has had a few brushes too. My mate S has not learnt from my experience judging by last night noooo:
Note for non-locals: Like TMR and TEl, Growler and I have developed a few folks in common, like
Any chance of translating that into English like, confused: as I haven't got the foggiest what you're goin' on about quite frankly? noooo:
Merely pointing out that we are both referring to people who we both know. ::)
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Anyhoooo...
I reckon you'd be wise to get a brief to look after you...
It might cost a few bob but you'd hate to be logging in here from your prison cell after the trial thinking "If only I'd got a brief"... whistle:
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Quite so!
Even if his fee equates to any reduction in fine I can be no worse off noooo:
Mrs Nick in ranting mode again!! redface:
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It's her guilt ~ if you can stand the outburst angry041: tell her to confess it tomorrow after Mass eveilgrin:
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It's her guilt ~ if you can stand the outburst angry041: tell her to confess it tomorrow after Mass eveilgrin:
lol: lol: lol:
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Oh, Mr Snoopy. Bad dog!
Her rant is that I had The Boy in the car. (forget about why)
'YOU ENDANGERED THE LIFE OF MY SON' (note singular possessive)
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Oh, Mr Snoopy. Bad dog!
Her rant is that I had The Boy in the car. (forget about why)
'YOU ENDANGERED THE LIFE OF MY SON' (note singular possessive)
Oh Christ ~ I know all about that one. MY Child when they are good YOUR child when they are not.
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MY child on this occasion when I am the naughty one evil:
John the Butcher is a lot worse off than me in all this. 3 year ban and 100 hours of Community Service (presumably in a yellow jacket) and at the time he was caught he was getting divorced noooo:
I Must buy him a drink sometime!
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MY child on this occasion when I am the naughty one evil:
John the Butcher is a lot worse off than me in all this. 3 year ban and 100 hours of Community Service (presumably in a yellow jacket) and at the time he was caught he was getting divorced noooo:
I Must buy him a drink sometime!
What wonderful menial task/s have they got 'John The Butcher' doin' then ey?
On the blamimg YOU when in sole charge of the sprogs thing, yes, I can relate to that old chestnut too. Bloody wimmin. Banghead
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He was in his shop so couldn't really say a lot. He was very sympathetic and is in far far worse shite than me (he was three times over the limit). It's affected his business and he has to ride a bike back to his bedsit while the doivorce goes through noooo: Not nice at all.
His complaint about hte Community Service (7 hours every SUnday) was the low lifes he has to associate with.
Things could be worse, but this is really getting me down sad24:
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On the court case day appearance, I think it could be highly unwise to mention the fact that you'd got 'The Boy' on board tbqh. ;)
See what Mr 'I'll have yer kecks down over this, and pass me another g&t please' says.
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Well the charge is about driving over the legal limt, Nowt else!
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Things could be worse, but this is really getting me down sad24:
Would you rather we shut TF up talkin' about it like?
Seriously. Don't want to keep reminding you if it's upsetting you like. noooo:
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I'm the one who is keeping the thread going. We may have to let it go quiet, like until there are developments, like
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Well the charge is about driving over the legal limt, Nowt else!
Yea, I know that, but mentioning that you'd got a minor on board due to Mrs Nick not picking him up as mitigation might just back fire on you..... if you get me drift like. ;)
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Let's see what the solicitor says about all that. But if that had been a prob the police would have added some other charge. They can hardly add more once I get to court, like
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Well the charge is about driving over the legal limt, Nowt else!
Yea, I know that, but mentioning that you'd got a minor on board due to Mrs Nick not picking him up as mitigation might just back fire on you..... if you get me drift like. ;)
Two schools of thought on that one. rubschin:
Defence is that you had not realised, in the rush to get to your child, that you had misguidedly driven whilst over the limit. You are very sorry, you will obviously take the lesson to heart and throw yourself upon the understanding and leniency of the court.
The court will either say to themselves "poor b@st@rd ~ in his position I would have done the same" and impose a minimum sentence OR they might (tho' I personally feel it unlikely) take the opposite view and decree that the child would have been safer abandoned in the crisis whilst you sought only to protect your licence and they would then probably call for hanging to be reintroduced.
Only my opinion though.
Personally I'd say keep it simple, speak the absolute truth and don't forget to say how sorry you are several times.
Since you have presumably given a statement to the police, under caution, you cannot now start leaving bits out.
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Let's see what the solicitor says about all that. But if that had been a prob the police would have added some other charge. They can hardly add more once I get to court, like
I'm no legal beagle, but I'm just sayin' I personally wouldn't want to plead mitigation on the grounds that you had to go and pick the boy up. The plod wouldn't charge you for that obviously as that isn't actually breaking the law.
As you say though, see what this solicitor says next week and ignore my ramblings.
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I will pass the solicitor's views on!!
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I'm sort of with Growler on this one, dependant on the judge you get couldn't they stick reckless endangerment of a minor on the bill too?
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Retrospectively?
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No way ~ it has no bearing on the charge.
If the rozzers thought they had the slightest chance of pulling that one off they would have gone for it and claimed two clear-ups rather than the one you are worth. They'd have had a lot more to say about it had they found the Boy wandering home on his own whilst you were sat at home swigging wine.
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I'm sort of with Growler on this one, dependant on the judge you get couldn't they stick reckless endangerment of a minor on the bill too?
What Judge ~ first offence, only marginally over the limit, collecting child in last minute emergency. It'll be magistrates bench only and they will be as kind as they can ~ BUT there is a mandatory minimum that they can hand down and that is a fine and a ban.
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That's right Snoops. And my first legal advice was to plead having to fetch The Boy as a mitigating circumstance
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That's right Snoops. And my first legal advice was to plead having to fetch The Boy as a mitigating circumstance
Well I stand to be corrected then. As I say, just ignore my witterings and do what the 'experts' say. That's what you pay them a pittance for after all.
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I'm sort of with Growler on this one, dependant on the judge you get couldn't they stick reckless endangerment of a minor on the bill too?
What Judge ~ first offence, only marginally over the limit, collecting child in last minute emergency. It'll be magistrates bench only and they will be as kind as they can ~ BUT there is a mandatory minimum that they can hand down and that is a fine and a ban.
You are probably right, I am going off family experience, which on reflection was deffo more than a first offence.
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Wear a nice suit and tie, get a haircut and be sure to use any title (such as Doctor or Professor) you are entitled to.
The worst part of your day will be having to sit with all the scroats appearing in court that day ~ believe me I know.
Oh and the magistrates should be addressed as Sir or Madam ~ Not "Your Honour" or "M'Lud". Don't make speeches, just keep it simple. The police get first say, follow their lead and be polite, correct, truthful and contrite.
If it is any consolation I have been done, donkey's years ago now, and got a 12 month ban.
