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Title: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 16, 2010, 09:00:17 AM
Miss Piggy's PC has packed-up in Epsom...  evil:

I was wondering if any of our members that are close to the area would be able to provide assistance...?  whistle:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Miss Demeanour on December 16, 2010, 09:36:58 AM
What kind of assistance ?

I can babysit whilst she goes shopping for a new one.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 16, 2010, 09:48:09 AM
What kind of assistance ?

I can babysit whilst she goes shopping for a new one.

Noooooooooooooo!  cussing:

Fixing type file recovery assistance...  ::)
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Miss Demeanour on December 16, 2010, 09:50:54 AM
Oh ... noooo:

Sounds like a job for El Tel  whistle:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 16, 2010, 09:52:08 AM
Oh ... noooo:

Sounds like a job for El Tel  whistle:

Ooohhh.... I hadn't thought of that...  whistle:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on December 16, 2010, 10:01:47 AM
What's the problem?

I'm a short hop or two from Epsom.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Snoopy on December 16, 2010, 10:06:57 AM
Baby puke in the key board prolly.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on December 16, 2010, 10:08:50 AM
Washing machine job then.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 16, 2010, 10:28:03 AM
What's the problem?

I'm a short hop or two from Epsom.

My hero! worthy:

Boot disc failure...  ::)

Although it is difficult to communicate with a new Mum with a screaming baby so I haven't been able to talk through any diagnostics...  noooo:

Could be simple BIOS change or perhaps a virus has wiped the boot sector.

If it needs a new disc there are some important baby pictures that they haven't backed-up and would like to retrieve...

We'll obviously pay the going rate and any parts needed...
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 16, 2010, 10:44:31 AM
BTW it is a Dell Studio Hybrid Desktop...

(https://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn1.techbargains.com%2Ficache%2F2009%2F10%2F20%2F12560899393764.jpeg&hash=181b32cf722067d60c49cc7c2b7d9e026d340d0f)
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Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Snoopy on December 16, 2010, 10:51:08 AM
He'll need one of these:
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Good job it's not a Sony
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Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 16, 2010, 11:04:40 AM
 lol: lol: lol:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 17, 2010, 09:31:09 AM
Tel has stepped up to the mark and is going to fix it this arvo!  cloud9:

Or be cast, humiliated from the pub!  lol:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on December 17, 2010, 09:58:09 AM
Tel has stepped up to the mark and is going to fix it this arvo!  cloud9:

Or be cast, humiliated from the pub!  lol:

Cheers.

I have my bag of tricks.

PS kingston is bloody cold this morning.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 17, 2010, 10:02:01 AM
Tel has stepped up to the mark and is going to fix it this arvo!  cloud9:

Or be cast, humiliated from the pub!  lol:

Cheers.

I have my bag of tricks.

PS kingston is bloody cold this morning.

No pressure!  lol:

Do you have a spare disc - just in case like...?
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 17, 2010, 10:02:45 AM
BTW - did I mention it is XP?
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on December 17, 2010, 10:31:38 AM
XP is not a problem

No spare disk at the moment - don't know what connector - may have one by the time I leave here

Will try and extract data first
Then work out if drive is duff or if XP can be re-installed.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 17, 2010, 10:35:41 AM
XP is not a problem

No spare disk at the moment - don't know what connector - may have one by the time I leave here

Will try and extract data first
Then work out if drive is duff or if XP can be re-installed.

 cloud9:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on December 17, 2010, 10:46:36 AM
Wrong time of year for trying to get a new drive quickly, unless you want to pay top dollar at Maplins.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 17, 2010, 10:49:39 AM
Wrong time of year for trying to get a new drive quickly, unless you want to pay top dollar at Maplins.

I'd pay £45 (http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=36450)

Assuming it is a 3½" drive in that box...? Shrugs:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Snoopy on December 17, 2010, 11:25:54 AM
Wrong time of year for trying to get a new drive quickly, unless you want to pay top dollar at Maplins.

I'd pay £45 (http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=36450)

Assuming it is a 3½" drive in that box...? Shrugs:

Buy her a new PC you skinflint  Xmas5:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 17, 2010, 11:30:38 AM
Wrong time of year for trying to get a new drive quickly, unless you want to pay top dollar at Maplins.

I'd pay £45 (http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=36450)

Assuming it is a 3½" drive in that box...? Shrugs:

Buy her a new PC you skinflint  Xmas5:

It is only two years ago I bought this one!  Banghead
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Snoopy on December 17, 2010, 11:31:55 AM
Big Pockets Refurb Job?
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 17, 2010, 11:38:51 AM
Big Pockets Refurb Job?

here is the bloody thread!  Banghead

http://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/index.php?topic=5277.0

I don't think it is a big pockets thing... perhaps the hard drive has failed, perhaps it is a virus or BIOS issue... worst case scenario should be a new disc and several hours of tel's time at £100 per hour or part thereof....  scared2:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Snoopy on December 17, 2010, 11:43:20 AM
In my experience
Dell = Built in obsolescence.


