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Offline Snoopy

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Not only ID cards then
« on: August 27, 2007, 09:45:00 AM »
They've been keeping this one very quiet haven't they?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6965081.stm

And when the child reaches the age of majority will their details be erased? You bet your sweet life they will not and there is a whole new database of everybody whether they avoid buying a passport, ID cards or whatever. The b@st@rds win again.
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Re: Not only ID cards then
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2007, 09:47:36 AM »
I have heard tell of it for some time. Do any of us think it will actually work?


NO

Expect delays, cost over-runs and cockups.
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Re: Not only ID cards then
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2007, 09:51:47 AM »
Quote from: Nick on August 27, 2007, 09:47:36 AM
I have heard tell of it for some time. Do any of us think it will actually work?


NO

Expect delays, cost over-runs and cockups.

Of course it will work .... They'll throw more and more money at it until it does. Look at the CRB. Complete and utter cock-up but it is still there, making decisions about people (often wrongly) and being accepted as gospel by Government.
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Re: Not only ID cards then
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2007, 09:52:26 AM »
So we agree then!
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Re: Not only ID cards then
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2007, 09:55:32 AM »
Quote from: Nick on August 27, 2007, 09:52:26 AM
So we agree then!

Oh Yes!
I'm just amazed that it has been building for so long (despite slipping under most people's radar) and that only now do the "professionals" express "concerns".
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Re: Not only ID cards then
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2007, 12:15:46 PM »
Most people that have read and understood the ID project have expressed their suspicion or hostility to it YEARS ago. I am a member of No2ID (naturally) and have seen the amount of money and sheer determination that has been thrown at the idea.

We have all got the message that whether it costs ?B20 or ?B200 they are going to do it, if it is in any way possible!
Only a change of government will stop it, and I am increasingly doubtful that that will happen.

The encryption technology that makes all of this secure was broken in The Netherlands last year and it has been possible to clone passports and pilot ID cards with impunity.  The RFID method of scanning which is also supposed to be encrypted and very short range is proven to be so poor and vulnerable that the Americans are issuing their passports in foil covers to avert wholesale ID theft. (Foil hats come true)  The idea of every detail of every person being held in one database makes my blood run cold. Every criminal in the world will be sparing no effort or cost to get in to that.  You could hold the entire country to ransom in so many ways...

Apart from that the project has cost more than the Afghanistan and Iraq wars put together, it is the reason the country is so cash strapped.  If you have ever had a tiny tingle of sympathy to all those millions of animals that were so recently herded up and destroyed, then think you will have been looking at your future.  Everywhere you go, everything you do, anyone you talk to and every penny you earn and spend will all be recorded for anyone to see.

We are already have the most surveillance in the world and it is plain to see that crime is unaffected by it, but still they come. Every time you get on a bus or taxi or use a cash point or even watch TV or do anything that involves cash or identity you will be marked and the CCTV will fill in the gaps.

The age of freedom as we know it is about to end, whilst we just sat about and watched it happen.
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Re: Not only ID cards then
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2007, 12:31:29 PM »
There are many variations on this poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niem?ller (1892?1984)
But this version inscribed at the New England Holocaust Memorial in Boston, Massachusetts seems to sum it all up:

    They came first for the Communists,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Catholics,
    and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

    Then they came for me,
    and by that time no one was left to speak up.
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Re: Not only ID cards then
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2007, 12:46:28 PM »
Quote from: Snoopy on August 27, 2007, 09:45:00 AM
They've been keeping this one very quiet haven't they?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6965081.stm

And when the child reaches the age of majority will their details be erased? You bet your sweet life they will not and there is a whole new database of everybody whether they avoid buying a passport, ID cards or whatever. The b@st@rds win again.

Did you know about this?   eeek:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/A15693113

http://www.leavethemkidsalone.com/

http://fishnchippapers.typepad.com/tomorrow_fish_n_chip_pape/biometrics/index.html
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Re: Not only ID cards then
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2007, 01:12:57 PM »
I hadn't realised the extent that it had reached.
"THEY" must be stopped.
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Re: Not only ID cards then
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2007, 01:24:47 PM »
I really wonder whether the present level of lawlessness and unbridled immigration isn't there to serve the purpose of actually wanting the Identity controls believing that it will make everything better for us.

The same lack of vision prevails, the ideology is that if it is within the wit of man to devise a foolproof system, then it must equally be within the wit of man to think of a way around it.

If that were not true then bank robberies and prison escapes would have dries up years ago.

It will end up where we, the honest public, will be taken like lambs to the slaughter by crooks and government alike.

The only people that will have a life will be those that will have the privilege of being exempted from the ID database. And those that will absolutely refuse to comply and be imprisoned where hopefully, I will learn some better anti-ID data ideas. 

I never did like the concept of an old peoples home anyway - and I'll have more human rights inside and be able to smoke in jail  ;)
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Re: Not only ID cards then
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2007, 01:41:30 PM »
Wonder if they'll let us share a cell?
Bags I get the top bunk ~ after all Nick has had to say on the toilet habits of Cats  eeek:
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Re: Not only ID cards then
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2007, 02:08:20 PM »
Quote from: Snoopy on August 27, 2007, 01:41:30 PM
Wonder if they'll let us share a cell?
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Re: Not only ID cards then
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2007, 02:33:21 PM »
Quote from: Bouncer on August 27, 2007, 02:08:20 PM
Quote from: Snoopy on August 27, 2007, 01:41:30 PM
Wonder if they'll let us share a cell?
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http://www.sleepeetime.com/

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Re: Not only ID cards then
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2007, 02:35:55 PM »
<Snigger>

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Re: Not only ID cards then
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2007, 03:49:30 PM »
Quote from: BBC Web Site
Around 330,000 approved users, including head teachers, doctors and social workers, will have access to the database, The Times said.

Security concerns were heightened by the disclosure that the details of the children of politicians and celebrities were expected to be excluded, the newspaper added.

However, the Department for Children, Schools and Families insisted the new system would be secure.


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I?m sorry but you really couldn?t make it up could you?

1) It will be totally secure
2) 330,000 users will have access to it

Complete, total farce ? so farcical that no politician will have to be forced to have his children on it.
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