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Climate Change Redux
« on: January 07, 2015, 11:36:41 AM »
Just musing on temperature and stuff...  rubschin:

According to the 'Catastophic climate change is happening' people 2014 was supposed to be the warmest year in a billionteen years by about 0.1°C or some such....

But I've just driven town to the village to get my post.... it was 7°C at the house, 8°C at the village and 9°C at the 'bottom' of the village.... only a few hundred meters apart....

...at the top of me 'ill it is apparently -5°C...

It will undoubtedly be a bit warmer than here at the sea front.....

Clearly, just to produce an accurate average temperature record for Cyprus you'd need thousands of monitoring points and even that wouldn't properly represent the ~15 degrees difference between the top of me 'ill  and the sea front.

So, how TF do you accurately measure the temperature of the entire planet to an accuracy of 0.1°C with just a few thousand monitoring sites...? Shrugs:
 
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Re: Climate Change Redux
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2015, 02:14:53 PM »
Just musing on temperature and stuff...  rubschin:

According to the 'Catastophic climate change is happening' people 2014 was supposed to be the warmest year in a billionteen years by about 0.1°C or some such....

But I've just driven town to the village to get my post.... it was 7°C at the house, 8°C at the village and 9°C at the 'bottom' of the village.... only a few hundred meters apart....

...at the top of me 'ill it is apparently -5°C...

It will undoubtedly be a bit warmer than here at the sea front.....

Clearly, just to produce an accurate average temperature record for Cyprus you'd need thousands of monitoring points and even that wouldn't properly represent the ~15 degrees difference between the top of me 'ill  and the sea front.

So, how TF do you accurately measure the temperature of the entire planet to an accuracy of 0.1°C with just a few thousand monitoring sites...? Shrugs:

Stick a huge thermometer up the South Pole, obviously.
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Re: Climate Change Redux
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2015, 11:41:39 AM »
Just musing on temperature and stuff...  rubschin:

According to the 'Catastophic climate change is happening' people 2014 was supposed to be the warmest year in a billionteen years by about 0.1°C or some such....

But I've just driven town to the village to get my post.... it was 7°C at the house, 8°C at the village and 9°C at the 'bottom' of the village.... only a few hundred meters apart....

...at the top of me 'ill it is apparently -5°C...

It will undoubtedly be a bit warmer than here at the sea front.....

Clearly, just to produce an accurate average temperature record for Cyprus you'd need thousands of monitoring points and even that wouldn't properly represent the ~15 degrees difference between the top of me 'ill  and the sea front.

So, how TF do you accurately measure the temperature of the entire planet to an accuracy of 0.1°C with just a few thousand monitoring sites...? Shrugs:
Will try and find the site but you use a satellite in polar orbit. Scans the whole world with millions of measurements a day
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Re: Climate Change Redux
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2015, 12:10:10 PM »
I think this is the key site to look at.  http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/

I recall a super paper being based on this research which of course the climate change fundamentalists challenge

This is the latest and very key chart



So yes last year was warmer - by a fraction.  But it also shows that there was actually a medium term lowering of global temperatures in the preceding 11 years.

The UAH work has been challenged and they had to correct their earlier reports as they hadn't properly considered satellite orbit decay.   To me the 3 big truisms are these

- no one has a model of any credibility that explains what is observed
- no government is interested in any research other than that that supports them raising taxes
- the main reason for lower carbon policies is we are running out of affordable carbon to burn
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Re: Climate Change Redux
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2015, 01:21:29 PM »
I think this is the key site to look at.  http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/

I recall a super paper being based on this research which of course the climate change fundamentalists challenge

This is the latest and very key chart



So yes last year was warmer - by a fraction.  But it also shows that there was actually a medium term lowering of global temperatures in the preceding 11 years.

The UAH work has been challenged and they had to correct their earlier reports as they hadn't properly considered satellite orbit decay.   To me the 3 big truisms are these

- no one has a model of any credibility that explains what is observed
- no government is interested in any research other than that that supports them raising taxes
- the main reason for lower carbon policies is we are running out of affordable carbon to burn
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1: What happened leading up to the 1984 cooling event?

2: Where is the 11 year sunspot cycle overlay?

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Re: Climate Change Redux
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2015, 02:51:03 PM »
Dunno and dunno

It seems much more complicated than the lets raise more tax on a pretext climate changers would like us to believe.  For a start their theory that CO2 was the key greenhouse gas were all wrong so now they say the CO2 increase generates more water vapour that really is a greenhouse gas so they can still tax carbon.  But have they factored in variations in the crude but effin big nuclear reactor at the core of the earth without which even smuggers would freeze?  Course not they just say that's constant.

With so much affordable burnable carbon being in nutjob infested lands it does IMHO seem wise to moderate our use of it though.
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