Still if tel can fix it he will be top 'pooter man  happy088
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 17, 2010, 11:54:42 AM
In my experience
Dell = Built in obsolescence.


Still if tel can fix it he will be top 'pooter man  happy088

Well, all PCs have built-in obsolescence otherwise they'd have stopped selling them years ago... I don't think Dell is any worse than the rest...

This is worst-case scenario a hard drive failure - Dell wouldn't have even made the hard drive, it will be a standard off-the-shelf part like the CPU, memory, etc, etc.

It has been many years since companies like HP manufactured the entire system including the discs, memory and CPU!  lol:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Snoopy on December 17, 2010, 12:13:20 PM
In my experience
Dell = Built in obsolescence.


Still if tel can fix it he will be top 'pooter man  happy088

Well, all PCs have built-in obsolescence otherwise they'd have stopped selling them years ago... I don't think Dell is any worse than the rest...

This is worst-case scenario a hard drive failure - Dell wouldn't have even made the hard drive, it will be a standard off-the-shelf part like the CPU, memory, etc, etc.

It has been many years since companies like HP manufactured the entire system including the discs, memory and CPU!  lol:

I know  ;)

But you don't expect me not to uphold your reputation as a miser now do you?

Actually I have bad experiences with Dell ~ mainly due to their service policies ~ so I scrapped my Dell and switched to HP. Once you have poor service you tend to stop being logical and hold it against the company forever. Okay, I prolly had a bad 'un and that happens with any company but it still leaves me with a hooge prejudice against them. That said I have one of their laser printers and it is excellent .... and I do realise that they sub-contract the making to others. About the only real connection with Dell on my printer is the name on the front ~ prolly the same with their 'pooters. All made by nimble little fingers in China.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 17, 2010, 12:19:31 PM
In my experience
Dell = Built in obsolescence.


Still if tel can fix it he will be top 'pooter man  happy088

Well, all PCs have built-in obsolescence otherwise they'd have stopped selling them years ago... I don't think Dell is any worse than the rest...

This is worst-case scenario a hard drive failure - Dell wouldn't have even made the hard drive, it will be a standard off-the-shelf part like the CPU, memory, etc, etc.

It has been many years since companies like HP manufactured the entire system including the discs, memory and CPU!  lol:

I know  ;)

But you don't expect me not to uphold your reputation as a miser now do you?

Actually I have bad experiences with Dell ~ mainly due to their service policies ~ so I scrapped my Dell and switched to HP. Once you have poor service you tend to stop being logical and hold it against the company forever. Okay, I prolly had a bad 'un and that happens with any company but it still leaves me with a hooge prejudice against them. That said I have one of their laser printers and it is excellent .... and I do realise that they sub-contract the making to others. About the only real connection with Dell on my printer is the name on the front ~ prolly the same with their 'pooters. All made by nimble little fingers in China.

 lol: lol: lol:

I used to work for the primary reseller of HP computer hardware in the UK... we sold loads of their computer systems and peripherals... All loaded with their proprietary components.

One day we were building a new model 'Vectra' personal computer (you had to order all the parts separately and assemble it for the customer) when we realised that the memory modules were a standard 'SIMM' instead of the usual HP manufactured parts that we were used to.

We made a fortune over the next year or so filling these things up with cheap SIMMs from a component distributor while charging customers for the much more expensive 'HP Part'....  ;D
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Snoopy on December 17, 2010, 12:30:19 PM
Which explains why you are residing hiding out in Cyprus
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 17, 2010, 12:32:47 PM
Which explains why you are residing hiding out in Cyprus

 redface:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on December 17, 2010, 12:59:16 PM
We are in the middle of a blizzard!
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 17, 2010, 01:04:39 PM
We are in the middle of a blizzard!

Oh gawd...  scared2:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Snoopy on December 17, 2010, 01:11:13 PM
Sun is shining here. Still bloody cold tho'. Lil Bruvver who lives 10 miles from me says there is two inches of snow outside his door.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Pirate on December 17, 2010, 01:39:16 PM
We are in the middle of a blizzard!

sharp intake of breath...that'll put the price up then...
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 17, 2010, 05:09:50 PM
Tel was very impressive apparently...  eeek:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 17, 2010, 05:13:32 PM
Tel, they have just found all the discs...  ::)
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Snoopy on December 17, 2010, 05:16:49 PM

Wimmin with new babies are notoriously hormonally challenged ~ it mainly effects their judgement and their memories ;)
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 17, 2010, 05:18:44 PM

