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Come Inside... => Saloon Bar => Topic started by: Barman on June 19, 2007, 06:46:30 AM
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I understand in a work touched with genius and thinking ?outside of the box? The Lord Chancellor, head of the new Ministry of Justice (MoJ), is expected to make an announcement about tackling overcrowding later this week.
I have inside information on this one ? a ?friend in high places? has let me know that in this new, daring plan all prisons are to be fitted with one of these: -
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A Whitehall source has told the BBC that Lord Falconer is likely to say some non-violent offenders nearing the end of sentences are to be freed early.
An MoJ spokeswoman would neither confirm nor deny an early release plan.
According to the Times newspaper, "up to 2,000 prisoners serving less than four years" would leave jail early.
They were likely to be "burglars, fraudsters and drug dealers" but not "offenders convicted of violent or sex crimes", it added.
Labour clearly has no intention of building new prisons to house these people ? the overcrowding? story has been in the news for years. So what is the agenda here?
They continually introduce new laws to cause people to be put through the (incredibly expensive) legal system but are apparently not committed to incarcerating them at the end of the process.
Quite frankly, they may as well just scarp all the legislation and give every tax payer a refund to enable them to turn their homes, offices and cars into impregnable fortresses.
BBC Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6766119.stm)
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Labour clearly has no intention of building new prisons to house these people ? the overcrowding? story has been in the news for years. So what is the agenda here?
Call it a hunch but can you vote when you are in prison? It would explain why they are bringing out as many laws as they can crack off while letting the dole scrounging criminal chavvy fraternity that seems to be the bedrock of their voters.
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Labour clearly has no intention of building new prisons to house these people ? the overcrowding? story has been in the news for years. So what is the agenda here?
Call it a hunch but can you vote when you are in prison? It would explain why they are bringing out as many laws as they can crack off while letting the dole scrounging criminal chavvy fraternity that seems to be the bedrock of their voters.
I think they can vote... noooo:
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Why not train the existing prisoners to do building skills? Then they could build more prisons! drumroll:
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Why not train the existing prisoners to do building skills? Then they could build more prisons! drumroll:
Human rights ? they?d demand compo if they missed and episode of Emerdale or broke a fingernail in the process? ::)
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Oh. So we should just let them out then. OK. cry:
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Oh. So we should just let them out then. OK. cry:
Yes, exactly? Spend a zillion on the trial and legal fees (plus legal aid for the poor dears of course), process them and then immediately release them. ::)
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Good plan! sad24:
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Good plan! sad24:
I may stand for PM. whistle:
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Labour clearly has no intention of building new prisons to house these people ? the overcrowding? story has been in the news for years. So what is the agenda here?
Call it a hunch but can you vote when you are in prison? It would explain why they are bringing out as many laws as they can crack off while letting the dole scrounging criminal chavvy fraternity that seems to be the bedrock of their voters.
I don't believe you can vote whilst serving a prison sentence but you can whilst on remand. There were some moves last year toward changing this so that all prisoners would be allowed a vote but I think, like many other initiatives, it was all hot air and promises.
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I may stand for PM. whistle:
I won't stand for anything. cussing:
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I may stand for PM. whistle:
I won't stand for anything. cussing:
I normally stand as far away as possible? whistle:
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Especially from Wenchy. That's why we are meeting outdoors eeek:
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I may stand for PM. whistle:
I won't stand for anything. cussing:
I normally stand as far away as possible? whistle:
Well that explains the mess in the Gents!
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Especially from Wenchy. That's why we are meeting outdoors eeek:
What happened to that air hostess ? another bump in the patio? point:
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Haven't heard from her for a while.................
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Haven't heard from her for a while.................
Well she?d have to shout really loudly from under the patio wouldn?t she? doh:
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Meanwhile....... rubschin:
I have a brilliant plan worthy of the top-drawer, out-of-the-box, blue-sky thinking off a creative wave... etc., etc., tunble:
Anyway, as the criminal fraternity grows larger and the law abiding common citizen numbers shrink, all we have to do is kick all of the prisoners out of the jails - and move in!
The prison guards can become our security guards to keep the undesirables out so we can live in peace in our very own en-suite cells complete with cable and internet, community activities and all found accommodation. Even pets are OK!
Just think, no taxes, smoking allowed, no voting, human rights lawyers queuing up to serve us, retirement plans not needed, no inflation, no hassle, no obligations or commitments, free healthcare forever and free at the point of use.
Meanwhile - the criminals get to pay our taxes for us - pretend to vote for us and can go anywhere (as long as they have their ID cards) they can worry about their futures for us pay for pensions that may disappear and look forwards to their spells in nursing homes, they would be allowed to support us in our agony serving their time for them - we can use them as a bottomless pit of cash to finance anything we want anytime we want it and generally suffer the hells of imprisonment just to save them having to build more of them.
We'd deserve medals angel1
God - I feel like a martyr just thinking about it.... Oh and lest I forget, Mohammad said it is unlawful for the infidel to imprison good Muslims, Aw, Jeez... So we can't even invite them in... sad32:
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So - you liked it then?
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So - you liked it then?
It is a Gold medal .... of course I liked it.
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I'm surprised nobody has commented about this so far..
A former RAF nurse protesting against "unfair" council tax bills for older people says she is prepared for jail.
Beryl Pearce, 85, has refused to pay two months of her annual ?941 bill and owes Test Valley Borough Council ?145.
