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Title: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on May 07, 2009, 09:02:27 PM
Coming out as we speak...should be good

 Popcorn:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 08, 2009, 07:23:23 AM
Harriet Harperson was just slaughtered on 'Today'.... It was wonderful!  cloud9:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Pastis on May 08, 2009, 08:13:05 AM
Also Newsnight last night... the Lumley vs. Woolas clash

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Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Pastis on May 08, 2009, 08:37:55 AM
So, Gordo claimed back £6K for the cleaning over 26 months on house he shared with his brother. No doubt an equitable agreement was struck, splitting the costs 50 / 50; so that's £12K for 26 months. What?  eeek: They paid £115 a week for someone to clean the house!

 noooo:

Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 08, 2009, 08:44:37 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/)

Thieving bastards!!

Mandelson claimed to do up his house AFTER he announced he was resigning form Pariliament. Then he sold hte house for a profit. The utter utter bastard!!
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 08, 2009, 10:14:59 AM
Hand on heart who among us hasn't taken advantage when allowed to claim expenses (or part thereof) by our employers?

I have always raided the stationery cupboard, added a few miles for non existent detours, picked up and used discarded parking tickets and then claimed to have paid for them, made sure that the bill for any lunches was for at least two people even when lunching alone (and claimed it was a prospective client), taken a couple of sickies to watch the Test Match etc etc. Yes I have taken advantage of whichever system I worked under and sometimes have got away with it and sometimes the company accountant has thrown the claim out. It is all part of the game.

The simple fact of the matter is that MPs have taken advantage of the system ~ I don't have a problem with that, I would have done the same. Where I get angry is that WE have allowed them to make the rules for their own scheme.

 rubschin: Does that really make me angry or am I more annoyed that I didn't get a slice of the cake? Searching my conscience I cannot say with honesty which it is.

Whatever ~ no point in Old Holbornish name calling. The chance is now upon us to have a good laugh at MPs expense and make sure the system is put right.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on May 08, 2009, 10:21:08 AM
The Court of Public Opinion doesn't work that way, Snoopy. They should be beyond reproach and setting an example, not milking the system for all it's worth.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Uncle Mort on May 08, 2009, 10:49:34 AM
Hand on heart Snoopy? ~ no I've never taken advantage when making expenses claims. I'm not claiming to be a saint to me it's just morally wrong. As is the MPs claims, they might be within the rules but morally unacceptable.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 08, 2009, 10:55:00 AM
What Mort said. I am waiting for resignations and suicides from MPs but I fear I will have to wait a long time. evil:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 08, 2009, 11:02:02 AM
Clearly I am in the wrong place

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Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 08, 2009, 11:10:54 AM
Lying lessons: Number One

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8040007.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8040007.stm)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Uncle Mort on May 08, 2009, 11:14:07 AM
Well, if anyone's going to recognise a smear...
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 08, 2009, 11:15:09 AM
Quite. He made £136000 profit on the sale, which he kept, having bought and maintained and repaired the house AT OUR EXPENSE!!
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 09, 2009, 11:24:11 AM
Quote from: Matthew Parris
Call him what else you like, but does anybody really, really think that Gordon Brown is a crook?

Quote from: Devil's Kitchen
Yes, I do.

Now why don't you stop writing crap in The Times and go suck the crook's cock, you mendacious little shit.

 happy001

Source (http://devilskitchen.me.uk/)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 09, 2009, 12:41:04 PM
If anyone of you seriously thought that these people sought "power" in the public interest rather than as a career out of which they could make plenty and be able to retire with a better pension than they would have otherwise have earned in the real world there is little hope for you.

I cannot understand why everyone is so "surprised" and "shocked" by these revelations. People seek election for the prestige and the money, they want and generally get preferment in all matters from booking a table at a restaurant to invitations to Garden Parties at the Palace. They expect and get upgrades on all flights and deference from the majority in their constituencies. No-one does it out of a sense of "Public Duty" nor have they since Harold Wilson and the infamous "Lavender List" blew the gaff on the whole rotten system

Yes I do believe it is the system that is a fault and that system needs to be reformed ~ we might then see a few of the gravy train riders drop out for more lucrative positions elsewhere but I never expected the MPs and their cronies the "Working Life Peers" to act in any other way. I am amazed at the naivety of anyone who did.

But then I am a cynic who doesn't believe that anyone is totally honest. I know that those who put a company supplied Bic pen in their pocket at the end of a meeting will probably take it home and when one of their kids asks for a pen will give it to them and not consider for a moment that they have actually stolen it from their employer. I know that few if any who takes a client out to lunch and then submits the bill for both lunches to their employer as "Entertainment Expenses" and having accepted the reimbursement then goes on to actually declare their share of the meal as "a benefit in kind" on their tax return.

Let's get real and have a jolly good laugh at the embarrassed MPs but please spare me the sanctimonious holier than thou attitudes.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 09, 2009, 05:31:32 PM

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Good old News of the Screws!
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 09, 2009, 06:13:42 PM
Exactly ~ as I said let's all have a jolly good laugh at their expense.

Mockery will get shot of them far quicker than ranting and name calling because they cannot stand being made fun of. Notice the only time Brown loses his temper in the House is when someone takes the p*ss. Blair was the same ~ the only one who could goad him out of his smug self satisfaction was William Hague, the arch p*ss taker.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 10, 2009, 10:25:55 AM
You are right there. When Gordo was asked about bullying in Whitehall during PMQ's l thought he was going to start stamping his feet & throw a tantrum, especially when Michael Martin was having trouble keeping a straight face.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Uncle Mort on May 10, 2009, 10:37:29 AM
please spare me the sanctimonious holier than thou attitudes.

I am quite prepared to cast the first stone.

These politicians have cynically manipulated and abused the system for personal gain, they are morally corrupt, self-serving little shits and no right to have any respect from the people that they are supposed to represent.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 10, 2009, 10:39:40 AM
Today's stuff is, if anything, worse than yesterday's. Blears!!

And look at this!!

http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2009/05/true-home-of-mr-margaret-moran.html (http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2009/05/true-home-of-mr-margaret-moran.html)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on May 10, 2009, 10:50:53 AM
OH has the right idea.

http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/2009/05/appeal-looking-for-pig-farmer-in-south.html
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 10, 2009, 10:51:58 AM
please spare me the sanctimonious holier than thou attitudes.

I am quite prepared to cast the first stone.

These politicians have cynically manipulated and abused the system for personal gain, they are morally corrupt, self-serving little shits and no right to have any respect from the people that they are supposed to represent.
happ096
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Uncle Mort on May 10, 2009, 11:35:19 AM
Cynical?

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Ms Ussher asked permission to carry out a full refit of her run-down Victorian house in south London.

She is said to have contacted the Commons fees office within 12 months of becoming an MP in 2005, despite having already lived at the house for some five years.

Ms Ussher, who was not a minister at the time, wrote: "The basic situation is that this house was relatively cheap to purchase but requires quite a lot of work."

She then listed repairs which she hoped to carry out, including a bathroom which did not "function" and "peeling" walls in the shower room.

On the cover sheet of her printed letter, Ms Ussher scrawled: "I am aware this takes us over our limit - please pay as much as you are able!"

In the end, Ms Ussher received the maximum permitted under the Additional Costs Allowance (ACA) for 2005-6 - £22,110.

Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 10, 2009, 11:57:05 AM
I expect BM would have been happy to fix her bathroom, on his usual terms  whistle:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 10, 2009, 01:31:47 PM
I expect BM would have been happy to fix her bathroom, on his usual terms  whistle:
Yes... she wouldn't have got it done for twenty-two grand...  whistle:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 10, 2009, 01:49:08 PM
Only because it would never have been finished
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 10, 2009, 02:08:03 PM
Only because it would never have been finished
evil:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Darwins Selection on May 10, 2009, 04:27:05 PM
Only because it would never have been finished
lol: lol: lol:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Pastis on May 10, 2009, 04:49:19 PM
Cynical?

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Ms Ussher asked permission to carry out a full refit of her run-down Victorian house in south London.

She is said to have contacted the Commons fees office within 12 months of becoming an MP in 2005, despite having already lived at the house for some five years.

Ms Ussher, who was not a minister at the time, wrote: "The basic situation is that this house was relatively cheap to purchase but requires quite a lot of work."

She then listed repairs which she hoped to carry out, including a bathroom which did not "function" and "peeling" walls in the shower room.

On the cover sheet of her printed letter, Ms Ussher scrawled: "I am aware this takes us over our limit - please pay as much as you are able!"

In the end, Ms Ussher received the maximum permitted under the Additional Costs Allowance (ACA) for 2005-6 - £22,110.


She was a local councillor here a few years back. Career politician through and through; IIRC little or no contribution to the community.  ::)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 10, 2009, 06:37:57 PM
Cynical?

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Ms Ussher asked permission to carry out a full refit of her run-down Victorian house in south London.

She is said to have contacted the Commons fees office within 12 months of becoming an MP in 2005, despite having already lived at the house for some five years.

Ms Ussher, who was not a minister at the time, wrote: "The basic situation is that this house was relatively cheap to purchase but requires quite a lot of work."

She then listed repairs which she hoped to carry out, including a bathroom which did not "function" and "peeling" walls in the shower room.

On the cover sheet of her printed letter, Ms Ussher scrawled: "I am aware this takes us over our limit - please pay as much as you are able!"

In the end, Ms Ussher received the maximum permitted under the Additional Costs Allowance (ACA) for 2005-6 - £22,110.


She was a local councillor here a few years back. Career politician through and through; IIRC little or no contribution to the community.  ::)

Let us be frank here shall we? ~ She is a token, a sop to Tony Blair's inclusivity ideals. If she wasn't tinted she would never have got the job.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 10, 2009, 07:08:16 PM
Bid to dissolve Parliament amid row

Quote from: Google
Dissolving Parliament could be the only way to rescue MPs' reputation amid growing public fury over the Westminster expenses gravy train, Gordon Brown has been warned.

With yet more senior politicians embroiled in the latest tranche of claims revelations, former Commons deputy Speaker Lord Naseby said an early general election was needed to save the "foundations of democracy".

The call came as the House authorities mounted a desperate rear-guard action to shore up trust in the allowances regime.

An independent audit unit is to be created - at a cost of £600,000 a year - to monitor claims.

Meanwhile, some "clean" MPs started venting their anger at colleagues for bringing the scandal upon them.

Lib Dem frontbencher Lynne Featherstone said she was "ashamed of my brethren", insisting they were getting "due punishment".

"You can or should be able, whatever your circumstances, be able to judge right from wrong," she told Sky News.

Labour backbencher Kate Hoey laid into millionaire tourism minister Barbara Follett for spending £25,000 on security patrols outside her Soho home.

"I would need to have someone really convince me that an MP can claim that amount of money for personal security, when I know that in my constituency I have women who walk home late at night who would love to have somebody paying for them to have personal security," she told BBC Radio 5 Live.

Source (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hPXTDcIYp1iWpIxn9tSx_tZglsVg)

Hang all of them...  eveilgrin:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Demeanour on May 11, 2009, 06:47:21 AM
A major alert and full-scale security operation was launched today after traces of morals were found in Westminster. Police were called and roads surrounding both No 10 and the Houses of Parliament were blocked off in what is believed to be one of the most serious incidents in recent history. However after 2 hours of going through  MP expense claims, the police forensic team concluded that it was a false alarm.

Detective Chief Inspector Richard Turpin of the Metropolitan Police says that it was all an elaborate hoax. "Whoever did this was a seasoned liar, an expert at deceiving people and very, very slippery. He or she has probably been a politician for many years."

Business Secretary Peter Mandelson gave this warning: "People like this are troublemakers. Neither they nor their morals have any place in a modern government.


It has now become pointless in revealing who has scammed what ( even if it is within the friggin rules) . All it shows is the widespread level of abuse that this ridiculous system has permitted for many many years and the inherent culture of greed that exists throughout  noooo:

Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 11, 2009, 06:52:44 AM
A major alert and full-scale security operation was launched today after traces of morals were found in Westminster. Police were called and roads surrounding both No 10 and the Houses of Parliament were blocked off in what is believed to be one of the most serious incidents in recent history. However after 2 hours of going through  MP expense claims, the police forensic team concluded that it was a false alarm.

Detective Chief Inspector Richard Turpin of the Metropolitan Police says that it was all an elaborate hoax. "Whoever did this was a seasoned liar, an expert at deceiving people and very, very slippery. He or she has probably been a politician for many years."