Wimmin with new babies are notoriously hormonally challenged ~ it mainly effects their judgement and their mammaries ;)

Fixed that for ya!  ;)
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Darwins Selection on December 17, 2010, 05:19:48 PM

Wimmin with new babies are notoriously hormonally challenged ~ it mainly effects their judgement and their memories ;)
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Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Snoopy on December 17, 2010, 05:32:58 PM

Wimmin with new babies are notoriously hormonally challenged ~ it mainly effects their judgement and their mammaries ;)

Fixed that for ya!  ;)


Sometimes I think I am Cannon to your Ball  ::)
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Just One More on December 17, 2010, 06:03:57 PM

Wimmin with new babies are notoriously hormonally challenged ~ it mainly effects their judgement and their memories ;)

Given your experience, how long does it last for Snoopy? I merely ask the question  whistle:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on December 17, 2010, 06:33:50 PM

Wimmin with new babies are notoriously hormonally challenged ~ it mainly effects their judgement and their memories ;)

Given your experience, how long does it last for Snoopy? I merely ask the question  whistle:

Quite how we got to how long Snoopy lasts from gubbed PC is very worrying.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Snoopy on December 17, 2010, 08:11:49 PM

Wimmin with new babies are notoriously hormonally challenged ~ it mainly effects their judgement and their memories ;)

Given your experience, how long does it last for Snoopy? I merely ask the question  whistle:

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Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on December 18, 2010, 12:21:04 PM
Looks like it's time to find my toffee hammer - getting seriously technical now.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 18, 2010, 12:25:55 PM
Looks like it's time to find my toffee hammer - getting seriously technical now.

 lol: lol: lol:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on December 18, 2010, 12:29:15 PM
Tel was very impressive apparently...  eeek:

I await the comments from TMR.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Snoopy on December 18, 2010, 12:32:31 PM
Looks like it's time to find my toffee hammer - getting seriously technical now.

It's not how hard you hit it, it's knowing where to hit it that separates the men from the boys  happy088
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on December 18, 2010, 04:08:03 PM
Hammer didn't work
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on December 18, 2010, 04:12:44 PM
Bigger hammer!  eveilgrin:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on December 18, 2010, 04:23:33 PM
Oh yes.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on December 19, 2010, 05:01:01 PM
A new drive is required.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Pastis on December 19, 2010, 05:11:08 PM
I'm sure Tipsy could oblige if Miss Piggy would just clear away the snow and ...

Oh. That sort of drive...
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Snoopy on December 19, 2010, 05:13:21 PM
<snigger>
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Just One More on December 19, 2010, 05:15:20 PM
I'm sure Tipsy could oblige if Miss Piggy would just clear away the snow and ...

Oh. That sort of drive...

 ;D
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on January 04, 2011, 06:43:18 PM
After much technical deliberation a last resort was tried - user data recovered!  ;D

Next an image to apply to new hard drive, if old one lasts long enough that is.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on January 04, 2011, 07:14:30 PM
After much technical deliberation a last resort was tried - user data recovered!  ;D

Next an image to apply to new hard drive, if old one lasts long enough that is.

worthy:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Nick on January 04, 2011, 07:16:36 PM
I hope BM is feeling rich. The bill will be mahoosive.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on January 04, 2011, 07:17:24 PM
I hope BM is feeling rich. The bill will be mahoosive.

 scared2:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on January 05, 2011, 11:51:07 AM
I'm very persistent, so Mrs Tel says.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on January 05, 2011, 11:57:18 AM
I'm very persistent, so Mrs Tel says.

LL says that... or summat like that anyway...  rubschin:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on January 05, 2011, 12:15:25 PM
She says I'm like a dog with a bone.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Nick on January 05, 2011, 12:17:29 PM
Is that some sort of euphemism?
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on January 05, 2011, 12:28:41 PM
I'll ask Mrs Tel when I get home.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on January 05, 2011, 01:16:26 PM
She says I'm like a dog with a bone.

Bone, not boner...?  rubschin:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on January 05, 2011, 03:46:26 PM
Depends on how persistent I'm feeling.  lol:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Nick on January 05, 2011, 05:11:39 PM
Depends on how persistent I'm feeling after 12 pints of Young's  surrender:.  lol:
noooo:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on January 07, 2011, 12:00:57 PM
Fixed.  razz:

New disk imaged and updated etc.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Miss Demeanour on January 07, 2011, 12:02:55 PM
You are a hero ...we should make you a uniform like  rubschin:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Nick on January 07, 2011, 12:12:47 PM
And it's only taken three weeks  whistle:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on January 07, 2011, 12:41:30 PM
Fixed.  razz:

New disk imaged and updated etc.

