Corona Bingo...

[apc2010]

Spain back on the Quarantine countries list

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53540691

 

Went out today ...not a mask in sight ..   but in Mall ..taking temp on entry (awaits jokes )..and hand sanitizer ..

[Steve]

Spain back on the Quarantine countries list

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53540691

 

Went out today ...not a mask in sight ..   but in Mall ..taking temp on entry (awaits jokes )..and hand sanitizer ..

Cyprus has been a success story, hopefully it'll continue to be

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/cyprus/

[Steve]

. . .As you say, this ridiculous second wave nonsense needs to be kicked into the long grass... 

 



from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/

[Barman]

. . .As you say, this ridiculous second wave nonsense needs to be kicked into the long grass... 

 



from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/

But that is just cases... If you test loadsapeople you are bound to get loadsacases... But eh Spaniards aren't dropping like flies...

 



Don’t fall for the virus ‘second wave’ narrative

THE second wave is here! In Catalonia in Spain and in a few states in the southern United States the doomsayers have found what they were looking for: proof that all this continued social distancing and now enforced mask-wearing is worth it. The narrative has been sealed by swift and decisive UK government action to quarantine all entering from Spain, leaving anyone on holiday facing an unexpected 14-day isolation and those with breaks booked the prospect of having to cancel without refund.

Spain does not agree with the UK’s assessment. ‘Spain is safe, it is safe for Spaniards, it is safe for tourists,’ Foreign Minister Arancha Gonzalez Laya said on Sunday.

This isn’t just wishful thinking. While there has in the past month been a surge in cases, mainly in Catalonia, there has been no corresponding surge in deaths nor in serious cases, which remain notably flat, indicating a surge so far either among the low risk or in the number of tests only.

[Steve]

There's definitely an effect of more testing than in March but Spain was testing big time way before now.  So that leaves the mystery that the deaths are not ramping up there.  It appears the cases are ramping up in the night clubbing young who by and large do not die or even become 'serious cases'.  But they do take the infection home to the petri dish of mum and dad who of course could well die.

If Spain won't impose internal travel restrictions and practically we can't force returning travellers to have an age based quarantine then we've been left with little choice but to have them on the dodgy list.
 
Not often you'll see me defend Boris and co
 

[Steve]

Well done Trump and Bolsonaro 





https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[Grumpmeister]

Hang on, you are blaming Trump for the number of cases. Have you tried looking at the breakdown by state/city as you will find that the Democrats deserve a large portion of the blame as they were the ones in charge of the worst areas such as New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, California, Michigan, Illinois, Louisiana, Connecticut and Maryland had 574,570 confirmed cases with 44,924 deaths the majority of both cases and deaths being in New York State. At the same time Texas, Florida, Ohio, Arizona, Tennessee, Indiana, Missouri, South Carolina, Alabama and Oklahoma had 121,664 confirmed cases with 4,610 deaths.

Now by your reckoning Trump is responsible for all the states so how do you explain the discrepancy?

[Steve]

Hang on, you are blaming Trump for the number of cases. Have you tried looking at the breakdown by state/city as you will find that the Democrats deserve a large portion of the blame as they were the ones in charge of the worst areas such as New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, California, Michigan, Illinois, Louisiana, Connecticut and Maryland had 574,570 confirmed cases with 44,924 deaths the majority of both cases and deaths being in New York State. At the same time Texas, Florida, Ohio, Arizona, Tennessee, Indiana, Missouri, South Carolina, Alabama and Oklahoma had 121,664 confirmed cases with 4,610 deaths.

Now by your reckoning Trump is responsible for all the states so how do you explain the discrepancy?

I refer you to the 'buck stops here'

He's the one that encouraged disobedience of lockdown measures, he's the one that's constantly undermined the medical experts.  The USA is reaping what he's sowed

[Steve]

Well done Boris and Bunglers, we are the worst in Europe 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/comparisonsofallcausemortalitybetweeneuropeancountriesandregions/januarytojune2020#country-comparability

'While England did not have the highest peak mortality, it did have the longest continuous period of excess mortality of any country compared, resulting in England having the highest levels of excess mortality in Europe for the period as a whole.'

[Grumpmeister]

Encouraged constant disobedience of lockdown measures? Have you even looked at the news coming out of America for the last few weeks or did you miss the overwhelming Democrat support for the thousands who have been out at the BLM riots/protests/looting burning and pillaging bonanza despite it being in complete contravention of lockdown measures not to mention common law in the case of the rioters and looters. These would be the same Democrats that purposely blocked previous aid packages until they could force in financial aid to things that had nothing to do with the outbreak.

