Nigel v. Nick live thread

[Barman]

Where did I say I wanted it both ways? 

You seem to use opinions as if they are 'facts'  they're not

I call Farage a liar because he clearly is.  A liar isn't a comparitive term it's an absolute for someone who utters a falsehood knowing it to be false. 

And come on it's not like he hasn't been told is it.  "485 million" (FFS there's not 450 million in the rest of the EU), "29 million" when the census figures say 27.5 and declining and no way they are all able, £55M a day when the truth is £17 to £24M depending on how you look at import duties and "75% of laws" based on a wild arsed guesstimate from Germany in 2005 when no one has been able to find more than 50% in any sub category of laws.

But as I said UKIP is more about an emotional argument, their supporters don't care about the details but hope big emotional numbers will win the middle ground.  Well we'll see what the middle ground really thinks in about 370 days time. 

I remain both an EU and UKIP sceptic

You do want it both ways Steve... 

Farage is a liar if the facts are slightly out (less than 10%) yet you defend 7% because "it is true in a narrow context" when the actual figure - the absolute figure that he was claiming - could be ten times higher! 

Anyway, you can be as sceptical as you like - Clegg wanted a debate on Europe and the polls show that Nigel won the debate fair and square - and by a vast margin. 

[Steve]

Where did I say I wanted it both ways? 

You seem to use opinions as if they are 'facts'  they're not

I call Farage a liar because he clearly is.  A liar isn't a comparitive term it's an absolute for someone who utters a falsehood knowing it to be false. 

And come on it's not like he hasn't been told is it.  "485 million" (FFS there's not 450 million in the rest of the EU), "29 million" when the census figures say 27.5 and declining and no way they are all able, £55M a day when the truth is £17 to £24M depending on how you look at import duties and "75% of laws" based on a wild arsed guesstimate from Germany in 2005 when no one has been able to find more than 50% in any sub category of laws.

But as I said UKIP is more about an emotional argument, their supporters don't care about the details but hope big emotional numbers will win the middle ground.  Well we'll see what the middle ground really thinks in about 370 days time. 

I remain both an EU and UKIP sceptic

You do want it both ways Steve... 

Farage is a liar if the facts are slightly out (less than 10%) yet you defend 7% because "it is true in a narrow context" when the actual figure - the absolute figure that he was claiming - could be ten times higher! 

Anyway, you can be as sceptical as you like - Clegg wanted a debate on Europe and the polls show that Nigel won the debate fair and square - and by a vast margin. 

No doubt that Farage was the big winner on both nights. 

But how can I want it "both ways" if I describe Clegg's 7% as "a stupid and wrong thing to do"

[Darwins Selection]

Where did I say I wanted it both ways? 

You seem to use opinions as if they are 'facts'  they're not

I call Farage a liar because he clearly is.  A liar isn't a comparitive term it's an absolute for someone who utters a falsehood knowing it to be false. 

And come on it's not like he hasn't been told is it.  "485 million" (FFS there's not 450 million in the rest of the EU), "29 million" when the census figures say 27.5 and declining and no way they are all able, £55M a day when the truth is £17 to £24M depending on how you look at import duties and "75% of laws" based on a wild arsed guesstimate from Germany in 2005 when no one has been able to find more than 50% in any sub category of laws.

But as I said UKIP is more about an emotional argument, their supporters don't care about the details but hope big emotional numbers will win the middle ground.  Well we'll see what the middle ground really thinks in about 370 days time. 

I remain both an EU and UKIP sceptic

You do want it both ways Steve... 

Farage is a liar if the facts are slightly out (less than 10%) yet you defend 7% because "it is true in a narrow context" when the actual figure - the absolute figure that he was claiming - could be ten times higher! 

Anyway, you can be as sceptical as you like - Clegg wanted a debate on Europe and the polls show that Nigel won the debate fair and square - and by a vast margin. 

No doubt that Farage was the big winner on both nights. 

But how can I want it "both ways" if I describe Clegg's 7% as "a stupid and wrong thing to do"

Leave it aht you two, it aint werf it.

[Barman]

Where did I say I wanted it both ways? 

You seem to use opinions as if they are 'facts'  they're not

I call Farage a liar because he clearly is.  A liar isn't a comparitive term it's an absolute for someone who utters a falsehood knowing it to be false. 

And come on it's not like he hasn't been told is it.  "485 million" (FFS there's not 450 million in the rest of the EU), "29 million" when the census figures say 27.5 and declining and no way they are all able, £55M a day when the truth is £17 to £24M depending on how you look at import duties and "75% of laws" based on a wild arsed guesstimate from Germany in 2005 when no one has been able to find more than 50% in any sub category of laws.

But as I said UKIP is more about an emotional argument, their supporters don't care about the details but hope big emotional numbers will win the middle ground.  Well we'll see what the middle ground really thinks in about 370 days time. 

I remain both an EU and UKIP sceptic

You do want it both ways Steve... 

Farage is a liar if the facts are slightly out (less than 10%) yet you defend 7% because "it is true in a narrow context" when the actual figure - the absolute figure that he was claiming - could be ten times higher! 

Anyway, you can be as sceptical as you like - Clegg wanted a debate on Europe and the polls show that Nigel won the debate fair and square - and by a vast margin. 

No doubt that Farage was the big winner on both nights. 

But how can I want it "both ways" if I describe Clegg's 7% as "a stupid and wrong thing to do"

Leave it aht you two, it aint werf it.

 

[Steve]

Where did I say I wanted it both ways? 

You seem to use opinions as if they are 'facts'  they're not

I call Farage a liar because he clearly is.  A liar isn't a comparitive term it's an absolute for someone who utters a falsehood knowing it to be false. 

And come on it's not like he hasn't been told is it.  "485 million" (FFS there's not 450 million in the rest of the EU), "29 million" when the census figures say 27.5 and declining and no way they are all able, £55M a day when the truth is £17 to £24M depending on how you look at import duties and "75% of laws" based on a wild arsed guesstimate from Germany in 2005 when no one has been able to find more than 50% in any sub category of laws.

But as I said UKIP is more about an emotional argument, their supporters don't care about the details but hope big emotional numbers will win the middle ground.  Well we'll see what the middle ground really thinks in about 370 days time. 

I remain both an EU and UKIP sceptic

You do want it both ways Steve... 

Farage is a liar if the facts are slightly out (less than 10%) yet you defend 7% because "it is true in a narrow context" when the actual figure - the absolute figure that he was claiming - could be ten times higher! 

Anyway, you can be as sceptical as you like - Clegg wanted a debate on Europe and the polls show that Nigel won the debate fair and square - and by a vast margin. 

No doubt that Farage was the big winner on both nights. 

But how can I want it "both ways" if I describe Clegg's 7% as "a stupid and wrong thing to do"

Leave it aht you two, it aint werf it.

 

And just when it was going to get all

Wise words Darwin

[apc2010]

Waiting for yougov results on BM V Steve.........

[Barman]

Waiting for yougov results on BM V Steve.........

[Steve]

YouGov results just in:

91% Could not give a flying fuck
  4% If Steve buys a round then he won
  4% If BM buys a round then he won
  1% Too pissed to reply


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[Uncle Mort]

Hurrah for the apathetic!

[Steve]

Back in serious mode, I bet Call-me-Dave wasn't upset to see Millipede's position beaten up by on the nights winner Farage.  Interestingly this morning CMD could still dismiss both debaters as extremists (ie read as nutters)