 happ096
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Nick on January 07, 2011, 01:04:14 PM
Mahoosive bill being prepared no doubt  eveilgrin:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on January 07, 2011, 01:16:51 PM
Mahoosive bill being prepared no doubt  eveilgrin:

Three weeks at gawd-knows-what per hour (or part thereof)...  scared2:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Snoopy on January 07, 2011, 01:21:32 PM
Mahoosive bill being prepared no doubt  eveilgrin:

Three weeks at gawd-knows-what per hour (or part thereof)...  scared2:

Plus travel expenses, spare parts etc.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Nick on January 07, 2011, 01:23:48 PM
Would have been cheaper to get a new pooter  noooo:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Snoopy on January 07, 2011, 01:27:17 PM
 whistle:
http://www.virtual-pub.com/SMF/index.php?topic=8866.msg253166#msg253166
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on January 07, 2011, 01:30:35 PM
Would have been cheaper to get a new pooter  noooo:

A Cray Sooper-Pooter prolly...  sad24:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on January 07, 2011, 02:02:27 PM
And it's only taken three weeks  whistle:

Elapsed time, not my time.

6 hours to create and restore image, painfully slow.
Then it didn't like my monitor limitations and wouldn't display!

Now it's just like it was but on a bigger disk.

I expect Miss P to be overwhelmed.  razz:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Nick on January 07, 2011, 02:09:04 PM
I am sure she is often overwhelmed, hence the babby  cloud9:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on January 07, 2011, 03:08:28 PM
And it's only taken three weeks  whistle:

Elapsed time, not my time.

6 hours to create and restore image, painfully slow.
Then it didn't like my monitor limitations and wouldn't display!

Now it's just like it was but on a bigger disk.

I expect Miss P to be overwhelmed.  razz:

I'm sure she'll be suitably grateful...  noooo:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on January 08, 2011, 05:34:47 PM
Hopefully, Miss P is now sorted.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on January 08, 2011, 06:42:19 PM
Hopefully, Miss P is now sorted.

I've seen her on line! Well done Mr. Tel!  happ096
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on January 09, 2011, 12:14:55 PM
A pleasure.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: The Moan Ranger on January 10, 2011, 02:32:57 PM
Told ya he was good.  whistle:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on January 10, 2011, 02:35:05 PM
Told ya he was good.  whistle:

He's trying to cream off a %'age tel!  lol:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: The Moan Ranger on January 10, 2011, 02:38:43 PM
Told ya he was good.  whistle:

He's trying to cream off a %'age tel!  lol:

 razz:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on January 10, 2011, 03:50:19 PM
Told ya he was good.  whistle:

 redface:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: The Moan Ranger on January 10, 2011, 04:29:41 PM
Told ya he was good.  whistle:

 redface:

Don't be so humble!
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on January 10, 2011, 05:38:26 PM
Told ya he was good.  whistle:

 redface:

Don't be so humble!

Oh get a room you two!  2gayers:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Grumpmeister on January 10, 2011, 07:14:04 PM
Told ya he was good.  whistle:

 redface:

If you are interested in a further challenge Tel, BM didn't seem to think you would be able to tell LL how to change the windows startup theme a while back...  eveilgrin:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on January 11, 2011, 10:01:18 AM
I don't remember that.

Did I miss something or just getting forgetful?
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Snoopy on January 11, 2011, 10:13:31 AM
I don't remember that.

Did I miss something or just getting forgetful?


 rubschin:  Yes.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on January 11, 2011, 02:24:35 PM
I don't remember it either...  surrender:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on January 11, 2011, 03:10:27 PM
Where's Snoops?
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on January 11, 2011, 03:29:55 PM
Where's Snoops?

Who's Snoops? Shrugs:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: tel on January 11, 2011, 04:06:42 PM
I've forgotten.
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on January 11, 2011, 04:11:37 PM
I've forgotten.

What...? Shrugs:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Snoopy on January 11, 2011, 04:19:01 PM
 evil:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Grumpmeister on January 11, 2011, 11:48:48 PM
I don't remember it either...  surrender:

That happens with age old hoy  whistle:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on January 12, 2011, 05:52:47 AM
I don't remember it either...  surrender:

That happens with age old hoy  whistle:

Old hoy?  point:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Darwins Selection on January 12, 2011, 10:47:02 AM
I don't remember it either...  surrender:

That happens with age old hoy  whistle:

Old hoy?  point:

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Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Snoopy on January 12, 2011, 10:58:59 AM


Looks suitably "weathered" by the passing years.  whistle:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Barman on January 12, 2011, 11:15:39 AM
 evil:
Title: Re: PC Gubbed
Post by: Grumpmeister on January 12, 2011, 05:48:09 PM
Darwin and Snoop got my joke at least  point: