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Title: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Miss Demeanour on January 28, 2009, 11:16:31 AM
So it would seem that Acupuncture is next to uselss

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7852882.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7852882.stm)

I have had some treatment that involved Acupuncture some time ago and I wasn't sure of the benefits I have to say - except that it was done done by this gorgeous bloke (physio)  cloud9:...I took a long time to get better I can tell you.

Does anyone belive that sticking pins in people is a good thing  whistle:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: GROWLER on January 28, 2009, 11:20:57 AM
So it would seem that Acupuncture is next to uselss

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7852882.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7852882.stm)

I have had some treatment that involved Acupuncture some time ago and I wasn't sure of the benefits I have to say - except that it was done done by this gorgeous bloke (physio)  cloud9:...I took a long time to get better I can tell you.

Does anyone belive that sticking pins in people is a good thing  whistle:

I'll ask Mrs Growler to come in here and answer that one if you like.

On 2nd thoughts, maybe not. Don't want her reading some of my slightly less than complimentary posts about her. ;)
SHE'S a qualified acupuncturist of 17 years standing btw. whistle:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Miss Demeanour on January 28, 2009, 11:30:46 AM
Does she self heal  confused2:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Nick on January 28, 2009, 11:32:15 AM
I have had acupunture. It werked on me
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Barman on January 28, 2009, 11:32:59 AM
So it would seem that Acupuncture is next to uselss

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7852882.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7852882.stm)

I have had some treatment that involved Acupuncture some time ago and I wasn't sure of the benefits I have to say - except that it was done done by this gorgeous bloke (physio)  cloud9:...I took a long time to get better I can tell you.

Does anyone belive that sticking pins in people is a good thing  whistle:

I'll ask Mrs Growler to come in here and answer that one if you like.

On 2nd thoughts, maybe not. Don't want her reading some of my slightly less than complimentary posts about her. ;)
SHE'S a qualified acupuncturist of 17 years standing btw. whistle:
I reckon she'd be sticking pins in your eyes if she read half the stuff on here!  point:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Grumpmeister on January 28, 2009, 11:33:53 AM
Does she self heal  confused2:

Well I'm sure that sticking sharp pins in Growler's arse does wonders for her when she has a headache.  whistle:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: GROWLER on January 28, 2009, 11:33:58 AM
So it would seem that Acupuncture is next to uselss

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7852882.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7852882.stm)

I have had some treatment that involved Acupuncture some time ago and I wasn't sure of the benefits I have to say - except that it was done done by this gorgeous bloke (physio)  cloud9:...I took a long time to get better I can tell you.

Does anyone belive that sticking pins in people is a good thing  whistle:

I'll ask Mrs Growler to come in here and answer that one if you like.

On 2nd thoughts, maybe not. Don't want her reading some of my slightly less than complimentary posts about her. ;)
SHE'S a qualified acupuncturist of 17 years standing btw. whistle:
I reckon she'd be sticking pins in your eyes if she read half the stuff on here!  point:

No. She'd just slaughter me, end of. eeek:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Snoopy on January 28, 2009, 11:35:33 AM
I have a second cousin who is a homoeopath.

She has given me good advice from time to time so I would never rule out any "alternative" medicines or treatments. I do have to say that of those I have tried only about 25% seem to have worked for me but others claim better results for their ailments.

A Consultant Cardiologist once suggested that I should undergo hypnotherapy ~ that was a total loss as the psychoanalyst could not "put me under" despite several sessions. She said she thought that I was "resistant" to the therapy ~ I think I was too busy looking at her more than ample bust to listen to what she was saying. redface:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: GROWLER on January 28, 2009, 11:35:43 AM
Does she self heal  confused2:

Well I'm sure that sticking sharp pins in Growler's arse does wonders for her when she has a headache.  whistle:

Those 2 comments seem to have gone right over my head somehow. confused:

Think I need more kip. ::)
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Barman on January 28, 2009, 11:38:28 AM
Does she self heal  confused2:

Well I'm sure that sticking sharp pins in Growler's arse does wonders for her when she has a headache.  whistle:

Those 2 comments seem to have gone right over my head somehow. confused:

Think I need more kip. ::)
You need some pins stuck into you mate...  happy088
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: GROWLER on January 28, 2009, 11:39:54 AM
In all fairness to Mrs G's trade, acupuncture did werk on some terrible neuralgia newraljahorrendous pain in the side of me face a few years ago.
I don't normally let her treat me, as I'm convinced she enjoys stabbing me with the needles as a sort of revenge, but the pain was that bad, the needle pain was actually a relief on this occassion.
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Bar Wench on January 28, 2009, 12:02:13 PM
Never say never is my view on these things. I've certainly spoken to people who swear by acupuncture. It's next on my list of things to try!  whistle:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Snoopy on January 28, 2009, 12:04:32 PM
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Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Bar Wench on January 28, 2009, 12:06:21 PM
 lol:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Barman on January 28, 2009, 12:07:12 PM
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My thoughts exactly...  redface:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Bar Wench on January 28, 2009, 12:07:52 PM
 cloud9:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Miss Demeanour on January 28, 2009, 12:13:17 PM
So what alternative therapies do work for people then - apart from Mrs Growler who obviously does an exceptional job with her clients  lol:

