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Stop and Quiz
« on: May 29, 2007, 05:13:31 PM »
First it was stop and search, now its stop and quiz but with a difference. If this goes through then police would be able to stop anyone as long as the officer involved thinks that they are 'dodgy'.

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Proposals to allow police to stop and question anyone in the UK under new anti-terror laws have been criticised.
Opponents warned that plans to ask people about their identity and movements may harm community relations.

Northern Ireland Secretary Peter Hain said care must be taken not to alienate whole communities.

But Home Office minister Tony McNulty said there would be plenty of time for consultation and people should wait to see exactly what the new powers were.

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The civil rights group Liberty's director, Shami Chakrabarti, said: "This looks like political machismo.

"Stopping and questioning anyone you like will backfire because people will be being criminalised."

Mr Hain, who is in the running to become Labour's deputy leader, told BBC1's Sunday AM programme that the UK must take care that its anti-terror legislation does not alienate whole communities, such as Muslims.

"We have got to be very careful that we do not create circumstances that are the domestic equivalent of Guantanamo Bay," he said.

"Guantanamo Bay, which was an international abuse of human rights, acted as a recruiting sergeant for dissidents and alienated Muslims and alienated many other people across the world."

Shadow foreign secretary William Hague told the same programme that the Conservatives would consider the proposals on merit.

Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Nick Clegg warned it would only increase radicalism.

Ahmed Versi, editor of Muslim News, a newspaper for British Muslims, said that extending police powers would be "counter-productive" in the effort to improve relations with Muslims and could drive some towards extremists.

Islamic Human Rights Commission chairman Massoud Shadjareh said it was essential to separate security issues from the "politics of fear".

'Reasonable suspicion'

The new legislation would be similar to that already used in Northern Ireland.

Police are still likely to need a "reasonable suspicion" a crime may be committed. Anyone refusing to co-operate could be fined up to ?5,000.

At present, under section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000, officers already have the power to stop and search people or vehicles in an area seen as being at risk from terrorism, even if they are not suspected of any breach of the law.

A Home Office spokeswoman said that the new proposals would give officers an automatic right to stop and question anyone in the UK about suspected terrorism.

Am I the only person who sees a dangerous precedence being set here, where the erosion of freedoms by the government has up until now been a gradual thing this is blatant.

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Mr McNulty, the counter-terrorism minister, told BBC Radio 4's The World This Weekend the government would reveal its proposals to Parliament in the next couple of weeks.

He said: "There will be plenty of time to consult with a whole range of people before introducing such a bill - probably as late as October, November."

Labour chairwoman Hazel Blears, who is also a deputy leadership candidate, said the proposal was "reasonable".

Control orders

When it emerged on Thursday that three men suspected of wanting to kill UK troops had disappeared, Mr Reid criticised his political opponents and judges for stopping the use of tougher measures against terror suspects.

He promised new anti-terror measures and told MPs that the government could consider suspending some parts of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) so it can impose tougher control orders.

Greater powers to remove vehicles and paperwork for inspection are also believed to be part of the measures.

Writing in the Sunday Times, Tony Blair said the disappearance of the three suspects under control orders was a symptom of a society which put civil liberties before fighting terror, and that was "misguided and wrong".

He said: "If a foreign national comes here, and may be at risk in his own country, we should treat him well. But if he then abuses our hospitality and threatens us, I feel he should take his chance back in his own home country."

A symptom of putting civil liberties above fighting terror? Balls is it, its a case of letting Cherie and co make a fortune by defending civil liberties while you try and take them down. If that was truely as you said then you would have already scrapped part of the EU convention on human rights and then you wouldnt have allowed control orders in the first place and would have had them locked away somwhere secure long before now. No its a symptom of a government that spent so much time crawling up Bush's backside that it never realised how it was screwing up governing and protecting the country they are supposed to be responsible for and are now grasping at straws.

You could make it much harder to enter the country illegally, you could automatically deport anyone who is suspected of being linked to a terror cell or plot but no you kept the gates opened and pandered to the extremists just to keep the votes of the moderates. And then topped it off by putting people in charge of the home office who couldnt find their own arse with a GPS and a pack of bloodhounds never mind find the dangerous extremists you have let into this country.
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Re: Stop and Quiz
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2007, 05:29:46 PM »
No you are not alone,

I see this as a step towards the ID card which was supposed to be voluntary.  You will be stopped and detained over and over until you get the message.  Get an ID Card to prove who you are and we won't keep on arresting you to find out who you are.

No, It's not compulsory, whoever told you that?

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Re: Stop and Quiz
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2007, 05:17:44 AM »
I agree with Bouncer?

They keep plugging-away at these stories, over and over and over? inevitably the great unwashed will start to think ?If only we had ID cards?? before you know it the public will be begging for ID cards to ?solve? all these issues.

You have to admit that it is a clever and well thought-out policy. I wonder who is going to be reaping the rewards of the multi-billion Pound ID card contract ? ?T Blair & Son Security Consultants? perhaps?
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Re: Stop and Quiz
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2007, 03:53:17 PM »
I'm convinced that the entire balls up that has been made of the system, stop and search, stop and quiz, control orders et al was concieved by Tony and Cherie just so that they can rake in the cash with her taking on the human rights cases. After all the procedures that have been put in to place to 'protect' us have been about as effective as the John Prescott diet plan  Banghead
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Re: Stop and Quiz
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2007, 04:02:34 PM »
I like this idea. Stop and Quiz.

Will I be able to phone a friend, ask the audience, go 50/50?
If not I won't play.



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Re: Stop and Quiz
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2007, 04:08:14 PM »
 happy001 You swine, I just choked on my coffee
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Re: Stop and Quiz
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2007, 06:30:41 AM »
I like this idea. Stop and Quiz.

Will I be able to phone a friend, ask the audience, go 50/50?
If not I won't play.



I have this mental vision of a bunch of scallys sat in a row at the side of the road while a copper says "Fingers on Buzzers, your starter for Ten .... where were you on the night of the fifth?"
I like your school of thought!

?Where were you on the night of the fifth??

Um, I?ll have a vowel, a consonant, another vowel?.  happy001
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