Or are you talking about Trump's belief in hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin something that has been misrepresented and politicised. In which case I'll refer you to Dr Harvey Risch MD, PhD, currently Professor of Epidemiology in the Department of Epidemiology and Public Health at Yale school of Medicine. The author of more than 300 original peer reviewed research publications.

More than 1.6 million Americans have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 and >10 times that number carry antibodies to it. High-risk patients presenting with progressing symptomatic disease have only hospitalization treatment with its high mortality. An outpatient treatment that prevents hospitalization is desperately needed. Two candidate medications have been widely discussed: remdesivir, and hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin. Remdesivir has shown mild effectiveness in hospitalized inpatients, but no trials have been registered in outpatients. Hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin has been widely misrepresented in both clinical reports and public media, and outpatient trials results are not expected until September. Early outpatient illness is very different than later hospitalized florid disease and the treatments differ. Evidence about use of hydroxychloroquine alone, or of hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin in inpatients, is irrelevant concerning efficacy of the pair in early high-risk outpatient disease. Five studies, including two controlled clinical trials, have demonstrated significant major outpatient treatment efficacy. Hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin has been used as standard-of-care in more than 300,000 older adults with multicomorbidities, with estimated proportion diagnosed with cardiac arrhythmias attributable to the medications 47/100,000 users, of which estimated mortality is <20%, 9/100,000 users, compared to the 10,000 Americans now dying each week. These medications need to be widely available and promoted immediately for physicians to prescribe.

https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa093/5847586?searchresult=1

[Steve]

I'm talking about Trumps's constant undermining of the severity of the virus, size of the crisis, the lockdown measures and facemask wearing.  And the damage was done in March through May before those protests

And just look where the new case problems are now.  New York sorted its issues by defying Trump



https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[Grumpmeister]

I'm talking about Trumps's constant undermining of the severity of the virus, size of the crisis, the lockdown measures and facemask wearing.  And the damage was done in March through May before those protests

And just look where the new case problems are now.  New York sorted its issues by defying Trump



https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

So the mass exodus from the city by anyone who could afford to leave had no effect on the figures? We know you are a rabid anti Trumper and I can see his faults but I can also see just how difficult it is to get things done when the house majority and a large part of the senate are 'Orange Man Bad' and care about nothing but getting him out of office whatever it takes, something that you seem to have constantly ignored. Don't forget that at the start of the whole crisis he was dealing with an impeachment attempt that was at best ill advised and at worst a misuse of authority. And if you think they are any different now then have a look the debacle with Bill Barr earlier this week, if I had any doubts about the childish fanaticism of the democrats that disgusting display more than proved them false.

As for underestimating the severity of the virus goes would you rather he stood up in front of everyone and said the end is nigh? As for facemask wearing that was down to Fauci remember, he was the one who wanted to make sure that there was enough to supply the hospitals and that was what caused the confusion.

I did notice that you haven't disputed what I said about the democrats supporting the riots though.

[Steve]

I didn't comment on your false statement about 'the overwhelming Democrat support for the thousands who have been out at the BLM riots/protests/looting burning and pillaging bonanza'
 

[Grumpmeister]

So there has been no Democrat support? There have been no democrats that have been calling the rioters peaceful protesters? Try watching the Bill Barr hearing and seeing a disgusting attempt to railroad him and stop him from answering questions properly including an attempt to accuse both him and Trump of murder, the mayor of Seattle and her summer of love (which lasted as long as it took for them to start causing trouble in front of her house and then the CHOP was dismantled, I guess that was a pure coincidence), the mayor of Portland who joined the rioters but left before things got out of hand (he's also the police commissioner by the way and after he left called it a riot), the Governor of Portland misrepresenting the facts about why the federal agents were at the courthouse, Pelosi lying about why federal personnel have been moved into states, Nadler's claims that Antifa don't exist, there were no riots and the whole thing is just an attempt to scam votes by Trump, at AOC wading in to attack the government with her own brand of ignorance. Lightfoot telling her own aldermen that they are full of shit when they made their fears about the rioting in Chicago known and still kept refusing federal aid to stop the violence as long as she could get away with. The lack of Democrats condemning the violence and looting. Then look at the reports and interviews with business owners who have had their businesses destroyed. 

You are right, it was a false comment.

[Barman]

I didn't comment on your false statement about 'the overwhelming Democrat support for the thousands who have been out at the BLM riots/protests/looting burning and pillaging bonanza'

Errrr.... they have tho....