For me the best kind of alternative therapy would be a holiday   cloud9:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Bar Wench on January 28, 2009, 12:16:44 PM
I suppose it depends what you consider an alternative therapy! Although yes a holiday will cure most ills for me!
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: The Moan Ranger on January 28, 2009, 12:17:21 PM
Intravenus Young's seems to cure most things  cloud9:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Snoopy on January 28, 2009, 12:18:39 PM
Serious answer (for once)

For me Extract of Hawthorn Berry made into a tincture. It really does help with the angina by relaxing the arteries. Mind you have to take it three times a day over a long period to notice the effects. Apparently the "ancients" knew of this and used it to treat heart problems (which they didn't really understand).
I buy it from an excellent herbalist in Glasgow (of all places) but they do a good online service.
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Nick on January 28, 2009, 12:19:43 PM
St John's Wort when I had depression. Excellent stuff
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Barman on January 28, 2009, 12:20:19 PM
Buying loads of high-tech stuff...  whistle:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Darwins Selection on January 28, 2009, 12:20:31 PM
[serious]I have several times seen Acupuncture used on lame horses with success. They are unlikely to be influenced by Mystic Karma or indeed the attractiveness of the therapist.
I would give it a try if simple remedies fail. [/serious]
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Snoopy on January 28, 2009, 12:21:17 PM
St John's Wort when I had depression. Excellent stuff

You are not the first but I can't use it because it doesn't mix with the other meds so I have to stick with Valium ~ and this place.
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Snoopy on January 28, 2009, 12:23:29 PM
[serious]I have several times seen Acupuncture used on lame horses with success. They are unlikely to be influenced by Mystic Karma or indeed the attractiveness of the therapist.
I would give it a try if simple remedies fail. [/serious]

Rhus Tox 4 works well on arthritic pain. Helped my Afghan Hound gain a couple of extra years when the vet was all ready to put him down. From a limping pathetic looking creature in obvious distress he was back running inside of two weeks. Works well on humans too. Available from all good herbalists or Holland and Barratt.
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: The Moan Ranger on January 28, 2009, 12:26:21 PM
[serious]I have several times seen Acupuncture used on lame horses with success. They are unlikely to be influenced by Mystic Karma or indeed the attractiveness of the therapist.
I would give it a try if simple remedies fail. [/serious]

Rhus Tox 4 works well on arthritic pain. Helped my Afghan Hound gain a couple of extra years when the vet was all ready to put him down. From a limping pathetic looking creature in obvious distress he was back running inside of two weeks. Works well on humans too. Available from all good herbalists or Holland and Barratt.

I might need some of that stuff.
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Snoopy on January 28, 2009, 12:27:59 PM
A good rub down with Motor Cycle Weekly and you'll be fine.
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Darwins Selection on January 28, 2009, 12:29:22 PM
. . .the vet was all ready to put him down. From a limping pathetic looking creature in obvious distress he was back running inside of two weeks.

Change your vet.
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Snoopy on January 28, 2009, 12:30:44 PM
. . .the vet was all ready to put him down. From a limping pathetic looking creature in obvious distress he was back running inside of two weeks.

Change your vet.

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Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: GROWLER on January 28, 2009, 02:00:46 PM
[serious]I have several times seen Acupuncture used on lame horses with success. They are unlikely to be influenced by Mystic Karma or indeed the attractiveness of the therapist.
I would give it a try if simple remedies fail. [/serious]

Mrs Growler has already read the article, and is pretty damned pissed off about it.
Too many weekend training courses now being held for anyone to go on to become a so called acupunturist.
She studied for 3 long tiresome years in York, and at great expense to get her Dip.Ac. MRTCM.

Bit of a 'hate campaign' by one or two quacks and proffesors apparently. ::)

It does work very sucessfully on animals apparently DS, and they don't kick off and threaten to sue you if they don't feel 100% better within a week either. Oh yes, she's had tossers like that. evil:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Pastis on January 28, 2009, 07:02:29 PM
Mrs Growler has already read the article, and is pretty damned pissed off about it.
Too many weekend training courses now being held for anyone to go on to become a so called acupunturist.
She studied for 3 long tiresome years in York, and at great expense to get her Dip.Ac. MRTCM.

I'm very sympathetic to that view G. I've had acupuncture from a so called Chinese doctor which was total crap yet also had treatment from a chap here in London that was brilliant ~ depends on the practitioner.

