Quod me nutrit me destruit - This just beggars beleif

[Grumpmeister]

Just read this article on the BBC news site and I'm shocked and completely amazed at the stupidity of these sites. Why the hell are Facebook and Myspace allowing pro anorexia and pro bulemia groups on their site? These aren't help grops they are people who are actively promoting that lifestyle on a site that is accessible by thousands of children. Eating disorders among children are already too common an occurence and this can only make the problem worse. It isnt a lifestyle choice its an illness.

Pro-anorexia websites offering tips on extreme dieting are nothing new, but their growth on social networking sites is a disturbing new twist and brings them within reach of a wider audience.
As a conversation opener, it's as blatant as it is troubling.

"What diet pills work best?" a young female user of a social networking site asks. The responses begin to trickle through from other members of the group which is an online meeting place for those people with anorexia.

"They're all rubbish," says one, before another chips in with her favourite brand, which she says works well with "restricting" and "exercising". It could lose you seven pounds, she surmises.

Another user asks for good tips "for when the hunger kicks in", a request met with a slew of suggestions.


The popularity of social networking websites has opened up a whole new world of interaction, but with it, darker trends are emerging. Groups which appear to extol grave eating disorders as a glamorous lifestyle choice are appearing on sites which claim tens of millions of active users.

Members of such groups post pictures of painfully skinny girls for "thinspiration", compare dangerously low goal weights and measurements, and team up to "keep each other strong" in their quest to lose weight.

They swap stories on how they vomit until they cough blood, are often too weak to get out of bed and how they're scared family or friends will find out and force them into recovery.

There is no way in hell this should be allowed on moderated sites for christ sake.

Moderated content

Such groups are known as "pro-ana" and "pro-mia" - that's pro-anorexia and pro-bulimia.

Their existence on the net is nothing new. But their presence on social networking websites, which have rules against posting harmful content, raises the groups to a new respectability.

Previously, people on such internet groups remained relatively anonymous, and the groups, being small, were sometimes hard to find. But on some social networking sites, users have real names and faces, and are more accessible than before.

Such groups can be found on many social networking sites, including the biggest:

 
? MySpace includes groups such as Pro Ana Nation (with more than 1,000 members) which states, under its rules, "no people trying to recover, it ruins our motivation"; and Pro Extreme Dieting, which states: "we are here to support each other in our choices, even if they are to recover, or try to put on, or lose weight"


? Facebook includes groups such as "Get thin or die trying", "Yes, I have an eating disorder. No, it's not your problem" and "Quod me nutrit me destruit" which translates as "what nourishes me destroys me"

While the groups are dominated by American users, they include many from the UK.

Joining one "pro-ana" group can lead you to five more, and so on, opening up a world that, while posing as a means of support, more often tends to glamorise and advocate illnesses that can cause infertility, heart disease and death.

Anorexia nervosa has the highest mortality rate of any psychiatric illness. Beat, the UK's Eating Disorder Association estimates that up to 20% of those who become seriously affected can die prematurely, and are at particularly high risk of suicide.

Wasting away

Andrea Schneider, a 21-year-old from Columbia, Missouri, has struggled with anorexia since she was 16. In the past 18 months she says she has been admitted to hospital 15 times and had six feeding tubes.

She used to log on to these groups to seek justification for what she was doing.

"When you are actively in your eating disorder, you desperately want someone to understand, and a lot of time you find groups like the pro groups on Facebook that are supportive of you continuing your eating disorder," she says.

"When you are in the middle of it and don't want to give it up, you cling to these sites that tell you what you are doing is OK. Recovery is hard, staying sick isn't, so it's easier to hide behind these sites claiming that you are making a lifestyle choice, rather than admitting that you are sick and trying to get better."

Many girls in these groups, aged from about 15 to 30, claim their goal weight is below seven stone (45kg), and for some it is as low as five stone (32kg).

"We always want to be the thinnest," Andrea says. "'Thinner is the winner', that's a quote that we live by."

"You will see girls talk on these sites about hitting their goal weight, but no matter what they say, their goal weight is never going to be low enough."

Emma, a 17-year-old from New York who still uses these groups, also believes they fuel anorexia.

"Hearing girls your weight or smaller say they are fat makes you feel worthless. Ana tips can push you to take it too far and thinspirational pictures give you an unattainable goal."

Never alone

Dr John Morgan, a consultant psychiatrist St George's University Hospital, London, who specialises in eating disorders, says these groups run the risk of glamorising unhealthy behaviour.

"It's become a lot more interactive, which is more worrying. It much more rapidly reinforces the negative views these people have of themselves and provides an instant response to what they're looking for."

But the impact of these groups is not entirely negative - and if properly regulated, they can be used for positive means. He says they can mirror group therapy, an important part of treatment, and help draw people out of their isolation.

"I have had some patients who have gone on pro-ana websites and then gone on to seek treatment," he says. "It's very daunting, and just having someone to hold your hand and explain the process can make a big difference."

Susan Ringwood, Beat's chief executive, says an eating disorder is a serious mental illness, not a fad, phase or lifestyle choice.

"The sooner someone gets the help they need, the more likely they are to make a full recovery - yet some aspects of the pro-ana world deliberately try to encourage people to avoid treatment.

"But it is a complex issue, because what people who use these social networks often say is that they find an acceptance and sense of belonging that they don't get anywhere else. At Beat, we want to change the way we all think and talk about eating disorders, and that means showing we can provide that acceptance and understanding, so that a pro ana group isn't the only refuge there is."

Fellow feeling

Anastasia, a 19-year-old student in London, suffers from anorexia and bulimia and uses social networking groups for support.