Business Secretary Peter Mandelson gave this warning: "People like this are troublemakers. Neither they nor their morals have any place in a modern government.


It has now become pointless in revealing who has scammed what ( even if it is within the friggin rules) . All it shows is the widespread level of abuse that this ridiculous system has permitted for many many years and the inherent culture of greed that exists throughout  noooo:


Indeed... Vote Libertarian Miss D....  whistle:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 11, 2009, 07:16:36 AM
When are they going to get Balls and Cooper? Those two must be sweating!  eveilgrin:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Uncle Mort on May 11, 2009, 09:48:12 AM
Not as much as this chap:

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Immigration minister Phil Woolas has threatened legal action over "disgusting" allegations he claimed for women's clothing, nappies and comics.

Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 11, 2009, 09:56:28 AM
Not as much as this chap:

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Immigration minister Phil Woolas has threatened legal action over "disgusting" allegations he claimed for women's clothing, nappies and comics.


I can't wait to see what cartoonists are going to make of that.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 11, 2009, 09:59:47 AM
Mr Woolas wants to get his facts right before he opens his mouth. He submitted a receipt or series of receipts as proof of his expense claims, some items on those receipts were claimable and some were not. No-one, to my knowledge, has said that he actually claimed for every item only that he failed to cross out the non qualifying items. Thus far we have not been told what was actually paid out and what was "disallowed" but given the apparent state of the checking system in the "Fees Office" it is a fair bet that some non-qualifying items will have slipped through UNLESS they had been clearly crossed out by the claimant. I, for one, hope that Woolas takes it to court and only then will we know anything approaching the full truth.

Meanwhile I stick to my original thoughts on the matter, that the "system" would never have been allowed in the commercial world, that MPs have written it for themselves and slowly, over a period of years, become aware what they could get away and have taken full advantage of it ~ I confess also that I am enjoying the "revelations" enormously. lol:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Darwins Selection on May 11, 2009, 10:14:36 AM
Not as much as this chap:

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Immigration minister Phil Woolas has threatened legal action over "disgusting" allegations he claimed for women's clothing, nappies and comics.


I can't wait to see what cartoonists are going to make of that.

I expect the nappies will be a perfectly justifiable claim for MPs this week.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 11, 2009, 10:35:44 AM
Wonder if anyone has put together a petition on the No. 10 website for MP's stating that MP's who have been on the make have to pay back the money they have scammed...
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Demeanour on May 11, 2009, 10:57:15 AM
Or taken off their pensions  8)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: TG on May 11, 2009, 11:27:25 AM
Oh what a surprise:

"The Telegraph also has details of the expenses of Keith Vaz, a former minister who now chairs the home affairs select committee.
Mr Vaz reportedly claimed £75,000 for a Westminster flat although his family's home is 12 miles away in Stanmore."


The utter, utter bastard.  evil:

Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 11, 2009, 11:59:19 AM
What did you expect?

The only surprise is that everyone is surprised.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 11, 2009, 11:59:44 AM
Oh what a surprise:

"The Telegraph also has details of the expenses of Keith Vaz, a former minister who now chairs the home affairs select committee.
Mr Vaz reportedly claimed £75,000 for a Westminster flat although his family's home is 12 miles away in Stanmore."


The utter, utter bastard.  evil:


Talking of utter, utter bastards!  cussing:

£100,000 home makeover for man in charge of MPs' expenses

Quote from: Times Online
Westminster authorities spent £100,000 on a lavish redecoration of the grace-and-favour house for the officer who oversees MPs’ expenses, The Times has discovered.

The property at 3 Parliament Street used by the Clerk, the Commons chief executive, received a top-of-the range makeover, with a £39,000 kitchen, bespoke furniture, including a “butler’s tray”, and granite work surfaces. The same inventory also lists two Ionic columns costing £963.

Source (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3308659.ece)

Thirty-nine thousand Pounds for a fucking kitchen!  Explode:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 11, 2009, 12:08:43 PM
Oh what a surprise:

"The Telegraph also has details of the expenses of Keith Vaz, a former minister who now chairs the home affairs select committee.
Mr Vaz reportedly claimed £75,000 for a Westminster flat although his family's home is 12 miles away in Stanmore."


The utter, utter bastard.  evil:


Talking of utter, utter bastards!  cussing:

£100,000 home makeover for man in charge of MPs' expenses

Quote from: Times Online
Westminster authorities spent £100,000 on a lavish redecoration of the grace-and-favour house for the officer who oversees MPs’ expenses, The Times has discovered.

The property at 3 Parliament Street used by the Clerk, the Commons chief executive, received a top-of-the range makeover, with a £39,000 kitchen, bespoke furniture, including a “butler’s tray”, and granite work surfaces. The same inventory also lists two Ionic columns costing £963.

Source (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3308659.ece)

Thirty-nine thousand Pounds for a fucking kitchen!  Explode:

If it helps your blood pressure he is a known shirtlifter who has three other homes that he shares with his boyfriend. One in South Africa, One in Portugal and One in Islington ~ These are in addition to the Grace and Favour property that the expenses refer to. He writes books (8 so far) and has worked for Parliament since joining the Commons Clerk's Department in 1967 when he left university ~ How the hell did he acquire that sort of money on Civil Service pay?
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 11, 2009, 12:10:14 PM
Oh what a surprise:

"The Telegraph also has details of the expenses of Keith Vaz, a former minister who now chairs the home affairs select committee.
Mr Vaz reportedly claimed £75,000 for a Westminster flat although his family's home is 12 miles away in Stanmore."


The utter, utter bastard.  evil:


Talking of utter, utter bastards!  cussing:

£100,000 home makeover for man in charge of MPs' expenses

Quote from: Times Online
Westminster authorities spent £100,000 on a lavish redecoration of the grace-and-favour house for the officer who oversees MPs’ expenses, The Times has discovered.

The property at 3 Parliament Street used by the Clerk, the Commons chief executive, received a top-of-the range makeover, with a £39,000 kitchen, bespoke furniture, including a “butler’s tray”, and granite work surfaces. The same inventory also lists two Ionic columns costing £963.

Source (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3308659.ece)

Thirty-nine thousand Pounds for a fucking kitchen!  Explode:

If it helps your blood pressure he is a known shirtlifter who has three other homes that he shares with his boyfriend. One in South Africa, One in Portugal and One in Islington ~ These are in addition to the Grace and Favour property that the expenses refer to. He writes books (8 so far) and has worked for Parliament since joining the Commons Clerk's Department in 1967 when he left university ~ How the hell did he acquire that sort of money on Civil Service pay?
Perhaps he works part time somewhere... as a rent boy...  whistle:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 11, 2009, 12:29:36 PM
Properties valued at over £5million and a lavish lifestyle plus travelling between all these homes ~ that is a lot of buggery if I may say so.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 11, 2009, 12:37:24 PM
Properties valued at over £5million and a lavish lifestyle plus travelling between all these homes ~ that is a lot of buggery if I may say so.
I'm sure I wouldn't know the going rate...  whistle:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 11, 2009, 12:38:35 PM
Properties valued at over £5million and a lavish lifestyle plus travelling between all these homes ~ that is a lot of buggery if I may say so.
I'm sure I wouldn't know the going rate...  whistle:


I'll PM you the current price list shall I?  8)


BTW What happened to your Avatar ~ It's sort of shrunk ..... LL didn't wash it did she?
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 11, 2009, 12:45:30 PM
Properties valued at over £5million and a lavish lifestyle plus travelling between all these homes ~ that is a lot of buggery if I may say so.
I'm sure I wouldn't know the going rate...  whistle:


I'll PM you the current price list shall I?  8)


BTW What happened to your Avatar ~ It's sort of shrunk ..... LL didn't wash it did she?
Progress...  redface:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Darwins Selection on May 11, 2009, 01:02:55 PM
If it helps your blood pressure he is a known shirtlifter who has three other homes that he shares with his boyfriend.
One in South Africa, One in Portugal

Do you think he claims for his passage there as well?
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 11, 2009, 01:15:35 PM
If that's how he earned his loot it must be like the Blackwall Tunnel.















(Yes I know there are two Blackwall Tunnels)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 11, 2009, 02:11:44 PM
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Claim: According to the Telegraph, the Labour MP for Luton South spent £22,500 treating dry rot at the coastal property in Southampton she had designated as her second home - even though it was a two-hour drive from Parliament and 100 miles from her constituency.

Response: Ms Moran said her partner had worked in Southampton for 20 years and that she could not "make him come to Luton all the time". She said: "I have to have a proper family life and I can't do that unless I share the costs of the Southampton home with him." She said all her claims were within Fees Office policy and that she had done nothing wrong. Ms Moran said there had been some "inaccuracies" which were "probably actionable" in the Telegraph reports, which had given "the incredibly misleading impression that somehow we have been dodgy, that we have been fraudulent or corrupt".

That has to be one of the most pathetic excuses I have ever heard. My dad is a civil engineer who has worked all over the country as well as overseas. When he is working in the UK and the project he is running is too far away from home to commute daily he will live in digs and come back at weekends yet my parents still manage a 'proper family life' as you so arrogantly put it. Tell me, how many other families have someone who works away from home because they have to? Yet you are justifying buying your second home in SOUTHAMPTON!!! The second home allowance is supposed to support MP's allowing them to live in both their constituency and London so how the hell do can you justify our paying for work on, lets be honest here, your holiday home. This property has no benefit for your constituents and as such should never have been claimed for.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 11, 2009, 02:15:06 PM
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Claim: According to the Telegraph, the Labour MP for Luton South spent £22,500 treating dry rot at the coastal property in Southampton she had designated as her second home - even though it was a two-hour drive from Parliament and 100 miles from her constituency.

Response: Ms Moran said her partner had worked in Southampton for 20 years and that she could not "make him come to Luton all the time". She said: "I have to have a proper family life and I can't do that unless I share the costs of the Southampton home with him." She said all her claims were within Fees Office policy and that she had done nothing wrong. Ms Moran said there had been some "inaccuracies" which were "probably actionable" in the Telegraph reports, which had given "the incredibly misleading impression that somehow we have been dodgy, that we have been fraudulent or corrupt".

That has to be one of the most pathetic excuses I have ever heard. My dad is a civil engineer who has worked all over the country as well as overseas. When he is working in the UK and the project he is running is too far away from home to commute daily he will live in digs and come back at weekends yet my parents still manage a 'proper family life' as you so arrogantly put it. Tell me, how many other families have someone who works away from home because they have to? Yet you are justifying buying your second home in SOUTHAMPTON!!! The second home allowance is supposed to support MP's allowing them to live in both their constituency and London so how the hell do can you justify our paying for work on, lets be honest here, your holiday home. This property has no benefit for your constituents and as such should never have been claimed for.


As a Sotonian bred if not actually born I can assure you that nobody would go there for a holiday ~ except our freeloading relatives from Manchester.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 11, 2009, 02:23:28 PM
Could still be a step up from Luton Snoop.

Today's Dilbert pretty much sums up my opinion of the whole expenses system and my suspicion about how a lot of these claims came to be acceoted.

(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdilbert.com%2Fdyn%2Fstr_strip%2F000000000%2F00000000%2F0000000%2F000000%2F50000%2F3000%2F300%2F53319%2F53319.strip.gif&hash=bd7adc993412cbf3aa06a7961259fabe456d2f20)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: TG on May 11, 2009, 02:53:35 PM
Oh what a surprise:

"The Telegraph also has details of the expenses of Keith Vaz, a former minister who now chairs the home affairs select committee.
Mr Vaz reportedly claimed £75,000 for a Westminster flat although his family's home is 12 miles away in Stanmore."


The utter, utter bastard.  evil:



Mr Vaz is on the front page of our local rag today. Bless him.

£480 for silk cushions.

£150 for a lamp and lamp shade.

£2614 for a couple of armchairs (and a footstool mind)

He likes shopping at John Lewis it seems, the fvcking cheapskate.


Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Demeanour on May 12, 2009, 07:39:02 AM


The first annual MPs Expenses Awards celebrates parliamentary spending, creative accounting and, above all, an ongoing commitment to getting the most out of the British taxpayer. Anyone whose greed has gone unrecognised will still be eligible for next year's awards, provided they furnish us with itemised accounts and dated receipts.

