Mother of young tearaway says ASBO will not work 'as he has ODD'

[Barman]

The mother of a 12-year-old boy responsible for "terrorising" an estate claims her son should not have been given an anti-social behaviour order (ASBO) because he has oppositional defiant disorder (ODD).

Nadine West, 38, said an ASBO would not improve Sonny Grainger's behaviour as his ODD means whatever anyone in authority tells him to do, he does the opposite.

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Take a look at the little sod!



AS usual, Leg-Iron captures the mood perfectly...

...an ASBO would not improve Sonny Grainger's behaviour as his ODD means whatever anyone in authority tells him to do, he does the opposite.

ODD isn't just a shouty way of saying he's odd. It means he has 'oppositional defiant disorder' which looks to me like a new PC way of saying 'sociopathic nutcase who should be locked up and the key ground to dust and fed to him in his cornflakes'. If this condition was real, and he is forced by his mental state to do the opposite of what he's told, then it would be easy to manage him. 'Don't you dare tidy that room'. 'Steal cars.' 'Treat people with no respect whatsoever and be violent to them.' If it was a real condition he would do the opposite.

He doesn't though. He does whatever he damn well pleases and gets away with it on this 'medical condition' excuse. He has an ASBO. He ignored it and now he's tagged. He's sedated in the evenings to control him. A child psychologist is making a great deal of money out of his case and probably writing a paper on the new condition he just made up. It doesn't say who's paying but well, it doesn't need to, does it?

Why is he really like this? Any adult who catches him stealing their car, burning their shed or beating up Granny and subsequently laid so much as a finger on him would be in court the next day. He wouldn't be charged. He knows this. All the little thugs like him know it too. They can do what they please and nobody can touch them. The worst they can expect is an ASBO which means nothing because few of them can even spell it. The tag means nothing to him, he's drugged to sleep at night anyway and free once more the next day to do what he wants to who he wants.

This is a yob created by the upside-down laws of this country which excuse the perpetrator and criminalise the victim. There are more like him out there now.

There will be even more in the future, unless someone with a brain takes charge of the country.

But I particularly enjoyed the comments of Pogo inresponse to Leg-Iron....

A rant from an old fart.
I'm old. I went to school in "the good old days". I was one of the lucky "bright working class" to have gone to grammar school from where I progressed to university and finally got a PhD - but I got there via a couple of bloody rough infant and junior schools in a midlands (UK) industrial town (and grammar school wasn't exactly a stroll in the park either!). Thus I speak with the massive expertise and weight that such a grounding gives me :-)

"When I were a lad" there were no such things as ADHD, ODD and other assorted tangles of letters. The profitability and job-creation possibilities of medicalising bad behaviour in children had not yet dawned upon the drugs companies and the "social industry". All that used to happen was that kids who had these "behaviour problems" had the living daylights belted out of them until they realised the inherent futility and antisocial nature of their actions, after which, the vast majority actually settled down and learned something or, at least, stopped disrupting the rest of the class.

And learn we did, in classes of up to 45 kids, sitting in rows on wooden "forms", being *tought*. Discipline was tight, abrupt, painful, and not subject to weeks of negotiation. OK, not such a "joyful experience" as modern schooling apparently is supposed to be, but by the age of eleven I don't remember anyone in the 130-odd kids in my year who couldn't read, write and do some arithmetic. We even had an idea about where some of the other places in the world were and knew a bit about history without the modern-day guilt-trip.

There is no longer any respect or discipline instilled in children, they become aware very quickly that they are virtually inviolable and that there are hordes of "experts" only too willing to tell them "there there, it isn't your fault, have a pill" if they get caught doing something utterly beyond the pale or after their unfortunate teacher has been found with her head in the oven for the fourth time.

Personally, I reckon they should birch the little fuckers - my late father, who grew up in the same rough town, told me that a couple of his reprobate friends got birched "and made bloody certain that they never went back for a second helping". Barbaric maybe, but is it as barbarian as the behaviour of the uncontrollable little shits that the present system encourages?

Excellent! 

[Miss Demeanour]

On the flip side of this there are stories like this ...where the child has 'an attachment disorder ' and the adopted parents want him removed 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1195634/Take-10-year-old-son-away--kills-Couple-begs-social-services-help.html

A couple fears their ten-year-old adopted son will kill unless he receives the correct treatment for his mental illness.
The child, who suffers from an attachment disorder, was taken into care in January after a sustained period of committing dangerous and violent acts against his family. The family, who asked not to be identified, has been issued with a string of death threats.

The child has stabbed his father with a kitchen knife, attempted to strangle his mother with a seatbelt as she was driving a car, and left traps of shattered glass to cut his siblings' feet.He also began trying to sexually assault young girls and was even caught trying to attack his half-sister

That's not an attachment disorder - that is just plain evil 

[Barman]

On the flip side of this there are stories like this ...where the child has 'an attachment disorder ' and the adopted parents want him removed 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1195634/Take-10-year-old-son-away--kills-Couple-begs-social-services-help.html

A couple fears their ten-year-old adopted son will kill unless he receives the correct treatment for his mental illness.
The child, who suffers from an attachment disorder, was taken into care in January after a sustained period of committing dangerous and violent acts against his family. The family, who asked not to be identified, has been issued with a string of death threats.

The child has stabbed his father with a kitchen knife, attempted to strangle his mother with a seatbelt as she was driving a car, and left traps of shattered glass to cut his siblings' feet.He also began trying to sexually assault young girls and was even caught trying to attack his half-sister

That's not an attachment disorder - that is just plain evil 

Indeed... lock him up, throw away the key... Job jobbed!

[Uncle Mort]

His adoring mum:





I did wonder what his Dad thinks but I couldn't find a mention of him. 

[Darwins Selection]

I don't like to say it, but the traditional way of removing scum like that from the gene pool was 'proper' wars where they took out their violence on 'enemies' or were killed in the process.

[Nick]

On the flip side of this there are stories like this ...where the child has 'an attachment disorder ' and the adopted parents want him removed 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1195634/Take-10-year-old-son-away--kills-Couple-begs-social-services-help.html

A couple fears their ten-year-old adopted son will kill unless he receives the correct treatment for his mental illness.
The child, who suffers from an attachment disorder, was taken into care in January after a sustained period of committing dangerous and violent acts against his family. The family, who asked not to be identified, has been issued with a string of death threats.

The child has stabbed his father with a kitchen knife, attempted to strangle his mother with a seatbelt as she was driving a car, and left traps of shattered glass to cut his siblings' feet.He also began trying to sexually assault young girls and was even caught trying to attack his half-sister

That's not an attachment disorder - that is just plain evil 

I take a different view on this, for obvious reasons. The Boy has had a troubled past and is in long term psychotherapy for problems which need to be sorted now. Adopted kids are VERY prone to weird behavioural stuff, especially if they spent the first few years of their lives being tortured and stuff

[Miss Demeanour]

I understand that only to well Nick, especially with the history that some of the kids that my mum has fostered over the years has shown   ..but if you believed either your life or that of Mrs Nick was in danger then surely you would put that first

Not everything has to have a label sometimes is all