Story was that I was moving from RAF Quarters to Private Accommodation with my then brand new wife. A mate offered the loan of his car and, fully laden with all our possessions, we set off. 500 yards from the camp gates we drove past a police car sat in a lay by. The Tax Disc (fixed in pace by sellotape) chose that moment to fall to the floor. They followed and pulled me. We retrieved the tax disc and it was current. They asked to see my licence and I produced my service licence so they went onto Insurance. I explained that the car was on loan and gave them the name of the guy who had loaned it to me. On arrival back at camp having unloaded the rozzers were in the Guardroom sipping tea. I was pulled in by the RAF police and informed that my "friend" had admitted that his insurance didn't cover me (named driver only).
The cops were thrilled to fvcking pieces.
"Failing to display a valid Tax Disc" and "Driving without Insurance".
We went to court about a month later. As required in those days I was in full dress uniform.
My defence lawyer (An RAF Officer appointed by the MOD) first tried to object that I had been apprehended and charged on RAF property by the civilian police who actually had no jurisdiction there. That went down like a lead balloon as you can imagine. The Police (who prosecuted in those days) said that since the offence had occurred off base the charges related to that and it didn't matter where I was informed of the charge. The RAF Police had, ipso facto, granted them use of the guardroom for the purpose. The magistrates felt that the defence argument was invalid but did, in fairness, offer to refer it to the next Circuit Bench for them to hear the case. The defence declined that offer. On the offence of Failing to Display the defence was that the police had said that they had seen it fall off the windscreen and that is why they had pulled me over. Therefore I had been displaying a valid disc. The police argued that having seen it fall off they were entitled to say that from that moment until it was replaced I was indeed failing to display. The Bench agreed and found me guilty: Fined £2 (This was in 1966).
The more serious charge of Driving whilst Uninsured came next. You would have thought I had killed HM herself the way the Chairman of Magistrates launched into me. My defence was "I had assumed that anyone who offered to loan me his car could reasonably be assumed, for his own protection if nothing else, to have been confident that, in the event of an accident, insurance would cover any claims. Therefore I had not thought to ask him if I could check his insurance documents before accepting his kind offer. I was therefore pleading guilty to the technical offence but asked that the court consider the circumstances in mitigation". The Chair of the Bench told me that HE would NEVER dream of borrowing a car WITHOUT first ASSURING himself that the owner was fully INSURED. That HE would indeed have DEMANDED to see his friend's insurance documents and that my failure to so do was the HEIGHT OF IRRESPONSIBILITY. Fined £50 (almost a months pay) and banned from driving for 12 months! eeek:
Even the cops were astonished.
As we left court I had to salute the idiot of an Officer sent to "defend" me. I then discovered from the Court Police Officer that before dealing with my case the bench had had 6 RAF lads and a dozen local "Teddy Boys" up before them charged with Riotous Behaviour, Drunk and Disorderly and Assaulting the Police.
It seems the RAF lads had gone on the piss in Wootton Bassett the night before. The local Teds had started taking the mickey and our lads had laid into them. When the rozzers turned up one of our boys had taken three of them out before they got the cuffs on him. The RAF had claimed prior rights over the uniformed boys as they were all due to fly out the next day on active service and the magistrates had been forced to let them go into RAF charge. As the next thing in uniform that the Bench saw was me it was generally reckoned that I copped for everyone's crimes. The lad who loaned me the car was dealt with in absentia after they had dealt with me (he had already left for foreign climes by the time the matter came to court). They charged him with permitting the use of a vehicle without proper insurance. Guilty, Fined £25 and banned for 6 months. His ban was up before he got back.
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Extraordinary tale!!
I shall be wearing a suit!!
Maybe I should join up and get a uniform!
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The moral of my lengthy tale is two fold (i) Don't get smart arsed with the Bench (or allow your solicitor to so do) and (ii) Don't go in looking like somebody they actively hate. Imagine if you were a Wootton Bassett resident and local JP and you had 3500 airmen based five miles up the road ~ mostly determined to get pissed every night and have a fight with the locals or alternatively shag your daughter/wife/sister before going back to camp, whilst by day upwards of 100 very large aircraft (Comets, Hercules, VC10s etc) flew over your house at about 500 feet.
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Extraordinary tale!!
I shall be wearing a suit!!
Maybe I should join up and get a uniform!
I could lend you my mess kit. it is a dashing shade of red eyes:
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Extraordinary tale!!
I shall be wearing a suit!!
Maybe I should join up and get a uniform!
I could lend you my mess kit. it is a dashing shade of red eyes:
That'll be wine coloured then? whistle:
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redface:
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Extraordinary tale!!
I shall be wearing a suit!!
Maybe I should join up and get a uniform!
I could lend you my mess kit. it is a dashing shade of red eyes:
That'll be wine coloured then? whistle:
Actually (I do love that word) Actually, the story goes that the colour red was chosen to disguise the blood splatters from the act of ripping out the live beating heart of your enemy. Blood on your uniform unsettled the chaps and horses who if the saw the blood feared hat you might be injured . I can vouch for that having being involved in unarmed combat with a tin of tuna and cutting my thumb quite badly.
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Seeing solicitor at 2.00
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Good luck, Nick.
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Hope it's useful Nick - all the best
x
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Miss D sent me an x cloud9:
Well he was very cheerful and encouraging. Good man to have on my side
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Miss D sent me an x cloud9:
Well he was very cheerful and encouraging. Good man to have on my side
Good!
What is the 'bottom line' do you think?
X
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Miss D sent me an x cloud9:
Well he was very cheerful and encouraging. Good man to have on my side
Good!
What is the 'bottom line' do you think?
X
Don't tell me you are jealous of Miss D. BM? whistle:
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Miss D sent me an x cloud9:
Well he was very cheerful and encouraging. Good man to have on my side
Good!
What is the 'bottom line' do you think?
X
Don't tell me you are jealous of Miss D. BM? whistle:
redface:
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Miss D sent me an x cloud9:
Well he was very cheerful and encouraging. Good man to have on my side
Good!
What is the 'bottom line' do you think?
X
Don't tell me you are jealous of Miss D. BM? whistle:
redface:
point:
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Miss D sent me an x cloud9:Well he was very cheerful and encouraging. Good man to have on my side
Good!What is the 'bottom line' do you think?X
Don't tell me you are jealous of Miss D. BM? whistle:
Hardly
xoxoxo
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Ban (he reckons he can get it reduced). Fine (will present figures to minimise it). Er, that's it. But he was so CHEERY and positive. I need that at present sad24:
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Miss D sent me an x cloud9:
Well he was very cheerful and encouraging. Good man to have on my side
Good!
What is the 'bottom line' do you think?
