Understanding, my arse!!!!

[Grumpmeister]

You are in an incestuous relationship and HAVE A CHILD AS A RESULT!!!! Just how stupid can you be, don't you know the dangers if inbreeding for Chrissake. Not to mention the fact that this is YOUR DAUGHTHER YOU SICK B'STARD!!!. It doesnt matter a damn that you are both consenting adults now. You may be asking for understanding but as far as I'm concerned you've shown nothing that would be deserving of any. 

An Australian man and his daughter have asked for understanding after revealing on national TV they have an incestuous relationship, and have a daughter.

John Deaves, 61, appeared on the TV show 60 Minutes with daughter Jenny, 39, and nine-month-old Celeste - to whom he is both father and grandfather.

Last month a judge banned them from having sex with each other and revealed they had a child in 2001 who died.

But they insisted on the programme that they were "normal intellectual adults".

Mr Deaves said they both "had careers, had a normal life like everybody else".

He added: "But [we have] fallen in love with each other when we are biologically related, when we've discovered each other later in life."

Mr Deaves had left the family home when his daughter Jenny was a baby, and did not see her again for 30 years.

When the couple met, in 2000, they began a sexual relationship.

Ms Deaves told 60 Minutes she began to see John as a man first and a father second.

"I was looking at him, sort of going, oh, he's not too bad. Like you might look at a man across the bar at a nightclub," she said.

"John and I are in this relationship as consenting adults. We are just asking for a little bit of respect and understanding."

The couple each pleaded guilty to two charges of incest last month and were banned from having sex with each other.

According to the judge's ruling in the case, the couple had a child in 2001 who died from congenital heart disease shortly after birth.

[GROWLER]

The couple each pleaded guilty to two charges of incest last month and were banned from having sex with each other.


...and HOW pray, is that supposed to be enforced ey?

I bet they slipped into the court bogs on the way out for a quickie, just to spite the judge, pair of disgusting cretins.

[Darwins Selection]

The couple each pleaded guilty to two charges of incest last month and were banned from having sex with each other.

If they are down to the 'twice a month' stage of the relationship then they won't be doing it at all very shortly anyway.

[GROWLER]

The couple each pleaded guilty to two charges of incest last month and were banned from having sex with each other.

If they are down to the 'twice a month' stage of the relationship then they won't be doing it at all very shortly anyway.

I'd LMCO..... if I knew where it was.

[Bar Wench]

Just to raise what I thought was an interesting point. What if they weren't breeding? In that case is incest really anything more than a repugnance born out of a societal rule?

[Snoopy]

Just to raise what I thought was an interesting point. What if they weren't breeding? In that case is incest really anything more than a repugnance born out of a societal rule?

   Careful Wenchy ~ your education is showing.

[Darwins Selection]

Just to raise what I thought was an interesting point. What if they weren't breeding? In that case is incest really anything more than a repugnance born out of a societal rule?

Probably not.

You might like to consider in your next essay, whether the societal rule was developed from a knowlegeable desire to avoid the genetic pitfalls of inbreeding, or sociological pressure from adult females to discourage the males from pursuing their more attractive daughters.

[Bar Wench]

Interesting. 

I was arguing with my brother about it. Not that I don't find it icky because I do but from an unemotional stand point I found it interesting. If you remove the possibility of genetic mutation and the parental relationship wasn't fostered early on in life then really what is wrong with it? They are two consenting adults. It wasn't that long ago that society found interracial or same sex relationships taboo. Is incest one of the last true sexual societal evils?

[Snoopy]

Interesting. 

I was arguing with my brother about it. Not that I don't find it icky because I do but from an unemotional stand point I found it interesting. If you remove the possibility of genetic mutation and the parental relationship wasn't fostered early on in life then really what is wrong with it? They are two consenting adults. It wasn't that long ago that society found interracial or same sex relationships taboo. Is incest one of the last true sexual societal evils?

And tell me was this an attempt on your part to put your brother off his original question?

[Bar Wench]

Interesting. 

I was arguing with my brother about it. Not that I don't find it icky because I do but from an unemotional stand point I found it interesting. If you remove the possibility of genetic mutation and the parental relationship wasn't fostered early on in life then really what is wrong with it? They are two consenting adults. It wasn't that long ago that society found interracial or same sex relationships taboo. Is incest one of the last true sexual societal evils?

And tell me was this an attempt on your part to put your brother off his original question?

 

[Snoopy]

Interesting. 

I was arguing with my brother about it. Not that I don't find it icky because I do but from an unemotional stand point I found it interesting. If you remove the possibility of genetic mutation and the parental relationship wasn't fostered early on in life then really what is wrong with it? They are two consenting adults. It wasn't that long ago that society found interracial or same sex relationships taboo. Is incest one of the last true sexual societal evils?

And tell me was this an attempt on your part to put your brother off his original question?

 

I take it that is a yes then.

[Bar Wench]

And here was me trying to have an intelligent conversation. 

[Snoopy]

Me too.

Yes the idea is repugnant but why?

Is your revulsion at the thought of sex with your brother based on your knowledge of him throughout your life or can you honestly say you would not find him an attractive person if you had never met before.

And as for my other question ~ it was based on the time honoured practice amongst small children of "If I show you mine will you show me yours?" nothing more. I played that game when I was 5 with a female cousin as I had no sister but I have known many who will admit that their curiosity was first roused by their siblings and the differences between them.

As for the OP, concerning as it does, a sexual relationship twixt Father and Daughter with apparent consent on both sides ~ that is another matter all together. The breach of trust on the part of the father is, to my mind, the greater concern. One protects one's children .... one does not violate them but cousins or even siblings? That is a different argument.

[Darwins Selection]

And here was me trying to have an intelligent conversation. 

I am doing my best.

Me too.

Yes the idea is repugnant but why?

Is your revulsion at the thought of sex with your brother based on your knowledge of him throughout your life or can you honestly say you would not find him an attractive person if you had never met before.

And as for my other question ~ it was based on the time honoured practice amongst small children of "If I show you mine will you show me yours?" nothing more. I played that game when I was 5 with a female cousin as I had no sister but I have known many who will admit that their curiosity was first roused by their siblings and the differences between them.

As for the OP, concerning as it does, a sexual relationship twixt Father and Daughter with apparent consent on both sides ~ that is another matter all together. The breach of trust on the part of the father is, to my mind, the greater concern. One protects one's children .... one does not violate them but cousins or even siblings? That is a different argument.

[serious] The question of separation during infancy and meeting as adults I would have thought applied equally to sibling or parent-child relationships.

Wenchy's point is valid in that two people meeting for the first time as adults are no less likely to form a relationship because they have a genetic bond which is too close than any other reason.

In many ways, genetic similarities may give them common interests and traits which will foster a bond. [/serious]

[Nick]

I am reminded of the recent case in which twins, separated and adopted at birth, later met and married.

In that case the argument was that their shared genes predisposed them to be attracted to each other. Presumably, had they grown up together, the normal" taboos would have been operative.

The Boy has a younger sister ( ) he has never met and  is presently unaware of. She is, I gather, much like him in temperament ( ).

One to watch