I'm sorry, £91 an HOUR is not enough for you???

[Grumpmeister]

Part of me says that I shouldnt be surprised at these fat cat money grabbing bastards. If this government had any spine (and no personal interests) they would make taking legal aid cases a compulsory part of being allowed to practice law in this country and make the pay for those cases performance related. The majority of us 'normal' folk would love to be paid that much you self important greedy tossers!!!

The justice system in this country is alteady a joke and these opportunists are making it worse just for a chance to line their pockets a little more.

Major trials could be delayed because barristers are refusing to work for £91 an hour, it has been warned.

Lawyers in England and Wales are boycotting a panel set up to decide pay rates in the most serious court cases.

Criminal Bar Association chairman Peter Lodder QC said at least five trials had already been affected and more could be hit in the coming weeks.

The Ministry of Justice said it would not expect any cases to be delayed for "lack of an appropriate advocate".

Mr Lodder said the rates of pay for Legal Aid work being offered by the Very High Cost Cases (VHCC) panel for preparation work leading up to a trial ranged from minimums of £70 for a junior barrister to £91 for a QC.

He told BBC News: "Most barristers have declined to sign the contract that's been offered. They have done so because the rates of pay on offer are so very low.

"It means that in these high-profile, complex and difficult cases they are being paid a much lower rate than has ever been the case before."

'Not fat cats'

Mr Lodder said a barrister would receive only about half the fee, after deductions such as overheads, expenses and tax.

He told the Times: "You might be better off buying a pair of pliers and working as a plumber. This is our livelihood and most barristers are proud of the work they do.

"And contrary to public conception, these are not all fat cats - few barristers doing these high-profile cases earn a lot of money."

Among the cases reported to have been affected is the trial of a 17-year-old accused of the murder of Rhys Jones in Liverpool.

However, the panel made an exception for the defendant and Merseyside Police and Merseyside CPS say they know of no delay to the case, which is due to begin on 2 October.

Mr Lodder said defendants in serious cases may have to be released on bail because of the row, as they can only be held in custody for a maximum of 112 days between committal and the trial arraignment.

A Ministry of Justice spokesman said: "Solicitors have told the Legal Services Commission that they expect to be able to find counsel of the requisite experience to act in very high cost cases.

"The establishment of the Very High Cost Cases panel... was part of a balanced package of reforms to put the Legal Aid budget as a whole on a sustainable footing, which was well understood by the Bar."

[Snoopy]

It might be as well if someone were to tell Mr Peter Lodder QC, Learned Counsel that he undeniably is, that a plumber would have little use for "a pair of pliers" and would be much more likely to need "Grips" and "Wrenches".
Mr Lodder clearly knows very little about the real world.
















Yes ~ I just know someone with an underdeveloped sense of humour will now "quote" the above and change Wrenches to Wenches 

[Darwins Selection]

It might be as well if someone were to tell Mr Peter Lodder QC, Learned Counsel that he undeniably is, that a plumber would have little use for "a pair of pliers" and would be much more likely to need "Grips" and "Wrenches".
Mr Lodder clearly knows very little about the real world.

Yes ~ I just know someone with an underdeveloped sense of humour will now "quote" the above and change Wrenches to Wenches 

This, Sir, is the Commons.

Whilst I know of no person afflicted thus, I am sure that, should such a person exist, they would refrain from such activity in this place. 

[Uncle Mort]

I'm sure a plumber would have pliers in his/her bag along with the grips and wrenches though.

[Grumpmeister]

I'll leave the wench joke to BM or Darwin hound.

Its the arrogance of the demand that has boiled my blood more than anything. Having said that I know solicitors who's reaction to that news article makes mine look mild so they aren't all money grabbing opportunistic bastards.

[Snoopy]

I'm sure a plumber would have pliers in his/her bag along with the grips and wrenches though.

Possibly but it is not a essential part of a plumber's "Tools of the trade" proving, to me at least, that our learned friend is not one that I would wish to have representing me should I ever have the misfortune to appear before the beak.

[Grumpmeister]

That would depend Snoop, he could be an expert in twisting the system to get the result he wants without having to know anything about the real world.

[Snoopy]

At £47 to tune the piano my piano tuner is on £94 an hour.