X
Ugh. BM sent me an x sick2:
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Miss D sent me an x cloud9:Well he was very cheerful and encouraging. Good man to have on my side
Good!What is the 'bottom line' do you think?X
Don't tell me you are jealous of Miss D. BM? whistle:
Hardly
xoxoxo
lol:
I win!
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Ban (he reckons he can get it reduced). Fine (will present figures to minimise it). Er, that's it. But he was so CHEERY and positive. I need that at present sad24:
Good show! happy088
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Ban (he reckons he can get it reduced). Fine (will present figures to minimise it). Er, that's it. But he was so CHEERY and positive. I need that at present sad24:
Mrs Nick got you walking round the village like char067 yet?
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No one in the Village is bothered. About half have been in the same boat themselves noooo: (It's that kind of place)
Her line is softening a bit
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It could have been worse Nick, you could have been done for doing something daft like this poor bugger.
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Well, since you mention it redface:
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Strangely enough Nick that wouldnt have surprised me. whistle:
By the way that is a church roof the skoda is buried in:
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Part of me is expecting the priest to buy a new car declaring that God gave him a sign. whistle:
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Miss D sent me an x cloud9:
Well he was very cheerful and encouraging. Good man to have on my side
Good!
What is the 'bottom line' do you think?
X
Ugh. BM sent me an x sick2:
point:
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Miss D sent me an x cloud9:
Well he was very cheerful and encouraging. Good man to have on my side
Good!
What is the 'bottom line' do you think?
X
Ugh. BM sent me an x sick2:
point:
Think yourself lucky ~ he's never offered me a X
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It could have been worse Nick, you could have been done for doing something daft like this poor bugger.
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How did she manage to drive up that ladder? rubschin:
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No one in the Village is bothered. About half have been in the same boat themselves noooo: (It's that kind of place)
Her line is softening a bit
It all sounds so positive Nick, having said that I had a vision it would be so. Having ritually drunk the biting water of the fermented distilled potato, inhaled the mind-filling smoke of the skunk and poppy plant, and eaten the bitter cactus buttons of enlightenment, I fell into a vision state, and that is what was vouchsafed unto me by the speakers of the spirit world. I was going to tell you earlier, but I was so spaced out I forgot, Dementia my beloved said that I should stick to Earl Grey
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As you are now a "Seer " GOS any chance of the lottery numbers this week ...I have so many things I need ;D
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eyes: I may have to bribe a Lord to decriminalise my favourite brand of skunk, if I snort enough Earl Grey and see the numbers I'll e-mail you from the Maldives
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Oi! This is getting off topic evil:
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Ban (he reckons he can get it reduced). Fine (will present figures to minimise it). Er, that's it. But he was so CHEERY and positive. I need that at present sad24:
How's he reckon that one will werk then?
Astonishing if he pulls it off, and very very rare. Can't really remember a case with that sort of outcome tbqh. noooo:
Don't want to sound all gloomy and pissin' on yer chips like, just an observation. Just don't get all carried away and excited like.
I DON'T want tears if it all goes tits up and you get the mandatory that's all, but obviously like the rest, we wish you the best of luck. happy088
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Oi! This is getting off topic evil:
Pot ...Kettle lol:
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I know not of what she burbles evil:
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Goats , frogs ......and the list goes on whistle:
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Goats , frogs ......and the list goes on whistle:
Not forgetting badgers and donkeys. noooo:
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Goats , frogs ......and the list goes on whistle:
Not forgetting badgers and donkeys. noooo:
If we are listing the victims of cataclysNick events this will go on infinitum point:
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Haven't been able to get on for a while, so didn't see this until today.
I too was 'done' a few years ago, stopped because my passenger was not wearing his seat belt & I hadn't noticed. I stupidly thought I was ok after having a few halves but my reading was 53, the pass being 35.
Arrested on the Thursday night & in court the following Tuesday.
Chap in front of me was the same, he used the court solicitor and got an 18 month ban £1500 fine. I didn't and got a years ban & £1000 fine (probably because I appeared to be terrified to be there and didn't make any excuses). Both bans reduced by 3 months if you went on the drink awareness course, which is worth doing.
On the plus side, I was a lot fitter at the end of the ban.
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So the solicitor made it worse eeek:
Yikes
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It might just be me, but yes I think so.
The solicitor waffled on making excuses for the client & I think they had heard them all before. I just admitted it and said I was terrribly sorry & trembled a bit. They may have taken pity on me but I doubt it.
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Prolly cos you are a gerl. I have decided I deffo want the solicitor there, just to hold my hand,like
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I was going to offer to do that ~ 'cos you'll need someone to drive you there and home again afterwards.
But if you would rather pay someone £65 an hour for an undefined period of time whilst you hang about waiting for your case to be called, who will then lash up the case to make himself feel important and not get your fine or ban reduced any further because the court will take the view that you have brought along a brief to defend what to them is an open and shut matter ~ that is up to you.
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I'm with Snoops on this one. If there is a chance he can get you off on a technicality then fine, but if not you are only wasting time & money.
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Well he's the guy someone I know used and came highly recommended. I want someone there!
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Your summons, when it arrives, will probably require you to attend the court at 10am. That is the usual start time for all magistrates courts. Your solicitor will have no more idea than you how many cases are to be dealt with before yours. You may be first up or you may be last. You will not know until the Court Usher tells you or you read the list pinned to the court entrance. Your solicitor, rather like a taxi, will turn on his meter as he leaves his office and not switch it off again until he gets back behind his desk. If your case is not called until the afternoon he will also charge for his lunch. He will bill you for every minute of the day spent on your case.
The court have no option other than to impose a 12 month ban (first offence, not a long way over the limit etc means they will not be looking to increase that). You will get the option to speak in your own mitigation or to make a statement to the court, it will be more impressive coming from you than from someone who the court knows is paid to lie. They will offer you a reduction of three months on the ban if you agree to attend the, tedious and not very pleasant but soon over, course. You will, of course, accept this option. They will impose a fine. You can hardly plead poverty but you can ask for time to pay if you feel you need to. The usher will guide you to where you have to stand and indicate to you when you may leave. End of your day out.
I am happy to accompany you or I am sure Growler would do so. We don't charge.
Cases that WILL be heard before you will involve anyone being held in custody either by the police overnight or being brought in by prison service vans. After that it is at the whim of the court how they deal with the cases due to be heard that day. Usually the court manager will post the list before the doors open, some do it by alphabetical order, others by their estimate of how long it will take the bench to deal with each case.
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Thanks Snoops, and for your kind offer. I have thought carefully and still intend to get legal help. End of.
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Thanks Snoops, and for your kind offer. I have thought carefully and still intend to get legal help. End of.
Snoopy is right you know.