My sciatica was remedied by Tai Chi & Chi Kung practice about twelve years ago and like the guy with the Remington shaver, I was so impressed I've been doing it ever since. I know it works and there's also a load of medical studies now that come to the same conclusion.
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Snoopy on January 28, 2009, 07:07:51 PM
He's Back!

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How was the trip? ~ By heck you've got some shite to read to catch up!

Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Pastis on January 28, 2009, 07:18:53 PM
Shite indeed  lol:. Just been reading up on Nick's dilemma; very unfortunate.

The trip was very successful, the task accomplished and the company delighted. But.... and a painful but, I had a twinge on the knee - I blame exiting from a taxi - which got worse and nine hours of flying yesterday fair crippled me  sad32:

I couldn't get off the plane at Gatwick... had to use the buggy (which incidentally is by far the best way to get through passport control and customs!)
Anyway painkillers for tea tonight!

Btw, they all seem to think I'madinnerjacket is a complete nutter too  lol:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Barman on January 28, 2009, 07:29:07 PM
Welcome back!  cloud9:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Miss Demeanour on January 28, 2009, 07:31:43 PM
Exiting taxi my ar$e  lol: lol: lol:

How was the Harem  whistle:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Snoopy on January 28, 2009, 07:33:29 PM
Exiting taxi my ar$e  lol: lol: lol:



So that's where they park is it?  point:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Miss Demeanour on January 28, 2009, 07:46:01 PM
Only the mini bus ones  sad32:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Snoopy on January 28, 2009, 07:50:37 PM
Only the mini bus ones  sad32:

Oh I don't believe that  whistle:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Barman on January 28, 2009, 07:54:34 PM
Only the mini bus ones  sad32:

Oh I don't believe that  whistle:
sick2:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Pastis on January 28, 2009, 08:06:46 PM
Exiting taxi my ar$e  lol: lol: lol:

How was the Harem  whistle:

Part of my harem in deep contemplation whistle:

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I think I just asked them who was going to be the model for the pack shot  ;D


Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Nick on January 28, 2009, 08:35:01 PM
Did you bring some back for me?

We have a board eunuch now (TMR). Most timely, I think
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Pastis on January 28, 2009, 08:38:47 PM
Did you bring some back for me?

We have a board eunuch now (TMR). Most timely, I think

I can do a nice line in saffron flavoured pistachio nuts but alas, no harem  cry:
I've got some email addresses though  eyes:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Just One More on January 30, 2009, 06:45:16 AM
I've been having hypnotism recently. After three appointments, twenty-odd years of my life being affected is already becoming a distant memory. And yes, she is  eyes:
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Darwins Selection on January 30, 2009, 02:53:41 PM
. .twenty-odd years of my life being is already becoming a distant memory.

I suffer from this.

Is the hypnotism helping at all?
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Bar Wench on January 30, 2009, 02:56:18 PM
I've been having hypnotism recently. After three appointments, twenty-odd years of my life being affected is already becoming a distant memory. And yes, she is  eyes:

Do you mind me asking what for?
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Darwins Selection on January 30, 2009, 03:02:21 PM
I've been having hypnotism recently. After three appointments, twenty-odd years of my life being affected is already becoming a distant memory. And yes, she is  eyes:

Do you mind me asking what for?
Have you forgotten as well?
Title: Re: No point to Acupuncture
Post by: Just One More on January 30, 2009, 06:42:41 PM
I've been having hypnotism recently. After three appointments, twenty-odd years of my life being affected is already becoming a distant memory. And yes, she is  eyes:

Do you mind me asking what for?

Not at all Wenchy

IBS has directed certain parts of my life for many years. When they first diagnosed it, they didn't even have the name, they called it "a nervous stomach". It meant that if I was in crowded areas the stomach started churning, I'd get agitated and a vicious cycle would begin. If I went to a concert I wouldn't eat for at least for one day beforehand so that there was nothing or little to churn  sick2: Same with any situation where  people would feel slightly uncomfortable such as presenting to groups of people, attending court to give evidence (part of the job) etc etc. Ironically, if I get stuck in a traffic queue, I'm get so bloody angry and agitated, so travel is never at peak times, and if I do have to drive at those times, it's always the back routes (far more pleasant anyway)

The way it was explained to me was that the body had eventually decided that this was now the norm, and the cycle had to be broken. The physical side of IBS has always been easy to treat, just avoid the foods that cause the problem. It's the emotional side that had to be addressed. Three sessions in the past three weeks have already made a fantastic difference, sometimes I wonder if she's just instilling confidence as there are a lot of positive words used when I'm listening, but at the end of the session I'm aware that for some of it I "wasn't there". All I do then is try to find time to listen to the CD of the session once a day, then go for the next session and a different CD is made of that session. I suppose it's like peeling back the layers, whatever it is, it seems to be working for me. It's cost me £210 so far, and I go for what she hopes will be my final appointment in two weeks time