"People around me support me, but I can't tell them everything. In these groups I can ask questions and talk about how I feel to people I know went through the same issues and feelings."

For Emma, social networking sites are her only option for support.

"I would be found out if pro-ana sites showed up on the history of my computer. These groups really connect girls from all over and create true friendships. I myself originally set up my fake account and joined groups to get ana tips and to have a place to share my feelings and be understood, rather than judged."

A spokesman for MySpace says it can be "very tricky" to distinguish between support groups for users who are suffering from eating disorders, and groups that might be termed as pro anorexia or bulimia.

"Rather than censor these groups, we are working to create partnerships with organisations that provide resources and advice to people suffering from such problems, and we will target those groups with messages of support."

Facebook failed to respond to our questions.

[Bar Wench]

They've been around for as long as the internet has. Facebook etc banning them would make no difference.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-36,GGLG:en&q=ana+mia

That's a google search for ana and mia. It's heartbreaking. The info is out there. At least if the girls are on facebook or myspace they are traceable by friends and family.

[Grumpmeister]

Thats just it Wench, the sites on facebook and myspace arent immediately obvious if you check someone's internet history as they would just be pages from those sites. create a fake login and you can happily join these groups without parents having the faintest idea.

I know the specialised sites themselves cant be stopped but given their young audiences facebook and myspace have a duty of care to the people using their services and should block these pro groups.

[Bar Wench]

It won't stop it. The girls are going to get the information somewhere. At least this way it is one more way of tracing a real person. The girls use their real pictures otherwise there is no point. Any parent that was suspicious could join facebook under a fake name then troll for the ana and mia groups and have access to the pictures and group members. I think taking them off would possibly be detrimental certainly pointless at any rate.

[Barman]

I simply can?t get my head around the reason that some girls would wish to starve themselves to death? I saw a programme on TV some time ago about it ? girls in a ?special centre? designed to fatten them up and make sure they understood the dangers of under eating. Of course, they were all going off and making themselves puke after each special meal?

It isn?t as if it is a simple way to go is it? I feel terrible if I miss a meal or even if Mrs. Barman is a little late making one. I can?t imagine not eating for more than a day let alone starving myself to death. Yet, that is exactly what these girls do. It simply can?t be a ?fad? can it?

It seems to me that until somebody discovers the gene or whatever it is that makes these young people choose to starve themselves to death, hiding the information or banning web sites will have no effect whatsoever.

 

[Bar Wench]

It isn't really about the food it is about the control. It's more of a psychological illness than a physical one. They truly think they look fat. Look up body dysmorphia on the internet. It's not as though the girls are all actually blind.

[Darwins Selection]

The pro-bulimia lobby makes me sick.

[Mr Happy]

"It's an illness not a lifestyle choice" gets thrown around far too often.  It ends up as an illness but a 10yr old or 12yr old girl deciding she's fat and taking drastic action is a choice.

I'm not normally one to jump on the lefty bandwagon as i feel these people must be truly stupid to care, but i do blame the media and 'celebrity' as a whole.  A few years ago apparently you had to be thin to be famous setting a poor example to youngsters, it has since got worse.  Heat, Grazia et al are continually showing pictures highlighting celebrities that are too thin, have love handles, varacus veins, a broken nail etc etc etc.

Apparently we are to be obsessed with how our body looks as opposed to how it serves us as a neccessary tool for survival.  Exercise don't bother bio-pot with a natural blend of ooija will sort it out, pro-retinol a will stop you looking like an old witch even if you have a wonky nose, a pointy hat and carry a broom!

What is it with wimmin anyway, always aspiring to be something they're not.  Chubby, ugly birds are essential to every man who at 21 has failed to lure a good looking girl!

[Berek]

I have Bulimia, but I can't be arsed to throw up.. *





























* unless I watch the spider bite video

[Bar Wench]

"It's an illness not a lifestyle choice" gets thrown around far too often.  It ends up as an illness but a 10yr old or 12yr old girl deciding she's fat and taking drastic action is a choice.

I'm not normally one to jump on the lefty bandwagon as i feel these people must be truly stupid to care, but i do blame the media and 'celebrity' as a whole.  A few years ago apparently you had to be thin to be famous setting a poor example to youngsters, it has since got worse.  Heat, Grazia et al are continually showing pictures highlighting celebrities that are too thin, have love handles, varacus veins, a broken nail etc etc etc.

Apparently we are to be obsessed with how our body looks as opposed to how it serves us as a neccessary tool for survival.  Exercise don't bother bio-pot with a natural blend of ooija will sort it out, pro-retinol a will stop you looking like an old witch even if you have a wonky nose, a pointy hat and carry a broom!

What is it with wimmin anyway, always aspiring to be something they're not.  Chubby, ugly birds are essential to every man who at 21 has failed to lure a good looking girl!

Thing is an awful lot of bulimics/anorexics aren't stupid. They are intelligent normal people. As I said before it's a psychological of disease with control implications. The vast majority are teenagers who with the pressures of todays society are taught to perform and conform and they have very little actual control of their lives. The only thing they really do have control over is what they put in their mouths.

However, your point of celebrity models etc and the magazines etc is a fair one. That does tend to be where it starts and it is a rocky road from there on in. And the sentence in bold which I have highlighted from your post is part of the problem. Girls are taught from a young age unless they are thin and pretty no one will love them or no one worthwhile anyway. That's a lesson learnt at an early age without influence from the media from the majority of parents. Mothers on constant diets and Fathers who make thoughtless comments like yours. It's a mindfield.

Don't take it as having a go at you as I'm not, I'm just using your remarks to illustrate a point. (After all we've been on the fat comments merry go round before )