Still if you feel like spending out on things that might make it better, perhaps it is time to invest in a De-Luxe Lucky Turnip. ;D
Normally £50 but as you are a mate, £45 for cash. ;)
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Or a lucky fig... off my tree like... whistle:
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Or a lucky fig... off my tree like... whistle:
If you are doing the plumbing at Villa Baldi can you afford to give up any lucky charms? whistle:
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Just had a letter from the solicitor. Their bill is a flat fee for everything up to the end of the case: £275
Not bad I think
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Or a lucky fig... off my tree like... whistle:
If you are doing the plumbing at Villa Baldi can you afford to give up any lucky charms? whistle:
I don't need luck young man - just tubes of filler and mastic like... whistle:
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Just had a letter from the solicitor. Their bill is a flat fee for everything up to the end of the case: £275
Not bad I think
Is that "Or part thereof"? lol:
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Or a lucky fig... off my tree like... whistle:
If you are doing the plumbing at Villa Baldi can you afford to give up any lucky charms? whistle:
I don't need luck young man - just tubes of filler and mastic like... whistle:
Pipes to the left of me
Pipes to the right of me
Pipes all around me
Damn the instructions, full steam ahead....
scared:
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Just had a letter from the solicitor. Their bill is a flat fee for everything up to the end of the case: £275
Not bad I think
Is that "Or part thereof"? lol:
Ho ho!
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Just had a letter from the solicitor. Their bill is a flat fee for everything up to the end of the case: £275
Not bad I think
Is that "Or part thereof"? lol:
Yes, if he was a real 'pro' he'd be quoting part thereof pricing... whistle:
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Just had a letter from the solicitor. Their bill is a flat fee for everything up to the end of the case: £275
Not bad I think
Special deal.
I will do you 8 Lucky Turnips for the same price, including P&P.
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The decision has been made and Nick will be taking his solicitor. It's what he is comfortable with and feels happiest doing.
We can take the mick but none of us will be up there in the stand...and I don't know that I wouldn't want a bit of back up in that situation - even if I am holding my hands up to the charges
Miss Demeanor 11:47:15 AM Posting in Mr Nick is a very naughty boy.
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No argument from me Miss D
But as Nick says in a previous post he is the one who is keeping this going.
Our p*ss taking is all part of the process of helping him though it. I don't think anyone is trying to change his mind anymore and, as discussed with him on the 'phone, he has my full support (which may explain the way he is walking today).
If Nick wants to let the whole thing drop he knows I would lock the thread at his request.
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Ooh no. I have to post regular bulletins like. It keeps me sane!
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No argument from me Miss D
But as Nick says in a previous post he is the one who is keeping this going.
Our p*ss taking is all part of the process of helping him though it. I don't think anyone is trying to change his mind anymore and, as discussed with him on the 'phone, he has my full support (which may explain the way he is walking today).
lol: lol: lol:
So he was still with you this morning then eh rubschin:
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Have to agree with miss d. It's Nick's decision.
£275 (excluding VAT I assume)
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Correct Mort
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Have to agree with miss d. It's Nick's decision.
£275 (excluding VAT I assume)
+VAT + Expenses... whistle:
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+VAT. No other expenses
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I can hear the rattle of calculators coming in from all over the country as I type lol:
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+VAT. No other expenses
Lucky they put the ol' VAT down to 15% then Nick eh lad? happy088
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To save you all the bother it werks out at 316.25 with VAT
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To save you all the bother it werks out at 316.25 with VAT
Turnips are 0-rated. eyes:
I have to post regular bulletins like. It keeps me sane!
I think "It maintains my current level of sanity" would be more accurate.
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To save you all the bother it werks out at 316.25 with VAT
Is there any VAT on the fine they give you...? That really would be a bastard! eeek:
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No, and that is what I have to minimise. My accountant is working on it like whistle:
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No, and that is what I have to minimise. My accountant is working on it like whistle:
self employed - ban would severely restrict ability to earn etc etc.
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Yup, solicitor took all those details whistle:
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You can do no more but wait (BTW have you fixed the brake light?)
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You can do no more but wait (BTW have you fixed the brake light?)
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Yes I have! evil:
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Change your car ~ The "bussies" have your number now and will stop you every time they see it ~ 'specially if they think you "got away with it"
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Have to agree with miss d. It's Nick's decision.
£275 (excluding VAT I assume)
Crikey, I didn't know they imposed VAT for dispensing justice eeek:
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No, I will not change my car until I am ready. I shall have to be more careful in future, and since I never ever want to go through this again, I will be.
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Have to agree with miss d. It's Nick's decision.
£275 (excluding VAT I assume)
Crikey, I didn't know they imposed VAT for dispensing justice eeek:
That's the solicitor's fee!
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Ahhh, is that why it is only the rich that can afford justice?
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What is justice in this country anyway?
It certainly is not what you and I thought we were fighting for.
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It could have been a lotmore. There is a guy in Manchester (he seems to be well know round here) who charges £5K and famously ties the police up in knots. You are almost guaranteed to get off, as one of my neighbours did when they used him. noooo:
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There are loads of them out there;
http://www.motoring.marymonson.co.uk/index.php?gclid=CNyov7uxsZgCFQ0zQgoddQzRVA
http://www.motoringoffences.com/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=cs&gclid=CKKfhNixsZgCFQtbQgodvCaSUA
http://www.motoringlaw.co.uk/?gclid=CMbtjOKxsZgCFQxHQwodJ16HUw
What charges they claim to get you off is incredible. eeek:
Have a look at the sites Nick ~ some offer a free consultation and even use an 0800 number ~ what could possibly etc?
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Thanks, but I have a solicitor and I am not going to spend time getting lots of other legal advice. It all amounts to the same thing in the end
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I watched one of those many police reality TV shows a couple of nights ago. A chap had run out of fuel and was walking to the nearest petrol station can in hand to get a refill. The police saw him and kindly gave him a lift. Not sure if the ran him back to his car but they smelt alcohol on his breathe. They didn't warn him against driving but radioed to another police car up the road to look out for for him.
Of course the guy drove past and the police followed him to a petrol station where they arrested him for drink-driving.
Bastards!
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Bastards is a word I have heard a lot of round here in thelast few days. Everyone knows that they stake out this village noooo:
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What is justice in this country anyway?
It certainly is not what you and I thought we were fighting for.
Christ Snoops I was only fighting for the T shirt mate eyes:
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And I was only doing it to save my arse, at the time that is. Queen and Country didn't really come into my mind.
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I watched one of those many police reality TV shows a couple of nights ago. A chap had run out of fuel and was walking to the nearest petrol station can in hand to get a refill. The police saw him and kindly gave him a lift. Not sure if the ran him back to his car but they smelt alcohol on his breathe. They didn't warn him against driving but radioed to another police car up the road to look out for for him.
Of course the guy drove past and the police followed him to a petrol station where they arrested him for drink-driving.
Bastards!
Have you noticed how they are all smiley, jokey and nice and friendly like, in front of the cameras when nicking people?
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And I was only doing it to save my arse, at the time that is. Queen and Country didn't really come into my mind.
[/quote ;D And the buggers hadn't even introduced themselves.
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Have you noticed how they are all smiley, jokey and nice and friendly like, in front of the cameras when nicking people?
You mean they're putting on an act? <gasp>
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My brother runs a club in ......... (names not given to protect the innocent)
He recently had cause to 'eject' a person from the club as he was being aggressive and rude to the staff - completely and utterly bladdered eeek:
Turns out he was an off duty Inspector in the xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx police dept.
my brother is now being prosecuted for assault even though they have the CCTV from the club to show how this bloke behaved.
It is with the CPS at the moment - you would hope they would see sense - we shall see noooo:
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I watched one of those many police reality TV shows a couple of nights ago. A chap had run out of fuel and was walking to the nearest petrol station can in hand to get a refill. The police saw him and kindly gave him a lift. Not sure if the ran him back to his car but they smelt alcohol on his breathe. They didn't warn him against driving but radioed to another police car up the road to look out for for him.
Of course the guy drove past and the police followed him to a petrol station where they arrested him for drink-driving.
Bastards!
Have you noticed how they are all smiley, jokey and nice and friendly like, in front of the cameras when nicking people?
They are always like that unless the person they are arresting is putting up a fight. The laughing is their showing pleasure at getting another notch on their handcuffs. Any copper who does not hit his target for arrests gets it in the neck from high up so they are incentivised to catch people. Doesn't matter what for ~ it all counts as "clear up"
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I watched one of those many police reality TV shows a couple of nights ago. A chap had run out of fuel and was walking to the nearest petrol station can in hand to get a refill. The police saw him and kindly gave him a lift. Not sure if the ran him back to his car but they smelt alcohol on his breathe. They didn't warn him against driving but radioed to another police car up the road to look out for for him.
Of course the guy drove past and the police followed him to a petrol station where they arrested him for drink-driving.
Bastards!
Have you noticed how they are all smiley, jokey and nice and friendly like, in front of the cameras when nicking people?
They are always like that unless the person they are arresting is putting up a fight. The laughing is their showing pleasure at getting another notch on their handcuffs. Any copper who does not hit his target for arrests gets it in the neck from high up so they are incentivised to catch people. Doesn't matter what for ~ it all counts as "clear up"
In real time, or just on telly like?
Never been arrested so I wouldn't personally know like. noooo:
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Have you noticed how they are all smiley, jokey and nice and friendly like, in front of the cameras when nicking people?
You mean they're putting on an act? <gasp>
Yea yea, I know, hard to fathom out I know, but there again, I am a bit of an old cynic...apparently,alledgedly, so they say like. ::)
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Most coppers of my aquaintance treat it all as a bit of a laugh between themselves and try quite hard to keep a straight face when dealing with the public. Real Criminals they treat differently but your average middle aged speeder or drink driver is more likely, if co-operative, to get a smile and a bit of banter. What they don't like is arguments. What they do like is "Yes sir, sorry sir, anything you say sir". Arse kissing is an art that they are forced to practice daily on their superiors and they like to get a bit back.
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The cops who got me were perfectly polite and professional. Mind you, I took care to be bloody polite to them!
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The cops who got me were perfectly polite and professional. Mind you, I took care to be bloody polite to them!
I've just been extremely rude to one of my (now ex) customers.
2 weeks of pent up frustration blown out in the local Saab showroom in 30 seconds.
Sweet. cloud9:
Any soft sod can werk for nothing, and that in essence just what I've been doing for them
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A new refreshingingly tolerant Growler.
whistle:
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My brother runs a club in ......... (names not given to protect the innocent)
He recently had cause to 'eject' a person from the club as he was being aggressive and rude to the staff - completely and utterly bladdered eeek:
Turns out he was an off duty Inspector in the xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx police dept.
my brother is now being prosecuted for assault even though they have the CCTV from the club to show how this bloke behaved.
It is with the CPS at the moment - you would hope they would see sense - we shall see noooo:
I'd suggest 'leaking' the story to the media. After all, as long as your Brother followd all the regulations with regards to removing drunken and abusive patrons then you have a clear cut story of abuse of police power. The kind of story that sells news.
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yep - that is already in Hand GM - as is a tit fo tat prosecution against the officer noooo:
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Well to prepare, like, I decided to use Tesco Online for the week's shopping like. A bit more expert than last time I used it, but I seem to have accidentally purchased 4 kilos of figs evil:
I am not short of pears either evil:
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Well to prepare, like, I decided to use Tesco Online for the week's shopping like. A bit more expert than last time I used it, but I seem to have accidentally purchased 4 kilos of figs evil:
I am not short of pears either evil:
eeek:
No doubt you'll become a regular online shopper
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Well to prepare, like, I decided to use Tesco Online for the week's shopping like. A bit more expert than last time I used it, but I seem to have accidentally purchased 4 kilos of figs evil:
I am not short of pears either evil:
eeek:
No doubt you'll become a regular online shopper
He could lose his licence for excess speed in his digestive Transit as well.
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Well to prepare, like, I decided to use Tesco Online for the week's shopping like. A bit more expert than last time I used it, but I seem to have accidentally purchased 4 kilos of figs evil:
I am not short of pears either evil:
eeek:
4kgs of figs !!!!
You won't be needing the worm tablets Nick lol:
Figs are yuk by the way sick2:
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Well to prepare, like, I decided to use Tesco Online for the week's shopping like. A bit more expert than last time I used it, but I seem to have accidentally purchased 4 kilos of figs evil:
I am not short of pears either evil:
eeek:
No doubt you'll become a regular online shopper
drumroll:
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Well to prepare, like, I decided to use Tesco Online for the week's shopping like. A bit more expert than last time I used it, but I seem to have accidentally purchased 4 kilos of figs evil:
I am not short of pears either evil:
eeek:
No doubt you'll become a regular online shopper
drumroll:
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Well to prepare, like, I decided to use Tesco Online for the week's shopping like. A bit more expert than last time I used it, but I seem to have accidentally purchased 4 kilos of figs evil:
I am not short of pears either evil:
eeek:
4kgs of figs !!!!
You won't be needing the worm tablets Nick lol:
Figs are yuk by the way sick2:
I like figs ~ figs however do not seem to like my diabtetes medication eeek:
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My brother runs a club in ......... (names not given to protect the innocent)
He recently had cause to 'eject' a person from the club as he was being aggressive and rude to the staff - completely and utterly bladdered eeek:
Turns out he was an off duty Inspector in the xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx police dept.
my brother is now being prosecuted for assault even though they have the CCTV from the club to show how this bloke behaved.