The Hampshire grandmother, a nursing orderly during Word War II, believes the government has ignored calls to make the tax fairer for the elderly.
Mrs Pearce, who will go before Andover Magistrates Court on Tuesday, said: "It's a case of heat or eat."
The mother-of-two, from Andover, who will be 86 next month, said: "We have had petitions to Parliament, marches. They have taken absolutely no notice.
"With the prisons being full - there's a lot of us doing this - they will have a problem and will have to think about what they are doing.
"I think it really is unfair. We are all paying the same for accommodation, for people on a pension it's a struggle.
"It's a case of heat or eat - where's the justice in that?
"I have worked since I was 14 and I have served my country.
"I have nursed in old people's homes since the war."
'Custodial sentence'
The widow, who has four grandchildren and a great-grandchild on the way, added: "I'm not really worried about prison.
"I have been through worse things in my life.
"I'm not worried about going to jail. I think it would only be for a month.
"Some people are rich and it's a small amount they are having to pay out of their income, and yet a little old lady is paying nearly all her income in tax."
Test Valley Borough Council is seeking a liability order to give it additional powers to pursue the debt.
A council spokeswoman said: "A custodial sentence is a last resort and we would hope to resolve it before it got to that stage."
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Assuming that this old woman is claiming all she is entitled to clam she would have no problem with paying her council tax. The point is she sees it as an unfair tax and will not pay it.
These old people who say "I have no fear of going to prison" know full well they will be housed in the hospital wing for three days until some rich sod comes along and pays their debt for them.
What they fail to take into account is that the debt remains whether they go to prison or not.
Yes it is an unfair tax but for a person like this she only has to declare her income, claim what she is entitled to and the f*cking tax will be paid for her. End of problem. evil:
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Assuming that this old woman is claiming all she is entitled to clam she would have no problem with paying her council tax. The point is she sees it as an unfair tax and will not pay it.
These old people who say "I have no fear of going to prison" know full well they will be housed in the hospital wing for three days until some rich sod comes along and pays their debt for them.
What they fail to take into account is that the debt remains whether they go to prison or not.
Yes it is an unfair tax but for a person like this she only has to declare her income, claim what she is entitled to and the f*cking tax will be paid for her. End of problem. evil:
Why on earth should people have to claim benefit to pay bills that are beyond their means? The bills should be made to fit peoples ability to pay, not their ability to scrounge benefit and a good many of the older generation just will not do it. The benefit on offer after you have finished groveling for it, is just a way of keeping a great many people out of prison and forcing themselves to make property tax a bit fairer.
After you have been through a world war, prison is not such a big deal. I for one will be heading that same way when they get around to trying to force me into having their toy ID card.
If they have any sense they will be building a good many more prison places - they'll be needing them!
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If they have any sense they will be building a good many more prison places - they'll be needing them!
Presumably you will just curl up on a radiator?
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If they have any sense they will be building a good many more prison places - they'll be needing them!
Presumably you will just curl up on a radiator?
I will expect my cushion and Whiskas naturally.. And a personal servant of course. we have standards you know!
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I?m seeing a tiny flaw in your otherwise brilliant plan? noooo:
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I?m seeing a tiny flaw in your otherwise brilliant plan? noooo:
shocked003
That cannot be scared2:
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I?m seeing a tiny flaw in your otherwise brilliant plan? noooo:
shocked003
That cannot be scared2:
Ummmm.... yeees.
Nothing serious you understand ? just relating to how the criminal classes will be generating the funds to keep us? whistle:
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I?m seeing a tiny flaw in your otherwise brilliant plan? noooo:
shocked003
That cannot be scared2:
Ummmm.... yeees.
Nothing serious you understand ? just relating to how the criminal classes will be generating the funds to keep us? whistle:
Well the point is, it doesn't matter! We'll be safely locked up and out of harms way. They will have to go find some Nigerians to scam or Romanians to rob... something like that... shrugs:
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I?m seeing a tiny flaw in your otherwise brilliant plan? noooo:
shocked003
That cannot be scared2:
Ummmm.... yeees.
Nothing serious you understand ? just relating to how the criminal classes will be generating the funds to keep us? whistle:
Well the point is, it doesn't matter! We'll be safely locked up and out of harms way. They will have to go find some Nigerians to scam or Romanians to rob... something like that... shrugs:
happ096
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I?m seeing a tiny flaw in your otherwise brilliant plan? noooo:
shocked003
That cannot be scared2:
Ummmm.... yeees.
Nothing serious you understand ? just relating to how the criminal classes will be generating the funds to keep us? whistle:
Pay per view gladitorial combat. The yanks would pa through the nose and I'm sure that we could sell it to the middle east as the extremists would love to see infidels wipe ech other out eyes:
This also has the added bonus of eventually cleaning up the gene pool
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Pay per view gladitorial combat. The yanks would pa through the nose and I'm sure that we could sell it to the middle east as the extremists would love to see infidels wipe ech other out eyes:
This also has the added bonus of eventually cleaning up the gene pool
YES!!! I am beginning to see why the 'games' had got to be so popular in Rome.
My money's on the tigers...
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Why risk animals, lump the prisoners in one area and then shov Prezza in the other having told him that he's about to meet up with the swines who raided his larder and had his secretary.
Far more bloody than anything a tiger could do methinks eyes:
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Now that they'll be taking one of his Jags off him he could be quite 'impressive' in the arena...