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Offline Grumpmeister

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Correct me if I'm wrong
« on: October 10, 2008, 12:43:04 PM »
Isnt a large part of the reason that fuel is so expensive in this country the ridiculous amount of VAT your government has levied on it?  cussing:

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Gordon Brown has called for the recent falls in the price of oil to be passed on to UK consumers.

The price of oil has plummeted - from a high of $147 a barrel for US Light Crude this summer to $82.24 at midday on Friday.

The prime minister said: "I want these price cuts passed onto the consumer, and passed on as quickly as possible."

The price of oil has been falling due to concerns that the economic slowdown will lead to a fall in global demand.

Many UK consumers are struggling with high energy bills and petrol prices.

The prime minister also called on Opec not to cut production at its forthcoming emergency meeting as this would put upward pressure on prices.

Demand 'slow'

His statement comes on the same day that the International Energy Agency (IEA) cut its forecast for oil demand growth to its lowest level for 15 years.

It cited economic weakness and "a liquidity crisis" as the reasons.

The IEA has reduced its 2008 forecast by 250,000 barrels per day, to 440,000 barrels, and its 2009 estimate by 190,000, to 690,000 barrels per day.

US light crude was down $4.09 at $82.53 a barrel on the news while London Brent crude fell $3.84 to $79.18 a barrel.

Lack of liquidity

The Paris-based agency blamed global economic weakness and, in particular, the lack of liquidity in world markets resulting from the current financial crisis, for the drop in demand.

The impact of this weakness, it said, was being felt most acutely in developed countries, with developing economies showing "a degree of resilience".

"Although non-OECD slowdown is also likely, it is by no means certain that growth will be choked off altogether. We have yet to see unambiguous evidence of a sharp slowdown in China, while Middle Eastern demand growth remains robust," the agency said.

Falling demand among developed economies has seen the price of oil fall dramatically from its summer highs. US light crude hit a June high of $147 a barrel.

Supply lines

The IEA said the credit crisis was also hitting supply, as it made it difficult for companies to raise money to invest in the industry.

"Credit shortages are rapidly becoming yet another in a long line of impediments to industry investment," the agency said.

Oil producing cartel Opec agreed in September to strict output targets that have so far reduced output by 300,000 barrels a day, "largely due to unplanned outages", according to the IEA.

Global oil supply fell by 1.1m barrels a day in September.

However, it is in the interests of Opec to cut supply in order to put upward pressure on the oil price. If supply falls sufficiently, then oil prices will stabilise.

Opec has called an extraordinary meeting on 18 November in Vienna to discuss "the global financial crisis, the world economic situation and the impacts on the oil market."

The Prime Minister said: "I am concerned when I hear that the Opec countries are about the meet to discuss cutting production. I am making it clear to Opec that it would be wrong for the world economy and people paying high prices to cut production and therefore keep prices high."
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2008, 12:53:13 PM »
Ahem... VAT and then Duty  cussing:
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2008, 12:55:32 PM »
I am finding the whole situation extremely worrying.Brown and the rest haven's a clue what to do except to borrow money, steal our money, spend money and invent money and now accuse Iceland of terrorism FFS!!

Some in the blogosphere are predicting that he may invoke the Civil Coningencies Act. A few days ago I would have laughed this off as paranoia.I am not so sure now. TTher is to be some sort of assualt on the Bank of England at 3.00. It will be interesting to see how the police respond.

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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2008, 12:55:51 PM »
Ahem... VAT and then Duty  cussing:

From after tax income  cussing:
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2008, 01:11:50 PM »
US Oil is down to $78 a barrel ten minutes ago. (Sky News)

And I think you will find that the Fuel Duty is added to the price of the fuel, then the "fuel escalator" is applied
and then VAT is added to that.
Taxed on taxes whichever way round you do it.
Same as cars. They have a tax on them and then VAT is added to the cost price + duty.
Booze is the same. There is a tax on the alcoholic beverage and the combined price is then subject to VAT at 17.5%
The whole thing is a rip off.
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2008, 01:16:20 PM »
This is how it works based on a retail price of £1.15 a litre



And for diesel at a retail price of £1.27.9

« Last Edit: October 10, 2008, 01:18:05 PM by Snoopy »
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2008, 01:30:47 PM »
Yep. Ta for the correction. I need to fill the car up... Shall I wait another day?
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2008, 01:32:14 PM »
How can the product cost of diesel (a by-product of the petrol production process) be more than that of petrol...?
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2008, 01:39:32 PM »
BM ~  shrugs:

Pastis ~ check out  http://www.whatprice.co.uk/petrol-prices/recent-petrol-prices.html
Stick in your post code and get the cheapest prices in your area. Asda & Sainsbury tend to be the same nationally and I am currently paying £105.9 for unleaded at Sainsbugs in Rhyl.
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Re: Correct me if I'm wrong
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2008, 01:46:05 PM »
Ta, again. £1.00 / L ! Bugger!  redface:

Ali's cut price Jet station is not listed and he's usually cheaper still.
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