It is with the CPS at the moment - you would hope they would see sense - we shall see noooo:
Just spoken to my brother - the CPS have dropped all charges and the police are bringing misconduct charges against the officer - finally sanity prevails happ096
The police have contacted him today and said they hope it hasn't their good working relationship happy001
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Jolly good. One fo the village professional drinkers (Growler may well know who I refer to) has bought a small runabout as an 'incognito car' to avoid detection by the rozzers. She is clearly nuts!
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Jolly good. One fo the village professional drinkers (Growler may well know who I refer to) has bought a small runabout as an 'incognito car' to avoid detection by the rozzers. She is clearly nuts!
Yea, like that'll make all the difference when she gets pulled over for driving whilst tanked up. ::)
Sooner she gets caught, the better....for everyones sake and safety, including her own.
Shall I 'bubble' her? rubschin:
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eeek: The masked avenger strikes again!!!!!
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Well. It's D Day in the morning. There with solicotr at 9.30. Figures all ready.
We shall see.
Mrs Nick has calmed down a bit now.
It should be over quickly.
See you all anon!
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It's not going to be good news Nick but I hope that it is not too severe scared2:
Good luck
x
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Well. It's D Day in the morning. There with solicotr at 9.30. Figures all ready.
We shall see.
Mrs Nick has calmed down a bit now.
It should be over quickly.
See you all anon!
Keep smiling old chap ~ and remember, if you drop your soap in the showers ..... leave it there. whistle:
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Good luck Nick. Do they supply wifi in the police cells?
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Good luck Nick. Do they supply wifi in the police cells?
lol: lol: lol:
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Good luck Nick.
Have you suggested to your solicitor that a plea of insanity may be in order?
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<Serious head mode on>
Don't forget to switch you f'ing mobile off before you go into court and be prepared to have to pass through a metal detector as you enter the court building
<serious head mode off>
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<Serious head mode on>
Don't forget to switch you f'ing mobile off before you go into court and be prepared to have to pass through a metal detector as you enter the court building
<serious head mode off>
The detector will be set off by the steel plate in his head anyway. ::)
Leave the Swiss Army Knife behind as well.
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<Serious head mode on>
Don't forget to switch you f'ing mobile off before you go into court and be prepared to have to pass through a metal detector as you enter the court building
<serious head mode off>
The detector will be set off by the steel plate in his head anyway. ::)
Then he should be prepared for a full body search unless, like me, he carries an approved document explaining why he will set off a metal detector and even then I have to go through the "Please come this way" routine at airports and court buildings.
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<Serious head mode on>
Don't forget to switch you f'ing mobile off before you go into court and be prepared to have to pass through a metal detector as you enter the court building
<serious head mode off>
The detector will be set off by the steel plate in his head anyway. ::)
Then he should be prepared for a full body search unless, like me, he carries an approved document explaining why he will set off a metal detector and even then I have to go through the "Please come this way" routine at airports and court buildings.
eeek: eeek:
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Exactly surrender:
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I am resigned to my fate surrender:
¬¬All is organised, and Mrs Nick suddenly discovers that she can take the Boy to school each day. Why did that never happen before? rubschin:
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Because she wasn't paying for a taxi before. ::)
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The costs are gong down!
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The costs are gong down!
rubschin:
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How many taxis could one get for £2000? rubschin:
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Nick and Mrs Nick enjoy a trip out
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Can you get carpets with stabilisers for The Boy or will there be a mini drag along carpet after the main carpet? rubschin:
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Bastards!! Angry9:
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angel1
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Everyone is being horrid (except those kind ones who have PMd me who shall be rewarded)
sad24:
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With what ? - I need to know the rewards to decide if it's worth a PM lol:
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I am resigned to my fate surrender:
¬¬All is organised, and Mrs Nick suddenly discovers that she can take the Boy to school each day. Why did that never happen before? rubschin:
TBH I wouldn't stand the taxi down just yet Nick ~ it was Mrs Nick's offer to do a single "Boy run" that got you into this mess in the first place as I recall. Can she be relied upon daily for 9 months?
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I await my awards. cloud9:
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I've given you the clap.
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I await my awards. cloud9:
Creep... ::)
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You don't know what I said in my pm!
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You don't know what I said in my pm!
I can guess... sick2:
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You don't know what I said in my pm!
Did you offer to be his chauffeur ?????
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I await my awards. cloud9:
Creep... ::)
BM is right, I never thought a Surrey girl was so cheap...the bitches certainly weren't when I was trying to pot the pink.
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I await my awards. cloud9:
Creep... ::)
BM is right, I never thought a Surrey girl was so cheap...the bitches certainly weren't when I was trying to pot the pink.
lol: lol: lol:
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Supportive PMs flood in. Amzing how many patrons have been done!
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I await my awards. cloud9:
Creep... ::)
BM is right, I never thought a Surrey girl was so cheap...the bitches certainly weren't when I was trying to pot the pink.
The tone is really going down here noooo:
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Supportive PMs flood in. Amzing how many patrons have been done!
When you say flood...? ::)
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I already offered you my support but you didn''t think it would fit evil:
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Patrons here can (in some cases) be very kind
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Patrons here can (in some cases) be very kind
Don't you have to be cruel to be kind...? rubschin:
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Any hoo. soooooooooooooot ready, bits of paper, all set (oh, onion in pocket)
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Nothing to worry about Nick ~ BTW did I tell you I once got banged up for 28 days?
Remind me when you get out and we can compare notes.
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I've given you the clap.
Well that may help keep Nick safe in the showers.. whistle:
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I've given you the clap.
Well that may help keep Nick safe in the showers.. whistle:
And you can go and fook off
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Sorry Nick I couldn't resist.
In all seriousness, good luck for tomorrow.
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Sorry Nick I couldn't resist.
In all seriousness, good luck for tomorrow.
Thank you
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Place a Corby Trouser press in the North East or anxiety corner of your cell, this will bring you inner peace and smooth out your worries cloud9:
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How many taxis could one get for £2000? rubschin:
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. Angry9:
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Supportive PMs flood in. Amzing how many patrons have been done!
I haven't sent you one cus you're a twonk. ::)
12 months, £150. Take it on the chin like a true mouse.
I will be thinking of you though, you tithead. xxx...manly sort of kisses
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Very best of luck Nick.
You've made no excuses here, you haven't given any sob stories, you accept that it was wrong. I would hope that if you follow that line in court, the court will take all this into consideration when determining the length of ban and fine
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The big day arrives!
What JOM said.
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Well. It's D Day in the morning. There with solicotr at 9.30. Figures all ready.
The time is now upon us. We shall have a criminal amongst the ranks shortly. cloud9:
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Well. It's D Day in the morning. There with solicotr at 9.30. Figures all ready.
The time is now upon us. We shall have a criminal amongst the ranks shortly. cloud9:
We shall have another criminal amongst the ranks . . .
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Another one ;)
Growler - why aren't you in the public gallery shouting for a public hanging / flogging just for ruggate alone lol:
Seriously though - hope they are 'reasonable' given the circumstances
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Another one ;)
Growler - why aren't you in the public gallery shouting for a public hanging / flogging just for ruggate alone lol:
Seriously though - hope they are 'reasonable' given the circumstances
Of course we all wish him well. It was a stupid error of judgement and he has kicked himself enough as well as taking our jibes.
Nobody was hurt thank goodness and he will have a lighter wallet and a year of inconvenience but that is all.
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Another one ;)
Growler - why aren't you in the public gallery shouting for a public hanging / flogging just for ruggate alone lol:
Seriously though - hope they are 'reasonable' given the circumstances
I hope he gets 6 months detention in a bastard RUG factory, and a 2 bloody unbelievable thousand pound fine. point:
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He's out. Just rang me. I'll let him tell you what happened when he gets back. ;)
He's currently sipping coffee in Chester as though nowt's happened. lol:
Anyway, place your bets now ladies and gents.
How much was he fined competition commences!
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To a man of his wealth it is a pittance ~ however much it is.
PS I'll give him £50 for his old banger ~ now he doesn't need it like.
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He's out. Just rang me. I'll let him tell you what happened when he gets back. ;)
He's currently sipping coffee in Chester as though nowt's happened. lol:
Anyway, place your bets now ladies and gents.
How much was he fined competition commences!
You are a tease evil:
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YOU BASTARD GROWLER!!!!! angry041:
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YOU BASTARD GROWLER!!!!! angry041:
Correct. happy088
Next insult at your leisure, please. lol:
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You're in the right Growler.
It's up to Nick to tell us (or not)
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You're in the right Growler.
It's up to Nick to tell us (or not)
cloud9:
I could tell you and have a ball, but it really wouldn't be fair like. noooo:
Quantanamo Bay is but a mere flight away. lol:
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I'll give him £50 for his old banger
Is he getting divorced as well then?
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Oooooo Mrs Nick is sooooo gonna git you!
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Well Mrs Nick may need someone to yell at if Nick gets banged up Wenchy. Darwin has just unwittingly provided that service. whistle:
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Afternoon all.
Well, that was not half as awful as I feared. Got there at 9.15. Met solicitor who did some more work on my accountant's figures. Called first at 10. CHarge read out. Stood up and said Guilty. Solicitor does his stuff (about 1 minute). Bitof chuntering amongst the magistrates.
12 month ban and £200 fine.
Could have been worse.
I was in there for all of three minutes.
Mrs Nick ran me into Chester and then took the Boy swimming. She seems unfazed by the outcome, in part becuase she learned first thing that one of her students (' nice smiley lad') was run over by a bus yesterday and killed.
Kind of puts my woes into perspective.
Thanks again for all your kind words..
PS Jolly glad to have the solicitor there. I was amazed at the spin he put on the whole thing. I managed to avoid telling him that the local Judge told me some gossip about him too!!
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Not bad at all really!
So taxi for one from now on then!
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So when you say Mrs Nick ran you into Chester ~ presumably attached to the rear of her car by a rope?
Sad about her student though.
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Not bad at all really!
So taxi for one from now on then!
I have largely sorted out transport arrangements
Shopping?: Tesco online
Going away with werk? Taxi to station or airport and claim on expenses
School runs?: Mrs Nick or taxi (c.£20 a week)
Swimming (The Boy); His GF goes so they will take and collect
I shall adjust!
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Not bad at all really!
So taxi for one from now on then!
I have largely sorted out transport arrangements
Shopping?: Tesco online
Going away with werk? Taxi to station or airport and claim on expenses
School runs?: Mrs Nick or taxi (c.£20 a week)
Swimming (The Boy); His GF goes so they will take and collect
I shall adjust!
You will probably find you save a fortune and actually don't need a second car at all.
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Afternoon all.
Well, that was not half as awful as I feared. Got there at 9.15. Met solicitor who did some more work on my accountant's figures. Called first at 10. CHarge read out. Stood up and said Guilty. Solicitor does his stuff (about 1 minute). Bitof chuntering amongst the magistrates.
12 month ban and £200 fine.
Could have been worse.
I was in there for all of three minutes.
Mrs Nick ran me into Chester and then took the Boy swimming. She seems unfazed by the outcome, in part becuase she learned first thing that one of her students (' nice smiley lad') was run over by a bus yesterday and killed.
Kind of puts my woes into perspective.
Thanks again for all your kind words..
PS Jolly glad to have the solicitor there. I was amazed at the spin he put on the whole thing. I managed to avoid telling him that the local Judge told me some gossip about him too!!
Not bad at all Nick.
Shame about Mrs Nicks student
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Not bad at all really!
So taxi for one from now on then!
I have largely sorted out transport arrangements
Shopping?: Tesco online
Going away with werk? Taxi to station or airport and claim on expenses
School runs?: Mrs Nick or taxi (c.£20 a week)
Swimming (The Boy); His GF goes so they will take and collect
I shall adjust!
A fair result Nick
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And thank you old chap for your kind PM. Shall I post you some cake?
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Glad you didn't get dealt with too harshly Nick...
I still think it is outrageous that the pigs should have arrested you and sent you to court at all - bastards! cussing:
I withheld such comments until the trial in case the judge was a regular reader.... whistle:
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My solicitor told some amazing porkies!
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And i'll buy you a beer Nick - you must be relieved it is all over happy088
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No one has asked what gossip I heard about my solicitor evil:
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My solicitor told some amazing porkies!
"Mr. Nick is an honest and upstanding member of society"? point:
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He too may be a regular here eeek:
Anywhoo ~ you know we are not ones for talking about people behind their backs
Oh Go on then ~ giz the lowdown.
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My mate the judge said that the solicitor was married and played golf weekly with his 'best friend'. This all came to a halt when the solicitor ran off with the best friend's daughter (20 years his junior) and descibed unto me as 'a big girl' eyes:
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My mate the judge said that the solicitor was married and played golf weekly with his 'best friend'. This all came to a halt when the solicitor ran off with the best friend's daughter (20 years his junior) and descibed unto me as 'a big girl' eyes:
Big... as in ( @ Y @ ) eyes:
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I believe so
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Phwoar!
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Phwoar!
Seconded... happy088
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Thats ok then - as long as he hadn't lost his marbles and run off with his best mates daughter who had small tits ::)
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Exactly what I thought!!
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Thats ok then - as long as he hadn't lost his marbles and run off with his best mates daughter who had small tits ::)
As if...? noooo:
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And thank you old chap for your kind PM. Shall I post you some cake?
Oh ok! It's a lot better than the offer to see your puppies I suppose.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/article5769343.ece
It seems that many of us will soon be joining Mr Nick. evil:
How close is 'too close' when passing a cyclist?
