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Re: Hiding pictures
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2008, 10:41:52 AM »
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Re: Hiding pictures
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2008, 10:45:16 AM »
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Re: Hiding pictures
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2008, 10:46:21 AM »
He mentioned Star Trek, not me.It was a serious thread, like, till then
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Re: Hiding pictures
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2008, 10:46:42 AM »
All it takes is the effects of the anaesthetic, or pain relief medication to loosen your grasp on reality

Trust me lad, it takes a lot less than that.
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Re: Hiding pictures
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2008, 11:04:17 AM »
It still is a seriuos thread. I was using the Star Trek example as a thought experiment.

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Re: Hiding pictures
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2008, 11:18:06 AM »
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Re: Hiding pictures
« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2008, 01:17:52 PM »
It still is a seriuos thread. I was using the Star Trek example as a thought experiment.

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Strangely, I sensed you were doing that.  scared2:
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Re: Hiding pictures
« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2008, 01:37:59 PM »
Anyway, If you're unconscious, be it asleep, knocked out or under anaesthetic are you said to exist? If not then you're technically dead even though your body still functions.

So, the Uncle Mort who went under knife ceased to exist when his conscious stopped and a new Uncle Mort came into existence when the anaesthetic wore off but with the memories of the old Uncle Mort.   

Is that right?

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Re: Hiding pictures
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2008, 02:43:24 PM »
The closest I have come to death was on a street in Paris where I suffered a Cardiac Arrest. Paramedics used a defibrillator 5 times to bring me back. Was I dead? ~ They say not because there was no brain death (although there are those who would disagree about my brain).
I remember feeling faint and then an intense pain in my shin as I fell onto a traditional Parisienne boot scraper in someone's doorway. After that a soft and very pleasant sleep until I came round (About ten or firteen minutes had passed) and I thought that I was being smothered. I fought to push off the oxygen mask and the paramedic holding it.
There were no choirs of angels, no bright lights at the end of a tunnel, nothing except an all enveloping blackness.

According to the French Doctors at the hospital I ended up in the administration of oxygen within three minutes had saved my brain but to all intents and purposes I had died.

The paramedics tried heart massage first and broke two ribs in the process.

This all happened, as I am sure I have told you before, a few weeks after an bypass op so the heart massage also split the wound down my chest that was still healing causing some bleeding and the Defib shocks boiled the spilled blood causing some painful scarring as well.

My hope is that death, when it comes, will be as painless as the last time ~ it was being saved that hurt.

Now, of course, I have an implanted defib and that has "saved" me three times in ten years when my heart has stopped. Not everyone can have one of these but the more defibs there are around and the more people who know how to use them the less people would die from Cardiac Arrest. Treatment in those first few minutes are vital. Without the French Firebrigade Paramedics I would not be here to bore you all with my tale.

The ribs and the shin took longer to mend than the heart.

Don't know if this adds to the debate or not but that is my experience of "near death"
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Re: Hiding pictures
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2008, 04:19:36 PM »
Ok, try this one. A couple of nights before my Mum died, just after Christmas, she was slipping in and out of consciousness. She awoke with a start and told us that her oldest friend had died. My sister and I told her no, you were dreaming, look she's sent you a Christmas card (which indeed she had). Anyway, come the day she died I was trying to make arrangements and received a call from an old friend to say that his Mum had died, my Mum's oldest friend.

She'd died the night that Mum had told us she had... a shiver down the spine, all around. We just don't know  shrugs:
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Re: Hiding pictures
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2008, 05:36:46 PM »
Anyway, If you're unconscious, be it asleep, knocked out or under anaesthetic are you said to exist? If not then you're technically dead even though your body still functions.

Yes you do still exist, even if you are not consciously aware and able to interect with your surroundings your mind is still active. You only truely cease to exist when you are brain dead (having said that whenever I look at the cabinet I wonder if that definition needs to be updated).
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Re: Hiding pictures
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2008, 03:56:06 AM »
I suppose officially you are still alive 'til they stop taxing you...?  rubschin:
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Re: Hiding pictures
« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2008, 09:39:18 AM »
I am not responsible for your technical problems

Well that's a line I never throught I'd hear from Nick.  point:
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Re: Hiding pictures
« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2008, 09:39:38 AM »
Ever heard of Inheritance Tax BM? There'll be a coffin tax soon
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Re: Hiding pictures
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2008, 03:12:53 PM »
Being alive is one thing ......feeling alive is completely another   cry:
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