The Beautiful Gardens award John Gummer, who claimed £9,000 a year for gardening work, including £100 a year for mole removal. Dishonourable mention to Alan Duncan, who received over £4,000 in four years for gardening work, and had a further £3,194 in gardening expense claims rejected by the fees office, for less than an acre of property.

Festive award for Seasonal Spending Solicitor general Vera Baird, QC, claimed £286 for Christmas decorations, including two trees. The claims were rejected.

Strongest Bid to Displace One's Embarrassing Nickname in Favour of an Even More Embarrassing Nickname John "Two Loo Seats" Prescott, who claimed for the refitting of a loo seat twice in two years. Honorable mention to David "25 Lightbulbs" Willetts. The former "Two Brains" paid £115 plus VAT to have 25 lightbulbs changed in his west London home. Actually, we paid.

The Silver Question Mark award for an apparently innocuous detail which, on reflection, demands further explanation Phil Woolas. Tesco receipts submitted by Woolas showed that whoever paid the bill received a 10% staff discount. We need to know: does Woolas really work at Tesco, and if so, where are the vacuum cleaner bags?

The Best Excuse So Far award Jack Straw. "Accountancy does not appear to be my strongest suit," wrote the justice secretary after realising he had underpaid for his over-claims.

The Flipping Miracle award for the most second homes Margaret Moran. The maximum number of second homes, you would think, is one, but MPs have shown it's possible to "flip" this designation from a London property to a constituency home (or vice versa) in order to maximise claims on repairs or mortgage interest. Luton South MP Margaret Moran has managed to claim for three second homes in four years. After initially designating her flat in Westminster, Moran named her Luton house as her second home, enabling her to claim £2,350 for garden work and £1,823.09 on bathroom repairs. In 2008 she changed once again, this time to a seafront house in Southampton just in time to fix a nasty dry rot problem at a cost of £22,500.

Most Shamingly Frugal MP Kelvin Hopkins, MP for Luton North, who lives in the same Luton street as Margaret Moran. Hopkins doesn't have any second homes; he takes the train to London every morning. Last year his total expenses came to £1,242.

The Tory Boy award for the most stereotypically Conservative submission Oliver Letwin, who was obliged to defend expense claims for the servicing of his Aga, and for replacing a pipe under his tennis court.

 lol: lol: lol:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Uncle Mort on May 12, 2009, 07:42:45 AM
 ;D ;D ;D

Keep it coming.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: GROWLER on May 12, 2009, 08:10:12 AM
I wonder if I can claim to have my burnt out bladder replaced privately at their our expense?  Explode:

Utter utter thieving trash the lot of them.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 13, 2009, 04:28:22 PM
I see that Squirrel Nutkin has 'decided' to pay £13k in sales tax. I guess that Gordo's temper tantrums do have some uses after all.  whistle:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Demeanour on May 13, 2009, 04:31:51 PM
I see that Squirrel Nutkin has 'decided' to pay £13k in sales tax. I guess that Gordo's temper tantrums do have some uses after all.  whistle:

How much feckin money does she have in the bank that she can just write a cheque for £13k without batting an eyelid  noooo:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 13, 2009, 04:34:50 PM
I'd be asking Phil Hope that question first. He's going to pay almost three times that back.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8047410.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8047410.stm)

I was pretty unimpressed with PMQ's today. When I heard the Beast of Bolsover was back in the house I was expecting some real fireworks over the whole allowances debacle.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on May 13, 2009, 06:05:13 PM
As has been mentioned in far more notable blogs than mine, the fact that they are repaying it is - to an extent - an admission of guilt. If a burglar returns a TV to the owner then he also could expect a criminal record and/or fine. Why not with these people?

And who would like a side bet that whatever they repay will be made-up in other ways, not yet in the public eye?
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Uncle Mort on May 13, 2009, 06:12:57 PM
I see that Squirrel Nutkin has 'decided' to pay £13k in sales tax. I guess that Gordo's temper tantrums do have some uses after all.  whistle:

How much feckin money does she have in the bank that she can just write a cheque for £13k without batting an eyelid  noooo:

More money than sense I'd guess.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 13, 2009, 06:14:19 PM
As has been mentioned in far more notable blogs than mine, the fact that they are repaying it is - to an extent - an admission of guilt. If a burglar returns a TV to the owner then he also could expect a criminal record and/or fine. Why not with these people?

And who would like a side bet that whatever they repay will be made-up in other ways, not yet in the public eye?

You have a blog...?
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on May 13, 2009, 06:16:49 PM
As has been mentioned in far more notable blogs than mine, the fact that they are repaying it is - to an extent - an admission of guilt. If a burglar returns a TV to the owner then he also could expect a criminal record and/or fine. Why not with these people?

And who would like a side bet that whatever they repay will be made-up in other ways, not yet in the public eye?

You have a blog...?

Yup, only an occasional thing though, in bouts of semi-sobriety  8)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 13, 2009, 06:22:16 PM
As has been mentioned in far more notable blogs than mine, the fact that they are repaying it is - to an extent - an admission of guilt. If a burglar returns a TV to the owner then he also could expect a criminal record and/or fine. Why not with these people?

And who would like a side bet that whatever they repay will be made-up in other ways, not yet in the public eye?

You have a blog...?

Yup, only an occasional thing though, in bouts of semi-sobriety  8)
I'll drag the link out of you will I?  ::)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on May 13, 2009, 06:26:23 PM
As has been mentioned in far more notable blogs than mine, the fact that they are repaying it is - to an extent - an admission of guilt. If a burglar returns a TV to the owner then he also could expect a criminal record and/or fine. Why not with these people?

And who would like a side bet that whatever they repay will be made-up in other ways, not yet in the public eye?

You have a blog...?

Yup, only an occasional thing though, in bouts of semi-sobriety  8)
I'll drag the link out of you will I?  ::)

Not yet, I don't really like it  redface:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 13, 2009, 06:56:02 PM
http://www.the-daily-politics.com/2009/05/mysterious-margaret-moran-mp.html (http://www.the-daily-politics.com/2009/05/mysterious-margaret-moran-mp.html)
 point:

Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 13, 2009, 06:59:06 PM
As has been mentioned in far more notable blogs than mine, the fact that they are repaying it is - to an extent - an admission of guilt. If a burglar returns a TV to the owner then he also could expect a criminal record and/or fine. Why not with these people?

And who would like a side bet that whatever they repay will be made-up in other ways, not yet in the public eye?

You have a blog...?

Yup, only an occasional thing though, in bouts of semi-sobriety  8)
I'll drag the link out of you will I?  ::)

Not yet, I don't really like it  redface:
Shite then...?  ::)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 13, 2009, 07:00:47 PM
It seems Ed Balls is in the firing line. OH reports he tried an injunction against the Torygraph and it was not allowed


:popcorn

Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 13, 2009, 07:05:59 PM
It seems Ed Balls is in the firing line. OH reports he tried an injunction against the Torygraph and it was not allowed


:popcorn


What happened to your popcorn...?  Popcorn:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 13, 2009, 07:07:59 PM
Not on expenses  noooo:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 13, 2009, 07:09:48 PM
 point:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 13, 2009, 08:41:21 PM
Apparently Fabian Hamilton has been a very naughty boy, claiming mortgage expenses while living with his mother.

Lets see Gordo handle this one.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 13, 2009, 08:42:12 PM
More to come!!
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 14, 2009, 05:07:50 AM
As has been mentioned in far more notable blogs than mine, the fact that they are repaying it is - to an extent - an admission of guilt. If a burglar returns a TV to the owner then he also could expect a criminal record and/or fine. Why not with these people?

And who would like a side bet that whatever they repay will be made-up in other ways, not yet in the public eye?

You have a blog...?

Yup, only an occasional thing though, in bouts of semi-sobriety  8)
I'll drag the link out of you will I?  ::)

Not yet, I don't really like it  redface:
Old Holborn just gave it away on GOM!  point:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Demeanour on May 14, 2009, 06:52:41 AM


He forgot he had paid off his mortgage.

He FORGOT  Banghead Banghead Banghead

This is surely an open and shut case of fraud - he should be sacked today and a criminal investigation started immediately . Even he couldn't argue that this was 'within' the feckin rules  noooo:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 14, 2009, 06:54:34 AM
Apparently Fabian Hamilton has been a very naughty boy, claiming mortgage expenses while living with his mother.

Lets see Gordo handle this one.

He forgot he had paid off his mortgage.

He FORGOT  Banghead Banghead Banghead

This is surely an open and shut case of fraud - he should be sacked today and a criminal investigation started immediately . Even he couldn't argue that this was 'within' the feckin rules  noooo:
Seconded...

Clearly not fit for office...  noooo:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 14, 2009, 07:38:55 AM
As has been mentioned in far more notable blogs than mine, the fact that they are repaying it is - to an extent - an admission of guilt. If a burglar returns a TV to the owner then he also could expect a criminal record and/or fine. Why not with these people?

And who would like a side bet that whatever they repay will be made-up in other ways, not yet in the public eye?

You have a blog...?

Yup, only an occasional thing though, in bouts of semi-sobriety  8)
I'll drag the link out of you will I?  ::)

Not yet, I don't really like it  redface:
Old Holborn just gave it away on GOM!  point:

TBH None of them are very good ~ most seem to feel that foul language is a substitute for sound argument and too many rely on rehashing content from The Daily Mail and other such sources whereas the really good ones have sources of their own.
That is why Guido remains at Number One (despite OH's claims to such a huge readership ..... OH also neglects to tell us how many of the 10,000 mentioned are repeat viewers)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 14, 2009, 09:49:45 AM
This guy has been allover the news this week condemning troughing. ANd lo.....

Quote
Norman Baker, the LibDem MP for Lewes who has been at the forefront of criticism of MPs over expenses claims, has today come under fire in his local newspaper, the Brighton Argus for claiming £7,500 rent for his parliamentary office - a building which he owns.
An MP who led criticism of Parliamentary expenses has admitted claiming about £20,000 from the taxpayer to rent an office he already owned. Norman Baker, Liberal Democrat MP for Lewes, claimed the cash to rent a constituency office in the building he had bought as his own home.

The 51-year-old has become a regular “talking head” on news programmes in recent days and repeatedly condemned the extravagant expenses claims which have outraged the nation this week.

His political opponents last night branded him a hypocrite after details emerged of his arrangement to claim money to rent the office space at the house he owned in High Street, Lewes.

Mr Baker said yesterday he had checked he was not breaking any rules before buying the house and making the claims. He said he had claimed roughly £7,500 a year for about three years after buying the house for £310,000 in September 2000.

He told The Argus: “I was entitled to claim money from the taxpayer for the rent of an office to carry out my parliamentary office.”...

Julian Lewis, a Conservative MP who crossed swords with Mr Baker when the Liberal made comments to a national newspaper in a story about Mr Lewis's expenses claims, said: “It is utter hypocrisy.


I am losing the capacity to be stunned  noooo:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on May 14, 2009, 09:50:09 AM
One down...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8049614.stm
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 14, 2009, 09:53:00 AM
He has not resigned as an MP. Nor has the fragrant mrs Kirkbride, who was in collusion with him over the scam
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 14, 2009, 09:53:26 AM
Where's a revolution when you need one.

I saw the BNP political broadcast last night, I have an uncomfortable feeling that they are going to make serious gains over the whole thing.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 14, 2009, 10:19:33 AM
Watch the muppet wriggle

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8047587.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8047587.stm)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 14, 2009, 10:33:22 AM
While he did wriggle he is the first MP to admit he is only paying it back because he was caught out.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 14, 2009, 10:36:34 AM
Blears?
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 14, 2009, 11:03:33 AM
Squirrel Nutkin may have been the first to pay it back but she still hasnt directly said that she was in the wrong.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Demeanour on May 14, 2009, 11:08:16 AM
Squirrel Nutkin may have been the first to pay it back but she still hasnt directly said that she was in the wrong.

She shouldn't be paying back her estimates of what would equate to the Capital gains tax  - but also pay back all of the profit that she has made from public funds   evil:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 14, 2009, 11:11:54 AM
The problem is that Gordo isnt going to dare and enforce that Miss D as the amount paid back would be the final nail in the coffing not just for the government but for the Labour and possibly the Conservative parties. I suspect that the Lib Dems will take a hit as well but nowhere near as much if Clegg is pushing it as part of his agenda.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: TG on May 14, 2009, 11:14:48 AM
Apparently Fabian Hamilton has been a very naughty boy, claiming mortgage expenses while living with his mother.

Lets see Gordo handle this one.

