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Offline Snoopy

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« on: May 24, 2009, 08:34:41 AM »
Your appearance on BBC news and in other places has been noted. Well done lad ~ it won't make a ha'p'orth of difference and you were well out-numbered by Tamils and others but none the less the drip drip drip of ridicule and scorn will wear the buggers down in the end.
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Offline The Moan Ranger

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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2009, 09:06:26 AM »
We out drank the Tamils afterwards!  Cheers Snoopy.

The scariest part of the day was at Victoria at 11am - hoardes of pissed-up Gillingham fans itching for a ruck. I chose not to mention that I like Millwall  noooo:
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2009, 11:18:58 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2009, 04:21:24 PM »
Careful ~ this is a classic case of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing.
Whilst a citizens arrest looks easy there are other factors such as when making the arrest the Judges Rules state that a "Proper Caution using the approved form of words" must be given to the arrested. It is also an offence to detain any person even if you are "arresting" them. You may also provide the arrested with the perfect excuse for them to later argue that (i) the arrest was unlawful or (ii)they have been wrongfully detained.
A further knock on effect could be that the citizen's arrest, deemed to have been wrongfully carried out, might be used by any half way competent brief to have any subsequent arrest, on charges, by the police to have the police case thrown out of court.

A formal complaint of wrongdoing by those you wish to accuse, if made to the police in the correct manner, leaves the police no alternative but to investigate the complaint and submit the details of their enquiries to the CPS for a decision on whether to prosecute.

Meanwhile making a citizens arrest takes you nowhere at all because having made the arrest, even in the correct manner, you MUST then hand the arrested person into the care of a police officer. You are obliged, having made the arrest, to contact the police immediately and provide them with all the details. You MAY NOT forcibly detain the arrested person. You may well, if you attempt this proposed course of action, find yourselves in the dock whilst those you seek to humiliate will be claiming damages against you. There are at least three if not four charges that the police could bring against you if you try this stunt, especially under their noses, at Westminster.

One of my tasks whilst working in the Manned Security Guarding Industry was the training of new Security Officers. This included two days in the classroom explaining in detail their powers etc. I do know what I am talking about.

Good luck ~ Hope you like porridge, you may find yourselves eating quite a lot of it. Get yourself some proper legal advice first.

My advice is to keep away from this one and go about it properly.
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Re: TMR
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2009, 06:33:34 PM »
Wot he said. OH is going beyond now.

Reporting your MP to the plod is fine by me!  angel1

I have already reported several MPs to the Benefits Grassline and have written to all my MEP candidates. They are cagey  eveilgrin:
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2009, 06:53:29 PM »
Best way to go Nick.

One sometimes wonders if OH is not doing this more to publicise himself than to root out the troughers and ne'er-do-wells from their hiding places in the Palace of Westminster.

The ball is rolling ~ we only need to give it a gentle push now and again. We do not need, as the lovely Ms Lumley has shown so well, to go to excess to make and win our point. OH would do better to devote his obvious surfeit of spare time to some door to door canvassing and help ensure a good turnout for the election, whenever it comes. Thus far he has raised the profile a bit and has pulled a couple of good stunts but people get tired of such things very quickly and if he goes too far he will lose all sympathy and support.

Plod is not stupid and is playing a longer game, waiting until they have him bang to rights and then they'll have him inside so fast his eyes will water.
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Offline The Moan Ranger

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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2009, 11:48:33 AM »
From OH - "A simple stand now, a sign that it will not be tolerated by the public, done in good spirits (but with real handcuffs) will save considerable amounts of bloodshed in years to come. Something we all owe our children for letting it get this bad.".

http://www.grumpieroldmen.co.uk/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=24093

I think he just wants lots of cameras there, I don't think there's a suggestion that he wants us all to go wading in trying to slap cuffs on all and sundry.
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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2009, 09:38:42 PM »
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