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Mrs Nick has 9 points for speeding (HOW?) Three more and she is grounded.
She is off out later scared2:
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Police will be much less likely to give verbal warnings and will instead issue fixed-penalty notices for minor offences such as failing to signal, passing too close to a cyclist or not displaying lights at night. Drivers will pay an automatic £60 fine and have three penalty points added to their licences.
More than a million motorists have six or more points on their licences. Anyone who receives 12 points within three years is banned for six months. In 2006, 26,400 drivers were banned for “totting up” 12 points.
Road safety groups are concerned that the new power will fuel suspicion among drivers that police are acting unfairly and that fines are being issued to raise revenue.
No shite? evil:
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My mate the ex-Lodger popped in last night to admire the Rug. He reminded me that we are doing our post trauma Driving course starting next Thursday. Should be interesting! noooo:
Three consecutive Thursday, then certificate to DVLA and then, all being well, licence before Xmas. Time has gone quite quickly after all
What can possibly go wrong? scared2:
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Just in time for all the Christmas parties lol:
Would imagine it will be a huge relief to get your licence back tho cloud9:
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Post trauma driving course eeek:
I think I need one of those every time I take the car out around here evil:
But, good on yer happy088
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We have to get there on the bus noooo: May go to the pub afterwards! razz:
We seem to have managed quite well, considering. Can't wait to get behind the wheel again with the CD player on. Christ, I am looking forward to being on the M6. I must be ill noooo:
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That passed by quickly Nick
My niece got her licence back last week. Apparently, she had a big shock when she went for insurance quotes
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I have been checking that and it doesn't look too bad. I had 30 years clean licence and max no claims. Looks like about ?50 a year more for fully comp
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I have been checking that and it doesn't look too bad. I had 30 years clean licence and max no claims. Looks like about ?50 a year more for fully comp
One of the few benefits of being old... whistle:
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sad24:
One of the villagers who went on the course said most of those there were young girls eyes:
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sad24:
One of the villagers who went on the course said most of those there were young girls eyes:
I dare you to walk in and say "anyone fancy a pint?" lol:
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They'll all be on the WkD or somesuch noooo:
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My mate Ian just popped in. Nice guy, merchant seaman but now landlubber. Coupla kids. Very steady. Looked a bit shocked.
Met a mate in the next village last night. Had a coiuple of beers. Drove home. Straight into a police trap. noooo:
Another one. I have offered him the spare room. His wife is a probation officer point:
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She, no doubt, is fully trained in being non-judgemental and will know how to deal with his little "crisis" whistle:
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He is shitting himself noooo:
She is not impressed
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I did type that tongue in cheek. Professional person second ~ being a typical wife first noooo:
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Bastard plod still staking the village out and cruising around taking car numbers noooo:
He 'blew' 43. The limit is 40. The top of the range is about 150. Still a one year ban noooo:
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It's all about "Crime Clear-up" figures. Everyone caught in your village counts against a little old lady being mugged for her pension by three shaven headed louts in Skallypool.
One DD conviction = one crime solved without danger to the two officers concerned. Putting in the effort to be "on the streets" preventing muggings etc is hard work. It's a no-brainer to their target driven culture.
What really p*sses me off is when sanctimonious twats get on the box spouting drivel about "A crime is a crime and we treat them all equally" ~ do they bollox!
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Quite
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I don't believe it!!!
Immediate neighbour came round. He too got 'done' last night noooo:
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I may have a houseful at this rate
Bastards.
We are not all alcys here. They just lie in wait
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When I was a nipper we used to know which gardens provided the best opportunities for scrumping apples without tearing our trousers on the fence.
When I was in the RAF we knew the best ways to get back into camp after "lights out" without getting caught.
When I worked in the City I knew those clients where I could be guaranteed to find a little extra business to "make" the monthly sales targets".
Your local police know when they too are on to a good thing.
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Quite
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Me and the ex-Lodger are off on our course together shortly. Advice is not to ask questions (prolongs the session) and on no account to challenge or argue back (they get pissed off).
What can possibly go wrong? angel1
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Me and the ex-Lodger are off on our course together shortly. Advice is not to ask questions (prolongs the session) and on no account to challenge or argue back (they get pissed off).
What can possibly go wrong? angel1
Any Young's pubs nearby? Want some vouchers?
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Advice is not to ask questions (prolongs the session) and on no account to challenge or argue back (they get pissed off).
What, and take the fun out it.
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Me and the ex-Lodger are off on our course together shortly. Advice is not to ask questions (prolongs the session) and on no account to challenge or argue back (they get pissed off).
What can possibly go wrong? angel1
Any Young's pubs nearby? Want some vouchers?
We had thought of that. Young's is very rare hereabouts.
This is the nearest pub
http://www.pub-explorer.com/merseyside/pub/bridgeinnportsunlight.htm (http://www.pub-explorer.com/merseyside/pub/bridgeinnportsunlight.htm)
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Ghost Tours and Plasma screens rubschin:
Shouldn't that be ectoplasma screens?
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It caters for diverse tastes shrugs:
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Ghost Tours and Plasma screens rubschin:
Shouldn't that be ectoplasma screens?
drumroll:
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Ghost Tours and Plasma screens rubschin:
Shouldn't that be ectoplasma screens?
drumroll:
Yes drumroll:
Does this course have a pass/fail outcome?
If not, I suggest you indulge yourself in an orgy of pedantry with the teacher.
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It seems that you cannot fail it. It in line in that respect with GCSEs and A levels
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Will they let you have breaks for a ciggy?
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It seems that you cannot fail it. It in line in that respect with GCSEs and A levels
Then let the fun begin.
Start with calling him by the wrong name, that usually gets the blood pressure off to a nice high start.
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All suggestions gratefully received spider:
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There is no pass or fail but there is getting thrown off the course and thus not getting your licence back for another three months. whistle:
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Quite interesting!
What a mixture. THREE doctors (what does that tell us?) some company directors, 5 gerls (3 of whom eyes:) and all blondes, a police sergeant ( eeek:) and a bus driver ( eeek:) amongst others.
Best moment (this was in a church hall) was when one guy described what had happened to him (wait) and the funeral in the church started singing 'Abide with Me' very audibly and everyone cracked up.
What happened to him? He had had lunch with his wife with wine and then had a row and cleared off and fell asleep in his car. When he didn't come back (he is diabetic and his wife was worried about him) she called the Plod who located him pissed and asleep in his car and nicked him. He said, 'But she's dead now.' Everyone expressed sympathy and he said, 'Only joking' eeek:
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I think you've found your ideal support group eeek:
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I wonder how it all went in the end ~ he's very quiet. Hope he didn't give the lecturer a slap, verbal or otherwise.