He was just interviewed on talksport. Played the sympathy card, dying (now dead) mother. Had to look after her etc.

The Talksport interviewers are lightweights but didn't have any problems making him squirm. But there again, who would?
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 14, 2009, 11:19:37 AM
Something tells me that Elliot Morely with be the next one to go, the question is will he fall on his sword or will gordo push him.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8049096.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8049096.stm)

Thieving b'stard, I know people who don't earn that much in a year.  evil:

Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 14, 2009, 12:23:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ZO6w0rl6Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ZO6w0rl6Y)
 whistle:

Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Uncle Mort on May 14, 2009, 12:49:08 PM
I was beginning to think my local MP Bill Rammell wasn't troughing but...


Local paper link (http://www.harlowstar.co.uk/harlowstar/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=403429)


 cussing: 
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 14, 2009, 12:59:14 PM
They are just about all tainted ~ we either have to accept that and move on or kick the lot out and do what????????????????
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Demeanour on May 14, 2009, 01:03:14 PM
Can't wait for the European and local elections on June 4th - turnout is going to be at an all time high  noooo:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 14, 2009, 01:10:27 PM
We usually get about 33% turnout in the village and think we've done well. No-one lives more than half a mile from the polling station  noooo:

Local Tories rang and asked if we wanted a lift one year ~ I couldn't not tell them I am the key holder to the polling station because I live opposite.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 14, 2009, 01:11:31 PM
I know this will never happen but recent events have got me thinking. What would happen if nobody at all turned out to vote in a general elextion or everyone ticked a 'none of the above' box?
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Demeanour on May 14, 2009, 01:12:57 PM
We usually get about 33% turnout in the village and think we've done well. No-one lives more than half a mile from the polling station  noooo:

Local Tories rang and asked if we wanted a lift one year ~ I couldn't not tell them I am the key holder to the polling station because I live opposite.

I'm working on them on the day ....they are usually a long and tiring day but this one is going to be the MOST boring one to date I fear  noooo:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on May 14, 2009, 01:13:01 PM
I know this will never happen but recent events have got me thinking. What would happen if nobody at all turned out to vote in a general elextion or everyone ticked a 'none of the above' box?

It would go to extra time and then penalties  ;D
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 14, 2009, 01:15:29 PM
Taking that question seriously the constitutional position is that although we elect Members of Parliament the Monarch can select anyone she chooses to ask them to form a Government and they may then appoint their cabinet ~ none of whom have to be elected ~ and carry on as before.

 Of course it will never happen but ...................  rubschin:



On balance I would prefer to see the candidates slug it out in the ring.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 14, 2009, 01:20:50 PM
I wrote to my useless MP about his expenses. He hasn't replied for some reason  evil:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 14, 2009, 01:21:23 PM
Prolly couldn't borrow a stamp.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 14, 2009, 01:27:26 PM
I see Morely has been suspended.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8049096.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8049096.stm)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 14, 2009, 01:30:25 PM
From a lamp-post?

Oh, ' from the party'

So he still gets his salary and stuff then!!
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 14, 2009, 01:32:10 PM
I see that there are very very few who have not claimed a "second homes allowance" or have been realistic in their claiming.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8048215.stm
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Pastis on May 14, 2009, 01:38:57 PM
My MP got the tongue lashing from Gorbals Mick  eeek:  It would appear she's an  angel1 in comparison to some!
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 14, 2009, 01:47:45 PM
Ah yes, Ms Hoey. I met her once. Considerably more wrinkly in the flesh than she appears in pics, but good for her for having a go!
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 14, 2009, 01:50:27 PM
The fragrant Kate Hoey ~ there was a time I considered her to be quite fanciable, but she has aged somewhat since then ~ mind you so have I which some might say evens matters out a bit. Do you think I have a chance?
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 14, 2009, 02:25:02 PM
She is skinny, and thus susceptible to being crushed/squashed. Best not.

If she were sprayed with Vaseline she might flesh out, like
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Demeanour on May 14, 2009, 02:27:40 PM
She is skinny, and thus susceptible to being crushed/squashed. Best not.

If she were sprayed with Vaseline she might flesh out, like

How the feck do you spray Vaseline   eeek:

What on earth goes on in your world   noooo:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 14, 2009, 02:31:25 PM
Have you not encountered Vaseline spray?  eeek:

My life would be incomplete without it
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 14, 2009, 02:36:30 PM
What on earth goes on in your world   noooo:

Miss D there are some questions that are never meant to be answered. Do you seriously want to see what going in inside Nick's mind?  eeek:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 14, 2009, 02:39:33 PM
She is skinny, and thus susceptible to being crushed/squashed. Best not.

If she were sprayed with Vaseline she might flesh out, like

She would be welcome to take the upper position  cloud9:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Demeanour on May 14, 2009, 02:41:14 PM
She is skinny, and thus susceptible to being crushed/squashed. Best not.

If she were sprayed with Vaseline she might flesh out, like

She would be welcome to take the upper position  cloud9:

But definitely not the moral high ground  eyes:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 14, 2009, 02:41:52 PM
As much of a shower as Labour are they'd probably pass your invite on to Squirrel Nutkin or Uncle Ruth by mistake.  whistle:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 14, 2009, 02:53:23 PM
Hang on ~ this is "The Commons" wherein we are supposed not to engage in banidage and the like.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Demeanour on May 14, 2009, 02:54:23 PM
We've been corrupted as well  eeek:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 14, 2009, 02:55:38 PM
I managed to engage in a little banter while still making a comment about how inept this government is so I get away with it.  whistle:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 14, 2009, 02:59:17 PM
We've been corrupted as well  eeek:

Corruption breeds corruption they say ~ not sure who they are but they say that and lots of other stuff too.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Pastis on May 14, 2009, 03:23:38 PM
Shall I pass these comments on to Kate when I see her next?   eeek:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Darwins Selection on May 14, 2009, 04:13:35 PM
Hang on ~ this is "The Commons" wherein we are supposed not to engage in banidage and the like.

I think it may be acceptable to do that.

Badinage however, is strictly verboten.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 14, 2009, 04:17:05 PM
Hang on ~ this is "The Commons" wherein we are supposed not to engage in banidage and the like.

I think it may be acceptable to do that.

Badinage however, is strictly verboten.

 redface: redface: redface: redface:
Thanks matey ~ I searched the friggin dictionary to check the spelling and couldn't find it ~ asked SWWLTBO (Her wiv the Hons Degree and teeching qualificashuns an all) and whilst we agreed that it didn't look right decided to go with it. Well at least two of us knew wot I meant if not wot I said.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Creant Commander of the picklement and baking BAb(Hons) on May 14, 2009, 04:20:52 PM
Hang on ~ this is "The Commons" wherein we are supposed not to engage in banidage and the like.

I think it may be acceptable to do that.

Badinage however, is strictly verboten.

As is bondinage, I trust?




Is it possible for we the public to bring about a public prosecution/execution?
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 14, 2009, 04:34:05 PM
Banidage does appear in the dictionary in regard to the binding of wound etc. rubschin:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 15, 2009, 06:24:28 AM
MPs and meeja commentators keep going on about how the (flawed) expenses system has been introduced because the public would not have accepted an increase in MP's pay...

Nobody asks why the public would be upset if their MPs got a pay rise...

Clearly, if MPs were doing a great job, protecting the borders, fighting crime, generating jobs, etc. instead of persecuting motorists, meddling with the education system and NHS, and pandering to the whims of every single fucking minority group in the world the public would be delighted to give them a pay rise.

As it is this bunch of cheating, lying, incompetent clueless scum don't deserve their base salary and benefits!  cussing:

I've yet to watch Question Time - I gather it was a bit raucous...?

Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Uncle Mort on May 15, 2009, 07:20:33 AM
I note that no MP has made an 'honest mistake' or 'error of judgement' that resulted in underclaiming  ;)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 15, 2009, 07:27:38 AM
I note that no MP has made an 'honest mistake' or 'error of judgement' that resulted in underclaiming  ;)
lol: lol: lol:

Quite so Uncle...
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Creant Commander of the picklement and baking BAb(Hons) on May 15, 2009, 07:41:04 AM
I note that no MP has made an 'honest mistake' or 'error of judgement' that resulted in underclaiming  ;)
lol: lol: lol:

Quite so Uncle...

Wot he said Uncle, Question Time made interesting viewing last night.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Uncle Mort on May 15, 2009, 07:45:58 AM
I missed it ~ have to catch up on iplayer sometime.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: GROWLER on May 15, 2009, 09:00:35 AM
QT was most entertaining last night. Watching our MP's squirm was most enjoyable. They deserve all that's coming to them. cloud9:

Any scurrilous news on the expenses claim for the upkeep and maintainance of the Seven Bellies Prescott pie mountain yet?

Please don't tell me that the rancid ginger bearded turgid turd of the north, A.Miller and his equally rancid wife have been whiter than white, as I shall be heartbroken.  sad32:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on May 15, 2009, 09:15:31 AM
OH is going for a walk soon. I think I'll tag along...

http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/2009/05/coming-soon.html
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 15, 2009, 11:11:09 AM
I see Malik has resigned

Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 15, 2009, 12:11:05 PM
OH is going for a walk soon. I think I'll tag along...

http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/2009/05/coming-soon.html

Is it next week... I could come too...  whistle:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on May 15, 2009, 12:39:27 PM
I missed it ~ have to catch up on iplayer sometime.

I'm watching it now, the peasants are revolting!
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Creant Commander of the picklement and baking BAb(Hons) on May 15, 2009, 02:30:58 PM
Has anyone ascertained which Electoral roll Margaret Moran's partner is registered on? rubschin:  I bet that it's not Southampton.  If he is registered in Luton I assume that Ms Moran will be hung draw and quartered.



I have just been on her website she has published the Luton South Antisocial Behaviour handbook, I can feel an ASBO coming on.
 
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 15, 2009, 02:44:26 PM
He is on both and therefore has two votes
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 15, 2009, 05:09:07 PM
I note that no MP has made an 'honest mistake' or 'error of judgement' that resulted in underclaiming  ;)
lol: lol: lol:

Quite so Uncle...

Wot he said Uncle, Question Time made interesting viewing last night.
That Margaret Becket....  noooo:

Do you think she'd still have that gormless smile on her face as the noose was put around her neck...?  eveilgrin:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 16, 2009, 07:54:52 AM
Second Labour MP claims for non-existent mortgage as Justice Minister quits

Quote from: Times Online
David Chaytor has become the second Labour MP to admit claiming thousands of pounds of taxpayers’ money for interest on a non-existent mortgage, it emerged last night.

The MP for Bury North will pay back £13,000 claimed on expenses after telling The Daily Telegraph that he had made an “unforgivable error” by continuing to submit monthly claims for £1,175 for months after the loan was paid off.

Source (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6297705.ece)

I think it must be something in the collapso at the HoC bar... makes them forget like...  noooo:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 16, 2009, 10:46:32 AM
I still think it the best show in town.  lol: lol: lol:

"Houses of Parliament" Now showing on a news channel near you

"It's a riot" says Quentin Letts

"Never Laughed so much" says Nick Robinson

"F*CKING TROUGHERS" says Old Holborn

"The best thing in London ~ you couldn't make it up ~ Funniest thing since the French Revolution" says The Times
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 16, 2009, 01:00:06 PM
I still think it the best show in town.  lol: lol: lol:

"Houses of Parliament" Now showing on a news channel near you

"It's a riot" says Quentin Letts

"Never Laughed so much" says Nick Robinson

"F*CKING TROUGHERS" says Old Holborn

"The best thing in London ~ you couldn't make it up ~ Funniest thing since the French Revolution" says The Times
Bunch of complete  censored: say the Virtual Pubbers...
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Pastis on May 16, 2009, 03:26:06 PM
I have to do my VAT return in a couple of days; at the bottom of the form, in BOLD type is the statement...

A false declaration could result in prosecution

I wonder if the same sentence appears on their expense forms?  cussing:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 16, 2009, 03:31:53 PM
I think we all know the answer to that one don't we?


Part of the problem seems to be a culture of "running all expenses past the Fees Office" and waiting to see what they will pay and what they will refuse.
This leaves the claimants with the ready excuse of "It wasn't clear so I asked and they said yes".
Well if you cannot tell what is a legitimate expense and what is not then you don't have the brains to be my MP ~ Yes I know, sooooooo simple really.


Mind you when you see that the Met are now investigating whether it is worth their while starting an investigation (They have set up a team to "consider" the matter) and then you remember how many middle and senior ranking Met Officers have been caught misusing their corporate Amex Cards you could be forgiven for feeling that nothing will be done other than a few goats will be driven out into the desert of civilian life.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Demeanour on May 16, 2009, 06:47:57 PM
I know we have been concentrating on the big numbers but equally I find claims like this absolutely astounding - Chris Huhne claimed 79p  for a packet of biscuits?

What an utter utter utter utter tight fisted tosser  Banghead Banghead Banghead
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Just One More on May 16, 2009, 07:01:42 PM
Be fair Miss D, they were Hobnobs, you never know who you may meet if you have some Hobnobs hanging around  whistle:

I'm sure it's been done before... Elliot Morley, the cunt in Scunthorpe
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 17, 2009, 07:28:25 AM
Michael Martin ‘waged reign of terror’ over expenses

Quote from: Times Online
THE expenses scandal is poised to claim its biggest victim as Michael Martin, the Commons Speaker held responsible for blocking reform, suffers a volley of damaging allegations this weekend.

For the first time one of his former aides has broken ranks to speak out about his “reign of terror” that allegedly prevented officials from defusing the expenses crisis.

Martin is also facing questions after three senior law enforcement officials appeared to challenge his account of the botched police inquiry into Damian Green, the Tory MP.

Source (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6301844.ece)

He should go... but if he goes he should take his paymasters in Labour with him... It is time.  eveilgrin:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 18, 2009, 07:53:05 AM
One of our local MPs exposed as trougher this morning. Why am I not surprised? No news yet on mine and Growler's useless inflatable MP  evil:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 18, 2009, 07:54:35 AM
One of our local MPs exposed as trougher this morning. Why am I not surprised? No news yet on mine and Growler's useless inflatable MP  evil:
I think this is Day 11?

No doubt they will be holding the best 'til last!  eveilgrin:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 18, 2009, 08:02:37 AM
Well this morning's seems relatively minor, UNTIL you start to seee that there is collusion between MPs and the Fees Office which implicates many others  evil:

Quote
This Scandal Just Got a Whole Lot Worse
Iain Dale 11:17 PM
The expenses scandal takes a new twist tonight. The Telegraph reveals that the House of Commons Fees Office has been complicit in allowing MPs to overclaim thousands of pounds in illicit mortgage claims.

House of Commons officials colluded with MPs to let them make inflated claims on their mortgages, leaked internal documents seen by The Daily Telegraph have disclosed. Parliamentary authorities, overseen by Michael Martin, the Speaker, gave secret permission for some MPs to over-claim for thousands of pounds in home loan interest in deals that led to the systematic abuse of the taxpayer-funded expenses system.

Ben Chapman, a Labour MP, admitted last night that he was allowed to continue claiming for interest payments on his entire mortgage after repaying £295,000 of the loan in 2002. Over 10 months the arrangement allowed Mr Chapman to receive £15,000 for the part of the home loan which had been paid off. Last night, he said he would not give back the money.

Permission to claim “phantom” mortgage payments is understood to have been offered to several MPs before 2004. It was stopped after Commons officials admitted it should never have been allowed. Michael Martin has been Speaker since 2000 and was therefore ultimately responsible for the arrangements – which has never been independently investigated. The arrangements – for which the justification is not clear – came to light in the claims files of Mr Chapman, the Labour MP for Wirral South.

Mr Chapman, who has been a ministerial aide, approached the fees office at the end of 2002 to explain that he was repaying £295,939 of the mortgage on his designated second home in Lambeth, south-east London. This reduced the interest payments – met by the taxpayer – from £1,900 to £400 per month.

“By paying off capital I am forgoing interest and investment opportunities elsewhere,” he told the fees office.

He and an official “thus agreed that the mortgage should remain for ACA (Additional Costs Allowance) purposes at the original amount”.

An email between senior officials within the fees office discusses Mr Chapman’s case and discloses that it is not unique. “… I have heard similar arrangements being agreed to in the past,” one said. “Personally, I do not believe that such an arrangement should ever have been suggested.”


Things just got a whole lot worse. Someone in Parliament must take responsibility for the laxity of the Fees Office. Ultimately the Speaker is responsible, but there are officials who earn six figure salaries who need to be held to account too. They should be named and shamed. And then sacked.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 18, 2009, 10:12:08 AM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6301734.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6301734.ece)  cussing: cussing: cussing: cussing: cussing:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Pastis on May 18, 2009, 03:46:17 PM
Gorbals Mick apologises  eeek: 

 noooo: noooo:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 18, 2009, 04:22:25 PM
Bet he had his fingers crossed behind his back ~ B@st@rd! cussing:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 18, 2009, 04:25:46 PM
He just wants his £100000 and his Peerage, the SCOTTISH bastard  cussing: cussing: cussing: cussing: cussing: cussing:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Demeanour on May 18, 2009, 05:18:00 PM
Serious fallout is now occurring  eeek:

Esther Rantzen has said she has received a "very warm" response to her proposal to stand for election against a Labour MP criticised for her expenses claims.
The TV presenter has suggested she might take on Luton South MP Margaret Moran, who has agreed to repay £22,500 she claimed for treating dry rot at her home in Southampton, 100 miles from her constituency.
Ms Rantzen said she had not yet committed herself to running and would now visit the Bedfordshire town to judge whether local people wanted her to stand.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 18, 2009, 05:22:35 PM
Given that 50% of Luton is Muslim I shouldn't think a Jewish lady called Esther Rantzen would stand a cat in hells chance.
They'd embrace someone like Keith Vaz tho'.

I assume the silly bitch has never been there.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Pastis on May 18, 2009, 05:25:00 PM
Who's the MP for Golders Green?  whistle:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 18, 2009, 05:29:12 PM
Who's the MP for Golders Green?  whistle:

(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theyworkforyou.com%2Fimages%2Fmps%2F10616.jpg&hash=6ac49c3fa66d32d4d46e63487f3af5c5952bf939)

Answers to the name of Rudi Vis.
Golders Green now includes Finchley once the personal fiefdom of Our Blessed Lady of Finchley and personal friend of my MiL.

Rudi enjoys a very small majority of 741 and currently holds the seat for Labour.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 18, 2009, 05:34:51 PM
Further to Rudi Vis MP for Finchley and Golders Green (a constiuency not a million miles by bus from the Houses of Parliament)

Quote
Expenses

Figures in brackets are ranks. Parliament's explanatory notes.
Type   2007/08 (ranking out of 645)   2006/07 (ranking out of 645)   2005/06   2004/05 (ranking out of 659)   2003/04 (ranking out of 658)   2002/03 (ranking out of 657)   2001/02 (ranking out of 657)
Additional Costs Allowance   £23,083 (joint 1st)    £17,211 (459th)    £0    £0    £0    £15,000 (521st)    £15,333 (joint 319th)
London Supplement   £0    £904 (49th)    £2,613    £1,618 (joint 1st)    £1,574 (joint 1st)    £0    £0
Incidental Expenses Provision   £21,328 (141st)    £20,385 (322nd)    £19,868    £19,298 (joint 144th)    £18,756 (joint 302nd)    £18,218 (joint 241st)    £17,062 (joint 264th)
Staffing Allowance   £88,910 (277th)    £87,237 (177th)    £82,673    £77,511 (joint 87th)    £73,764 (65th)    £63,931 (342nd)    £53,481 (91st)
Communications Allowance   £9,390 (242nd)    N/A    N/A    N/A    N/A    N/A    N/A
Members' Travel   £5,905 (406th)*    £5,090 (466th)**    £2,616    £4,680 (546th)    £3,726 (569th)    £3,558 (578th)    £2,840 (571st)
Members' Staff Travel   £0    £0    £0    £0    £0    £0    £0
Members' Spouse Travel   £0    N/A    N/A    N/A    N/A    N/A    N/A
Members' Family Travel   £0    N/A    N/A    N/A    N/A    N/A    N/A
Centrally Purchased Stationery   £2,104 (17th)    £3,879 (28th)    £3,496    £3,260 (44th)    £5,574 (8th)    £2,971 (25th)    £1,152 (278th)
Stationery: Associated Postage Costs   £4,630 (89th)    £10,105 (34th)    £8,878    £7,405 (74th)    £13,117 (14th)    N/A    N/A
Centrally Provided Computer Equipment   £1,378 (joint 81st)    £1,175 (joint 136th)    £0    £1,875 (joint 357th)    £1,875 (joint 350th)    £1,875 (joint 342nd)    £1,875 (joint 322nd)
Other Costs   £0    £0    £0    £0    £0    £0    £0
Total   £156,728 (153rd)    £145,986 (154th)    £120,144    £115,647 (481st)    £118,386 (346th)    £105,553 (481st)    £91,743 (241st)

* Regular journeys between home/constituency/Westminster: Mileage £5,292 (84th). Other: European £613 (91st).

** Car £5,090 (139th).


Oh and his name is Rudolf but he likes to be known as Dr Rudi Vis ~ no idea about family/wife etc as no web site mentions them.
I therefore make the usual male assumption.

This is a better pic tho'
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Guido seems to have doubts about him http://tinyurl.com/cex3jd
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 18, 2009, 05:45:52 PM
There is loads of dirt on him
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 18, 2009, 05:49:48 PM
Being joint first for claiming the most in "Additional Costs Allowance" is all one needs to know really ~ a trougher of the first order.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Pastis on May 18, 2009, 05:56:27 PM
Well Esther might be better off starting there...  rubschin:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 18, 2009, 05:58:46 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Demeanour on May 18, 2009, 07:26:13 PM
Poet Laureate  - Carol Ann Duffy has read an improvised rhyme about the MPs' expenses controversy to highlight how anything can inspire new verse.

The quick verse read: "What did we do with the trust of your vote?/ Hired a flunky to flush out the moat."

Duffy said: "I think as a poet I did consider the MPs' expenses thing, but it's just too much of an open goal for me so I'll wait for something a bit more subtle to write about.


 noooo: noooo: noooo:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 18, 2009, 07:50:24 PM
Wimmin  noooo:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Darwins Selection on May 18, 2009, 10:04:44 PM
Now boys and girls let me give you a riddle, name one MP who is not on the fiddle?
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on May 19, 2009, 07:56:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CZoRpSOm0Y

H/T OH
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 19, 2009, 10:05:16 AM
Speaker to resign at 2.30
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on May 19, 2009, 10:06:25 AM
Speaker to resign at 2.30

With immediate effect? I doubt it...
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 19, 2009, 10:09:05 AM
I think it will be immediate. After yesterday's performance he knows the game is up
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Darwins Selection on May 19, 2009, 10:12:08 AM
I think it will be immediate. After yesterday's performance he knows the game is up
You can meet up for a drink when he gets back to Glasgow.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 19, 2009, 10:13:00 AM
 eeek:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 19, 2009, 04:18:24 PM
He goes in five weeks ~ very poor show. Load the revolver and pour him a drink someone, then close the door and wait for the bang.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Pastis on May 19, 2009, 04:37:20 PM
I read that Scargill's Socialist Labour Party did well at the last election (Glasgow North East) because great numbers of voters didn't recognise the word Speaker alongside Martin's name...

"I'm nae votin' for a Speaker Party; who the feck are they?"
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 19, 2009, 04:38:25 PM
Surprised they could read  whistle:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on May 20, 2009, 09:43:04 AM
Esther Rantzen WILL stand at the next election in Luton South.

 happy001 happy001 happy001
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 21, 2009, 12:08:53 AM
Esther Rantzen WILL stand at the next election in Luton South.

 happy001 happy001 happy001

As an independant or member of the Ambulance Chasers Party?
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Pastis on May 21, 2009, 07:20:20 PM
A house for your ducks!  eeek:

doh:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Uncle Mort on May 22, 2009, 07:28:07 AM
According to Conservative MP Anthony Steen my outrage is purely because I'm jealous of his "very, very large house".

I knew it end up being my fault.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 25, 2009, 11:18:20 AM
Found on the intermong


A
Quote
listair Darling is among nine cabinet members who used £11,000 of taxpayers' money to pay for personal accountancy advice, the Daily Telegraph has said.

Hold on. This is the guy who, together with Gordon Brown, actually devised the tax system. Now it seems he doesn't understand it.

Why the hell is he Chancellor of the Exchequer? Wouldn't it be a good idea to have someone in that post who can count to 12 without taking his shoes and socks off?

He's come up with a tax system so cumbersome, convoluted and unwieldy that he has to employ someone to explain it to him. What chance do the rest of us have? Unlike Darling and his colleagues, we can't just shove it on expenses along with everything else.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Just One More on May 27, 2009, 07:22:26 PM
 £93 million  (http://img.mediaspanonline.com/5964/3692628.xls)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on May 28, 2009, 12:18:07 PM
Dominoes

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8070742.stm
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 28, 2009, 12:37:55 PM
Dominoes

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8070742.stm

Quote from: A Bitch
Announcing her decision, she said she "must take into account the effects on my family" of the row.

Keep digging love! Never mind your constituents and the tax payers that funded your largesse...  noooo:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Uncle Mort on May 28, 2009, 02:58:38 PM
Dominoes

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8070742.stm

Quote from: A Bitch
Announcing her decision, she said she "must take into account the effects on my family" of the row.

Keep digging love! Never mind your constituents and the tax payers that funded your largesse...  noooo:

Still digging:

Quote
"But until this week's furore, it didn't cross my mind that I had done anything wrong."
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Uncle Mort on May 28, 2009, 03:03:17 PM
They are not exactly poorly paid, even without expenses.

 cussing:


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Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 28, 2009, 03:16:41 PM
They are not exactly poorly paid, even without expenses.

 cussing:


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Yes, but all that responsibility Uncle...  ::)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Creant Commander of the picklement and baking BAb(Hons) on May 28, 2009, 03:21:41 PM
Not to mention the pressure of filling out expense claims. noooo:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 28, 2009, 03:22:52 PM
Not to mention the pressure of filling out expense claims. noooo:
I thought you said not to mention it???  Banghead
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Creant Commander of the picklement and baking BAb(Hons) on May 28, 2009, 03:30:58 PM
 cool14:  You haven't seen me, right.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Uncle Mort on May 28, 2009, 03:33:53 PM

You do appear to be a 'leg-end'  ;)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 28, 2009, 03:35:20 PM
No 10 defends ministers over tax

Quote from: BBC Web Shite
Downing Street has said that "to the best of our knowledge" ministers named in the Daily Telegraph "appear to have honoured their tax liabilities".

"We are in the process of checking whether ministers... are paying the tax that is due," a spokesman added.

More than 40 Labour ministers were reimbursed for help with tax returns.

Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8069371.stm)

Keep digging!  lol:

Of course it is perfectly normal for everybody to do this...  ::)

I've just had the valuer around to value the contents of my stepfather's house... He has to actually come in and rummage through the draws and cupboards to ensure that the government gets its 40% of everything that the old man had saved up for (out of his taxed earnings)...

And this lot twist and fiddle and lie to extract every last penny out of taxpayers like my stepfather...  noooo:

They're not worthy to lick his boots clean - none of them.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Demeanour on May 29, 2009, 08:07:41 AM
The MPs who stand down following the expenses scandal will cost the taxpayer more than £1 million over the next year.

Conservative Julie Kirkbride and Labour's Margaret Moran have become the latest to succumb to intense public pressure and have announced they will not be standing at the next General Election.

Ten other MPs are also stepping down following the revelations in the Daily Telegraph.

It has emerged they will each receive salaries and gold-plated pensions as well as generous "redundancy" pay-outs of between £32,000 and £65,000 when they leave office.


 noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 29, 2009, 08:12:13 AM
They should all be hanged... I'm sure the taxpayers would endorse a long length of strong rope...

They pretty much all got a good kicking on QT last night - the worms are definitely turning...
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on May 29, 2009, 08:37:18 AM
I don't think they should be hanged, a far more appropriate punishment would be to ban them from claiming any expenses, cancel any pension or payout, pay then the minimum wage (suspending it entirely if they don't do their job) till they go, ban them from taking on any extra jobs and if they go before a general election make them pay the admin costs if they quit beforehand & trigger a byelection.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 29, 2009, 08:42:56 AM
I don't think they should be hanged, a far more appropriate punishment would be to ban them from claiming any expenses, cancel any pension or payout, pay then the minimum wage (suspending it entirely if they don't do their job) till they go, ban them from taking on any extra jobs and if they go before a general election make them pay the admin costs if they quit beforehand & trigger a byelection.
Or simply hang them...?  rubschin:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 29, 2009, 10:36:05 AM

(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.postimage.org%2FPq14c2Qi.jpg&hash=26f41d5ea3ff1f509dfa125ade15de9d1d2b0561) (http://www.postimage.org/)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on May 29, 2009, 11:01:20 AM
Tom Brake just knocked on my door asking for my support in the up-comming polls.

I don't think he was ready for the volley of abuse that issued forth. After ten minutes two PCSOs turned up and lurked menacingly in the background. He scurried off muttering about "other constituents to meet"   evil:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Uncle Mort on May 29, 2009, 11:10:13 AM
Has he actually 'misclaimed' any expenses though?  rubschin:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 29, 2009, 11:12:42 AM
Has he actually 'misclaimed' any expenses though?  rubschin:
Whoo cares Uncle? String im up with the rest of them!  cussing:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on May 29, 2009, 11:14:40 AM
Has he actually 'misclaimed' any expenses though?  rubschin:

No, he's squeaky clean - and I let him know that I knew that; my abuse was aimed at the whole squalid bunch of them in Westminster.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Uncle Mort on May 29, 2009, 11:16:04 AM
Good man  happy088
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Creant Commander of the picklement and baking BAb(Hons) on May 29, 2009, 05:21:26 PM
The MPs who stand down following the expenses scandal will cost the taxpayer more than £1 million over the next year.

Conservative Julie Kirkbride and Labour's Margaret Moran have become the latest to succumb to intense public pressure and have announced they will not be standing at the next General Election.

Ten other MPs are also stepping down following the revelations in the Daily Telegraph.

It has emerged they will each receive salaries and gold-plated pensions as well as generous "redundancy" pay-outs of between £32,000 and £65,000 when they leave office.


 noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo: noooo:

You are right Miss D, if they don't leave before the next General Election then the poor dears get loads of our money to help them adjust to normal life, golden handshakes, to keep them comfortable in whichever of their homes they choose to live in. I wonder why they are all clinging on for dear life, I'm sure it must be because they don't want to leave us in the lurch and in turmoil.  Explode:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8074351.stm
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 29, 2009, 05:24:39 PM
Given the state of the country's finances thanks to Gordon Brown a few millions more is not going to make a whole lot of difference TBH.

Let them dig the hole as deep as they can then bury them  eveilgrin:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on May 31, 2009, 06:35:16 PM
Finally today's Telegraph carries details of my local trougher's expenses. He has maxed out his second home allowance and has a high travel and postage claim but they don't seem to have spotted anything worth stabbing him for. I am not sure whether to be pleased as he, tho' labour, is a good constituency MP or worried because he has been too dense to spot the chance to line his pockets ~ but then he is a teacher by profession.

I still won't vote for the arse!
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 31, 2009, 06:45:25 PM
Mine seems comparatively untainted, but the devil is in the details, as we have learnt
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 01, 2009, 06:52:58 AM
Darling in further expense claims

Quote from: BBC Web Shite
Chancellor Alastair Darling is facing further potentially damaging allegations about his expenses.

The Daily Telegraph says he claimed for costs on a flat in south London while claiming allowances on his grace-and-favour home in Downing Street.

Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8076405.stm)

Quote
A spokesman for Mr Darling said the allegations were "simply untrue".

True then...  ::)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 01, 2009, 10:05:22 PM
Go Paxman, Harman is getting royally stuffed on Newsnight. Stupid tart is about as convincing as Del Boy.

Darling is buggered though, she is refusing to comment on his future.

Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 02, 2009, 07:53:01 AM
Quote from: Professor Michael Eysenck
Sir, There has been much discussion as to the number of MPs who deserve censure. I suggest the following answer. There was a crucial vote on the Freedom of Information (Amendment) Bill on May 18, 2007, a Bill designed to prevent the FoI Act being applied to MPs’ expenses. Only 25 MPs opposed this Bill. Thus, 96 per cent of MPs showed distressingly little interest in the public’s right to know about their expenses. We may take that figure as an approximate indication of the percentage of MPs deserving of censure.

Source (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/letters/article6400862.ece)

 happ096

Excellent letter in The Times yesterday...
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on June 02, 2009, 08:46:57 AM
RESULT!

Patricia Hewitt, the former Cabinet minister, is the latest MP to announce she is standing down at the next election.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/labour/5427438/Patricia-Hewitt-to-stand-down-as-MP-at-general-election.html

Nick WILL be pleased!








PS She says it is nothing to do with Expenses ~ She wants to spend more time with her family!  happy001 Of course we believe you Patsy  ::)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Uncle Mort on June 02, 2009, 08:54:19 AM
But:

Quote
She today said that her decision had nothing to do with the on-going MPs' expenses scandal.


and

Quote
She said she wanted to spend more time with her husband, Bill, and children, Alex and Nick.


Of course dear, of course.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on June 02, 2009, 08:55:37 AM
Two minds with but one thought Uncle.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Uncle Mort on June 02, 2009, 10:39:47 AM
Another one:

Quote
Children's minister Beverley Hughes has also announced said she will stand down due to "family circumstances".

Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on June 02, 2009, 10:42:37 AM
 whistle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9SgtpkpPS8&feature=related
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 02, 2009, 11:42:34 AM
Quote from: Carnot
Good riddance to the “I’m not incompetent” Hughes. Not much. Couldn’t pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel.

 happy001

From here... (http://www.order-order.com/2009/06/david-chaytor-to-stand-down-patrica-hewitt-retiring-from-politics/#comments)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on June 02, 2009, 11:44:10 AM
David Chaytor, the Labour MP who claimed £13,000 for a mortgage that had already been paid off, said today that he was standing down because he did not want to be a "distraction" during Labour's general election campaign.
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/02/david-chaytor-expenses-standing-down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE


Oooooooooooooooooooo! This is fun. It's like watching dominoes toppling.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on June 02, 2009, 12:06:29 PM
I've heard that MPs are only allowed to enter Bluewater if accompanied by a hoodie.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 02, 2009, 12:25:46 PM
J'accuse is stepping down as Home Sec. At this rate Gordo wont have to do a reshuffle, he'll need a whole new cabinet.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on June 02, 2009, 12:32:07 PM
Don't mention "cabinet" GM, Wenchy will start bashing on about IKEA again...
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on June 02, 2009, 12:54:30 PM
By George! The Kitty is right!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5428871/Jacqui-Smith-to-resign-as-Home-Secretary.html

What odds on a General Election now?

Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 03, 2009, 02:06:05 AM
Anybody want to have a punt at how long it will be before call me Dave slaps Gordo with a vote of no confidence?
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on June 03, 2009, 07:20:21 AM
PMQs should be fun today!
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Darwins Selection on June 03, 2009, 07:46:07 AM
I've heard that MPs are only allowed to enter Bluewater if accompanied by a hoodie.

Except Mandelson, who will enter a hoodie at the drop of a hat.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Bar Wench on June 03, 2009, 09:37:03 AM
Blears gone too! That should please Nick!
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 03, 2009, 09:39:49 AM
Dropping like flies now!  lol:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on June 03, 2009, 09:42:52 AM
I want to see their severed heads on pikes  evil:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on June 03, 2009, 10:03:18 AM
Blears gone too! That should please Nick!

This all smacks of getting out before the re-shuffle so that they can say "I wasn't sacked ~ I resigned" ................. Tossers!
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 03, 2009, 10:19:16 AM
PMQs should be fun today!
Even Gordo must be shitting himself today - FFS how can you talk your way out of this lot...?  Shrugs:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on June 03, 2009, 10:23:13 AM
Gordon is in denial.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on June 03, 2009, 10:28:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3ogYg05e_Q

 8)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 03, 2009, 11:38:59 AM
PMQs - a bit shite really...  noooo:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 03, 2009, 12:08:04 PM
Rumours that Caroline Flint is about to resign too!!  razz:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Demeanour on June 03, 2009, 07:06:01 PM
So the vultures are circling and about to pounce ....but if Gordo goes who the hell is there that could possibly take over  rubschin:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 03, 2009, 07:14:38 PM
So the vultures are circling and about to pounce ....but if Gordo goes who the hell is there that could possibly take over  rubschin:
Me!  angel1
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 03, 2009, 07:46:03 PM
What can possibly go wrong?
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 03, 2009, 07:55:16 PM
What can possibly go wrong?
Nuffink!  razz:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Pastis on June 03, 2009, 09:23:22 PM
Don't forget to cast your vote tomorrow...  evil:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 04, 2009, 09:13:53 PM
James Purnell has just announced his resignation declaring that Gordo is a liability who will guarrantee the Tories get in at the next election.

Now the opinion the cabinet has regarding is out in the open the fun will begin.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on June 04, 2009, 09:14:24 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/04/james-purnell-resigns-gordon-brown-cabinet
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 04, 2009, 09:34:21 PM
 I wonder how much furniture Gordo smashed in his temper tantrum as Purnell announced it to the press before telling him to try & start a leadership contest.

I'd loved to have been a fly on that wall, especially as they showed his letter on the news lol:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 05, 2009, 04:25:03 AM
This is most excellent - today will be great fun!  cloud9:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Just One More on June 05, 2009, 04:41:44 AM
They're running this story on the news as I type. Diane Abbott MP, Caroline Flint MP, Shaun Woodward MP all think that Purnell was wrong in resigning and shouldn't have cited brown as the reason he went. You could almost hear each one saying, "Me sir, me sir, can I have that job sir"
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on June 05, 2009, 06:25:20 AM
They're running this story on the news as I type. Diane Abbott MP, Caroline Flint MP, Shaun Woodward MP all think that Purnell was wrong in resigning and shouldn't have cited brown as the reason he went. You could almost hear each one saying, "Me sir, me sir, can I have that job sir"

Three finer examples of fuckwittery you would be hard pushed to find.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 05, 2009, 07:37:42 AM
It sounds like Darling has refused to leave No. 11 & is likely to keep his job if/when the reshuffle is announced today.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on June 05, 2009, 07:49:24 AM
Details of the reshuffle imminent. Alan Sugar is now on BBC News 24 praising Brooin to the hilt. Tit.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 05, 2009, 07:59:26 AM
Just what has Gordo got on Sugar? "Gordon's experience as Chancellor make him the best man to get the country through the economic crisis".

Selling the gold reserves at a loss, destroying private pensions & either blithely ignoring or totally missing the nbvious warning signs regarding the economy before all hell broke loose.

Let's be honest here, if this was one of your Apprentice shows Alan you would just have 2 words for Gordo "You're fired!"
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 05, 2009, 08:08:01 AM
Just what has Gordo got on Sugar? "Gordon's experience as Chancellor make him the best man to get the country through the economic crisis".

Selling the gold reserves at a loss, destroying private pensions & either blithely ignoring or totally missing the nbvious warning signs regarding the economy before all hell broke loose.

Let's be honest here, if this was one of your Apprentice shows Alan you would just have 2 words for Gordo "You're fired!"
He prolly bought an Amstrad 512 and hasn't paid for it yet...
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 05, 2009, 08:15:02 AM
Just what has Gordo got on Sugar? "Gordon's experience as Chancellor make him the best man to get the country through the economic crisis".

Selling the gold reserves at a loss, destroying private pensions & either blithely ignoring or totally missing the nbvious warning signs regarding the economy before all hell broke loose.

Let's be honest here, if this was one of your Apprentice shows Alan you would just have 2 words for Gordo "You're fired!"
He prolly bought an Amstrad 512 and hasn't paid for it yet...

and has thrown it at someone  noooo:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 05, 2009, 08:15:34 AM
When will he go I wonder...?  rubschin:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 05, 2009, 08:17:07 AM
Talk of another Cabinet minister going shortly (Burnham). He will have no one left to reshuffle. FFS, he is promoting Yvette Balls!
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 05, 2009, 08:22:10 AM
It is farcical...

Even the BBC couldn't show it in a good light this morning - that's how bad it is!  ;D
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 05, 2009, 08:24:48 AM
I switched over to Sky News at 10.02 last night. Far better (i.e. more hostile) coverage.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 05, 2009, 08:35:19 AM
Mandy is talking about Purnell's resignation & surprise surprise his tongue is so far up Gordo's arse he can lick his teeth clean.

Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Darwins Selection on June 05, 2009, 08:35:27 AM
When will he go I wonder...?  rubschin:
Ladbrokes now have the election in October at 5/2.

I assume that will be when he goes.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 05, 2009, 08:36:01 AM
I think Broon will go within a week
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 05, 2009, 08:41:13 AM
I think Broon will go within a week
I agree... difficult to see how he can cling on...  noooo:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Darwins Selection on June 05, 2009, 08:42:59 AM
I think Broon will 'go' within a week

I am sure you are right.

You wouldn't think 'digestive transit' would be a problem for him right now.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on June 05, 2009, 09:12:43 AM
Sugar offered a role as "Enterprise Czar". FFS  evil:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 05, 2009, 09:13:26 AM
Like to see him in a room with Mandelson!  razz:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 05, 2009, 09:36:58 AM
John Hutton has resigned!! Apparently he wants to spend more time with his family
 char048

















Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 05, 2009, 09:41:28 AM
John Hutton has resigned!!
Excellent!

I note the BBC doesn't have the story - all the reporters there are probably tying ropes up in the eves...
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on June 05, 2009, 11:20:22 AM
Announcement by the Met and CPS have said they do not see that there are any cases for them to investigate. A few claims need further information from the Fees Office before they can make an "informed decision".

In short the b@st@rds have got away with it as far as Inspector Knacker is concerned ~ no surprise there then!
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 05, 2009, 11:32:10 AM
It sounds like Yvette Cooper is now Work & Pensions Sec. Christ I wouldnt even trust her to be the tea lady.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on June 05, 2009, 01:57:55 PM
Permatan Hain is back as Welsh Secretary
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on June 05, 2009, 02:52:40 PM
Geoff Hoon Out!

Margaret Becket Out!
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 05, 2009, 02:54:21 PM
Excellent, most excellent!  cloud9:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on June 05, 2009, 02:59:55 PM
Brown is stacking up the back benches with a number of potential Geoffrey Howes. OK we all know that Elspeth wrote his speech but it did for Maggie in the end. Elspeth had planned that assassination for years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1C2hieHKgA
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on June 05, 2009, 03:03:38 PM
Ian Gibson (who?) has resigned
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 05, 2009, 03:10:19 PM
He had his fingers in t he till. He is going immediately, triggering a bye-election  eveilgrin:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Just One More on June 05, 2009, 04:51:25 PM
They're running this story on the news as I type. Diane Abbott MP, Caroline Flint MP, Shaun Woodward MP all think that Purnell was wrong in resigning and shouldn't have cited brown as the reason he went. You could almost hear each one saying, "Me sir, me sir, can I have that job sir"

I see that Flint has now resigned and rounded on Brown. Somebody else obviously got the job she wanted. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned eh

Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: TG on June 05, 2009, 04:54:20 PM
 rubschin:

(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.postimage.org%2FPq1OsCwA.jpg&hash=e054c26affe385f3983e6808594bf5386d010de3) (http://www.postimage.org/)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 05, 2009, 04:55:24 PM
They're running this story on the news as I type. Diane Abbott MP, Caroline Flint MP, Shaun Woodward MP all think that Purnell was wrong in resigning and shouldn't have cited brown as the reason he went. You could almost hear each one saying, "Me sir, me sir, can I have that job sir"

I see that Flint has now resigned and rounded on Brown. Somebody else obviously got the job she wanted. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned eh


eveilgrin:

Quite. She will shaft him now
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 07, 2009, 09:58:54 AM
Sugar offered a role as "Enterprise Czar". FFS  evil:

I suspect that is a condition of 'Lord' Sugar's peerage.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 07, 2009, 02:29:43 PM
Live now!

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Gordon-Brown-Addresses-Labour-Party-Activists-In-A-Call-For-Unity-Within-The-Party/Article/200906115297962?lpos=Politics_First_Poilitics_Article_Teaser_Regi_0&lid=ARTICLE_15297962_Gordon_Brown_Addresses_Labour_Party_Activists_In_A_Call_For_Unity_Within_The_Party (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Gordon-Brown-Addresses-Labour-Party-Activists-In-A-Call-For-Unity-Within-The-Party/Article/200906115297962?lpos=Politics_First_Poilitics_Article_Teaser_Regi_0&lid=ARTICLE_15297962_Gordon_Brown_Addresses_Labour_Party_Activists_In_A_Call_For_Unity_Within_The_Party)

Quote
I knew Peter had all these great qualities, I didn't know that 18 months ago he became an expert in emailing and texting!
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 07, 2009, 02:53:59 PM
He's sweating like a pig!
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 07, 2009, 03:20:21 PM
He's sweating like a pig!
lol:

Is he sweating like a stuck pig tho...?  rubschin:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Pastis on June 12, 2009, 04:19:07 PM
WTF is that rusty chipmunk Blears apologising?  ::)  Trying to ingratiate herself with her voters before the next election?

There was good line from a member of the audience on QT this week to Hain:

"You might have forgotten us, but we won't forget you!  evil:"
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Pastis on June 12, 2009, 05:24:12 PM
And in one bound, she was ... in the shite!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8097955.stm
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 13, 2009, 05:30:12 AM
And in one bound, she was ... in the shite!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8097955.stm

 lol: lol: lol:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Pastis on June 17, 2009, 10:54:11 PM
Cynical?

Quote
Ms Ussher asked permission to carry out a full refit of her run-down Victorian house in south London.

She is said to have contacted the Commons fees office within 12 months of becoming an MP in 2005, despite having already lived at the house for some five years.

Ms Ussher, who was not a minister at the time, wrote: "The basic situation is that this house was relatively cheap to purchase but requires quite a lot of work."

She then listed repairs which she hoped to carry out, including a bathroom which did not "function" and "peeling" walls in the shower room.

On the cover sheet of her printed letter, Ms Ussher scrawled: "I am aware this takes us over our limit - please pay as much as you are able!"

In the end, Ms Ussher received the maximum permitted under the Additional Costs Allowance (ACA) for 2005-6 - £22,110.


She was a local councillor here a few years back. Career politician through and through; IIRC little or no contribution to the community.  ::)


My oh my.... way back on page 2... and now

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8106193.stm

Out!
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 18, 2009, 06:31:09 AM
Cynical?

Quote
Ms Ussher asked permission to carry out a full refit of her run-down Victorian house in south London.

She is said to have contacted the Commons fees office within 12 months of becoming an MP in 2005, despite having already lived at the house for some five years.

Ms Ussher, who was not a minister at the time, wrote: "The basic situation is that this house was relatively cheap to purchase but requires quite a lot of work."

She then listed repairs which she hoped to carry out, including a bathroom which did not "function" and "peeling" walls in the shower room.

On the cover sheet of her printed letter, Ms Ussher scrawled: "I am aware this takes us over our limit - please pay as much as you are able!"

In the end, Ms Ussher received the maximum permitted under the Additional Costs Allowance (ACA) for 2005-6 - £22,110.


She was a local councillor here a few years back. Career politician through and through; IIRC little or no contribution to the community.  ::)


My oh my.... way back on page 2... and now

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8106193.stm

Out!
It can only get worse better when they publish the 'official' version of the expenses today...  cloud9:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on June 18, 2009, 07:08:56 AM
Oh no it can't ~ all the details that enable one to see the "fiddles" have been blacked out of the grounds of "Security"

They claim that MPs' safety might be at risk if their addresses became known ~ BUT they neglect to mention that legally the MP must put their address(es) on their nomination papers which are a matter of public record. They must also print the details on their election leaflets (although many hide behind their constituency office or even their agent's address to get round that one).

Also the details published "officially" only show those claims that were allowed ~ not as the Telegraph has shown, the letters between the MPs and the Fees Office which have resulted from many claims being rejected or "amended".
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 18, 2009, 09:58:12 AM
Guido is inspecting the details. Updating all day

http://order-order.com/2009/06/18/pay-points (http://order-order.com/2009/06/18/pay-points)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Pastis on June 18, 2009, 11:09:49 AM
How very revealing  ::) ::)

(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg44.imageshack.us%2Fimg44%2F2694%2F73072584.th.png&hash=a5e6f427b0661cd6fe44b16cde6516ac3d2e0840) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxrjS0i)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 18, 2009, 11:10:32 AM
Nothing to hide? Nothing to fear.  noooo:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 18, 2009, 11:17:34 AM
I wonder if I could put a claim into LL for £200 of 'petty cash'...?  rubschin:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 18, 2009, 11:49:38 AM
Just sell your motor bike, you know it makes sense  angel1
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 18, 2009, 11:51:33 AM
Just sell your motor bike, you know it makes sense  angel1
eeek:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on June 18, 2009, 11:53:20 AM
How very revealing  ::) ::)

(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg44.imageshack.us%2Fimg44%2F2694%2F73072584.th.png&hash=a5e6f427b0661cd6fe44b16cde6516ac3d2e0840) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxrjS0i)


Kate Hoey came out clean in the Telegraph trawl.
But you make the point I was striving for in post #278
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on June 18, 2009, 11:53:57 AM
Just sell your motor bike, you know it makes sense  angel1

He is not going to give up his youth that easily.  ::)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 18, 2009, 11:55:11 AM
Apparently Blair claimed for a new roof 2 days  before he stood down as PM!  cussing: cussing: cussing: cussing:

















Some of us have to pay for our own fooking new roof  cussing:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on June 18, 2009, 11:56:23 AM
Meanwhile Kate Hoey has had her expenses detailed on her website for ages.

http://www.katehoey.com/myexpenses.htm

Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 18, 2009, 12:00:57 PM
Oh no it can't ~ all the details that enable one to see the "fiddles" have been blacked out of the grounds of "Security"

Security my arse, job security more like. It was obvious that something like this was going to happen and begs the question just how widespread has house flipping been.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on June 18, 2009, 12:25:03 PM
The Telegraph has picked out the really juicy bits but they will not let up now and plan to reveal more details as time goes on.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Pastis on June 18, 2009, 01:11:07 PM
Meanwhile Kate Hoey has had her expenses detailed on her website for ages.

http://www.katehoey.com/myexpenses.htm

Yup, true; pushing today's release of non-information nicely into the Theatre of the Absurd  noooo:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on June 19, 2009, 06:22:51 AM
It gets worse, Blears somehow survived the vote of no confidence. 
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on June 19, 2009, 07:46:30 AM
It gets worse, Blears somehow survived the vote of no competence. 

Corrected for you.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 20, 2009, 09:23:08 AM
Love the banner at the top of today's front page!

Find it here

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/)
 lol:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 20, 2009, 09:24:44 AM
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Gordon Brown has admitted recent events have been among the worst in his political life and made him think he could "walk away from this tomorrow".

Go then... and take a revolver and bottle of whisky with you...  ::)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 20, 2009, 09:44:27 AM

(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg199.imageshack.us%2Fimg199%2F9828%2F18624014.jpg&hash=e1fe81c026052617dc869fb7afaee7a391ae1892) (http://www.postimage.org/)
 sick2:

Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on June 21, 2009, 08:26:53 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9LCbNKec14

Succinct!
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 21, 2009, 10:03:29 AM
Watch this lying Scottish bastard dig his own grave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm20dU5O9MU&eurl=http://iaindale.blogspot.com/&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm20dU5O9MU&eurl=http://iaindale.blogspot.com/&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 21, 2009, 11:31:48 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1194340/MP-tried-claim-money-lessons-love-expenses-investigation-reveals.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1194340/MP-tried-claim-money-lessons-love-expenses-investigation-reveals.html)
 point:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 21, 2009, 11:41:39 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1194340/MP-tried-claim-money-lessons-love-expenses-investigation-reveals.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1194340/MP-tried-claim-money-lessons-love-expenses-investigation-reveals.html)
 point:

happy001
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 21, 2009, 11:42:57 AM
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'I attended the course on "intimate relationships" because I thought it would help me better understand the complex relationships that so often featured in the cases of constituents who had asked for my help.
char048
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on June 23, 2009, 10:09:45 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5609016/MPs-expenses-Telegraph-publishes-exclusive-online-guide.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5609016/MPs-expenses-Telegraph-publishes-exclusive-online-guide.html)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Miss Creant Commander of the picklement and baking BAb(Hons) on June 23, 2009, 04:11:43 PM
I am now suffering from Redactional fatigue. surrender:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on June 23, 2009, 04:17:01 PM
Talking earlier today to an elderly neighbour she informed me that her son says she needs to have her house "renditioned".

Somehow I don't see the CIA coming in to repair her pebbledash.  noooo:

But I smiled knowingly and agreed it would be expensive.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Darwins Selection on June 23, 2009, 06:00:39 PM

Somehow I don't see the CIA coming in to repair her pebbledash.  noooo:


A burkah and some peroxide and they might demolish it for her.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on June 30, 2009, 06:43:39 PM
Harry Cohen, MP who said he was better than Churchill, to quit after expenses row

Quote from: The Times
A Labour MP being investigated by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards for claiming over ?100,000 in allowances for his second home is stepping down.

Harry Cohen, who says he is the most professional MP his constituents have ever had, including Winston Churchill, will go at the next general election. Party workers of his Leyton and Wanstead constituency in East London were informed last week.

Source (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6609613.ece)

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Sources close to the party say that after 26 years representing the constituency he wanted to spend more time with his wife who is in poor health.


Of course, of course...  char048
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 12, 2009, 09:01:04 AM
So, MPs are to receive letters this morning slapping their wrists and telling them to pay back expenses. Unlikely given that the man heading the formal investigation and writing the letters is Sir Thomas Legg.

Once described regarding another investigation as:

"A quintessential insider, the Establishment Man's Establishment Man: as unctuous a piece of slime as ever slithered around the corridors of Whitehall" 
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on October 12, 2009, 09:21:51 AM
And of course "Today" just had to ask Lord Rumba of Rio about it this morning even though he was supposedly there to talk about the "Big Fire Sale".
Still he had a nice cosy chat with Evan. 'Spect they had a refreshing cuppa and a slice of quiche too before moving onto interior decorators they know  ::)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on October 12, 2009, 11:46:58 AM
Jacqui Smith has to say "sorry". Gosh.

 cussing:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on October 12, 2009, 11:49:44 AM
Jacqui Smith has to say "sorry". Gosh.

 cussing:

Indeed but she gets to keep the £64k+ that she has embezzled over the past three years.

So that's a big  Finger: to the voters.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on October 12, 2009, 11:52:30 AM
OH, unsurprisingly, is a bit miffed.

http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/2009/10/cunting-thief-says-whatever-plebs-ha-ha.html
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: The Moan Ranger on October 13, 2009, 07:38:10 AM
This should be fun!

http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/2009/10/send-jacqui-some-bullshit.html
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on October 13, 2009, 08:40:58 AM
Excellent!  lol:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Uncle Mort on October 13, 2009, 09:29:11 AM
Now, now chaps, she's said she's sorry. Let's shake hands and be friends shall we?


 happy001 happy001 happy001 happy001
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on October 18, 2009, 11:47:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF3KSywoSaU&feature=player_embedded

 lol: lol: lol:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on October 26, 2009, 09:13:47 AM
MPs plan 'wife swap' to get round new expenses rules

Quote from: Telegraph
MPs determined to get round new rules banning family members from working for them in the wake of the expenses scandal are considering ?swapping wives? with other MPs.

Source (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6314758/MPs-plan-wife-swap-to-get-round-new-expenses-rules.html)

They just don't freaking get it do they???  Banghead
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on October 26, 2009, 12:05:29 PM
TBF some MPs have employed their wives as highly efficient secretaries for 25 years and more. They have proper contracts of employment, pay NI and PAYE as every other employee. It would certainly not be right to sack such people on a retrospective change of law. I see these families as similar to the old fashioned GP whose wife frequently acted as his nurse/receptionist and was remunerated accordingly. Certainly I would welcome a return to such local doctors but polyclinics are what suits Nulabour's vision of the future NHS ~ places where you will just be a number and a dataset of computerised notes that are completely impersonal. In the days when one could respect the doctor, the MP, the local teacher life was without question better.
Now ~ see my NHS rant elsewhere. cussing:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on October 29, 2009, 12:23:46 PM
I see thar gobshite McNulty pulled a fast one by making his apology to the house earlier than stated. Bastard even tried to blame the advice he was given before apologising for blindly following it. You were happy to use a system that a child would have seen was corrupt so either you are another official out to bilk the taxpayerr for all youcan get or you are too feckin' thick to be an MP. Which is it?
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on November 01, 2009, 12:22:16 PM
And so the campaign starts

Harriet Harman: Kelly expenses report may be watered down

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6898436.ece
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Snoopy on November 04, 2009, 01:20:18 PM
Well we finally have the "Kelly report" and there is nothing in it that hadn't been leaked over the previous weeks. At heart it is still only a set of "recommendations" and there is a way to go before it becomes law. Next, apparently, there is to be a "consultation" period where alterations can be made and then it will pass onto being a set of guidelines for the new "Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority" (YES another bloody quango and at what cost?), which I gather doesn't actually exist other than on paper although its new Chairperson was appointed yesterday. ::)


In case you missed it as they slipped it out yesterday:
Quote
Prof Sir Ian Kennedy will chair the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority, the Speaker of the House announced today.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on November 04, 2009, 01:35:55 PM
yes, the report will be analysed and implemented by the fraudsters themselves...  ::)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on November 07, 2009, 08:42:44 AM
And surprise surprise, Ian Kennedy has stated that he feels no obligation to implement everything in the Kelley report.  Banghead
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on March 11, 2010, 09:22:02 AM
First court cases this afternoon. Slapped wrists all round?

I see that Cohen is being investigated and hope that frightful Baroness Uddin is too  evil:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on March 12, 2010, 11:37:09 AM
http://order-order.com/2010/03/12/baroness-uddin-no-charges/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+guidofawkes+(Guy+Fawkes'+blog+of+parliamentary+plots,+rumours+and+conspiracy) (http://order-order.com/2010/03/12/baroness-uddin-no-charges/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+guidofawkes+(Guy+Fawkes'+blog+of+parliamentary+plots,+rumours+and+conspiracy))
 Angry9: Angry9: Angry9: Angry9: Angry9: Angry9: Angry9:


Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on March 12, 2010, 10:02:27 PM
http://order-order.com/2010/03/12/baroness-uddin-no-charges/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+guidofawkes+(Guy+Fawkes'+blog+of+parliamentary+plots,+rumours+and+conspiracy) (http://order-order.com/2010/03/12/baroness-uddin-no-charges/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+guidofawkes+(Guy+Fawkes'+blog+of+parliamentary+plots,+rumours+and+conspiracy))
 Angry9: Angry9: Angry9: Angry9: Angry9: Angry9: Angry9:




Surprise surfuckingprise.  Banghead
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on March 14, 2010, 02:38:59 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pola_Uddin,_Baroness_Uddin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pola_Uddin,_Baroness_Uddin)
 drumroll:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on March 14, 2010, 02:42:53 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pola_Uddin,_Baroness_Uddin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pola_Uddin,_Baroness_Uddin)
 drumroll:


Excellent!  razz:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on April 12, 2010, 06:14:53 PM
FUCKING LEGAL AID!!!!!!!!!!   Explode:

These unashamed bastards screw the taxpayer for everything they can in expenses and then are awarded legal aid to fight their cases with???

Unfuckingbelievable. Havent they had enough of our money already? I'd ask how they could have the gall to even apply for it but that's an obvious answer.  cussing:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8616261.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8616261.stm)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Just One More on April 12, 2010, 06:15:28 PM
 These bastards  (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8616261.stm) are laughing in our faces  cussing:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Just One More on April 12, 2010, 06:16:37 PM
Great minds Grumpy  smile:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on April 12, 2010, 06:20:02 PM
I'm listening to Gordo in an interview and he has just said he didnt know anything about the expenses claims.....  Banghead

I can't wait for the local candidate to knock on my door. BM will be able to hear my venting my spleen way out in the Med.
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on April 12, 2010, 07:08:53 PM
It is fucking outrageous...

Just watched QT - what a bunch of c***s... . cussing:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Grumpmeister on April 13, 2010, 09:14:52 PM
Its alright folks, Gordo has waded into the scandal and delcared that they will 'probably' have to pay the money back again.

Mealy mouthed tossmonger!!!  cussing:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8617252.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8617252.stm)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 19, 2010, 12:01:54 PM
Another trougher in court!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8691861.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8691861.stm)
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 19, 2010, 12:04:37 PM
Another trougher in court!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8691861.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8691861.stm)

Get the rope...  eveilgrin:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Nick on May 19, 2010, 12:31:44 PM
I have e mailed him to congratulate him on his prosecution  eveilgrin:
Title: Re: Expense Claims...
Post by: Barman on May 19, 2010, 02:35:43 PM
I have e mailed him to congratulate him on his prosecution  eveilgrin:

 lol: lol: lol: