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Re: Fantastic Headlines
« Reply #12150 on: June 17, 2020, 05:28:55 PM »
Idiot tries to rob a store at gunpoint and is shot by a member of staff. Call me an unfeeling bastard if you want but the phrase 'live by the sword, die by the sword' seems appropriate.  noooo:

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/armed-robber-shot-and-killed-family-blames-the-clerk-saying-he-shouldnt-have-had-a-weapon-at-work/

Justice done!  Thumbs:

 Thumbs: Thumbs:  It does amaze me ..that criminals think like this ..When I was "associated" ..Everyone knew the risks etc ..Most had a "fund" for lawyer etc and most money for wives/partners set aside etc ...

The old saying .."Don't do the crime ..if you can't do the time " ...springs to mind ...

Yes but back in those far yonder days there was a robust justice system that was geared more to the victim than the criminal.  noooo:
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« Reply #12151 on: June 17, 2020, 05:34:47 PM »
So in order to help save the planet you are saying that we should not use general anaesthetic for operations and concentrate on local pain relief instead? Well call me a picky bastard but FUCK NO!!! It's been over 20 years and I still vividly remember the smells and sounds of the post mortem I was able to sit in on as a student nurse. There is no way in hell I'd want to be conscious to experience something like that again especially combined with the knowledge that it's coming from me being sliced open.  eeek: eeek:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8427763/General-anaesthetics-fuel-climate-change-scientists-warn.html
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« Reply #12152 on: June 17, 2020, 06:08:44 PM »
Idiot tries to rob a store at gunpoint and is shot by a member of staff. Call me an unfeeling bastard if you want but the phrase 'live by the sword, die by the sword' seems appropriate.  noooo:

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/armed-robber-shot-and-killed-family-blames-the-clerk-saying-he-shouldnt-have-had-a-weapon-at-work/

Justice done!  Thumbs:

 Thumbs: Thumbs:  It does amaze me ..that criminals think like this ..When I was "associated" ..Everyone knew the risks etc ..Most had a "fund" for lawyer etc and most money for wives/partners set aside etc ...

The old saying .."Don't do the crime ..if you can't do the time " ...springs to mind ...

Yes but back in those far yonder days there was a robust justice system that was geared more to the victim than the criminal.  noooo:

Yep ..and generally people who broke the law expected to go to jail ..if caught ..it was not rocket science ..

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« Reply #12153 on: June 18, 2020, 04:52:29 AM »
Puts a rather different slant on the Rayshard Brooks shooting. While still tragic he chose to drink and drive having already violated his probation once despite knowing it would most likely lead to him being sent back to prison if he was caught and then chose to fight the officers and steal a taser, firing it at the officers when he failed the breathalyser. This wasn't another George Floyd situation, could things have been handled better? Certainly but if you are going to assign blame then it has to go on both sides not just the officers.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8431801/Rayshard-Brooks-probation-faced-going-prison-charged-DUI.html
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« Reply #12154 on: June 18, 2020, 06:46:15 AM »
The lock keeper at the next lock to me yesterday was formerly a police firearms officer. He did close protection at events like G7 summits. Says Obama was a nice guy and Putin was dodgy. Hated Theresa May.

In 25 years of carrying Glocks and the like he never had occasion to fire his weapon.

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« Reply #12155 on: June 18, 2020, 07:39:40 AM »
I'm not defending the officers, their judgement was clearly flawed when they chose to open fire as having been discharged the taser would only have been usable as a contact weapon so they could have just as easily closed in and used pepper spray to restrain him. But when you look at how incidents like this are being covered in the media it seems like there is a narrative in place to say that in America cops are racist. Yes, what happened to both Brooks and George Floyd was tragic, but so was what happened to Tony Tempa who died after being cuffed and pinned on the ground by Dallas police officers for almost 14 minutes, or Justine Damond who was shot and killed by a Minneapolis police officer who already had 3 formal complaints against him as well as being sued by a woman he allegedly assaulted whilst on duty.

There are over 300,000 police officers across America (or there were, if the current reports about officers resigning or taking early retirement are even half accurate then that number is going to be drastically reduced) and they have somewhere between 3 and 5 million interactions with the general public each year. With that many interactions, if there as institutional racism with in the force then wouldn't if follow that there would be far more cases like Brooks and Floyd appearing in the media.

There has always been a bias in the media with certain outlets being either on the left or right of the spectrum but it's become far more overt and toxic over the last few years and that is going a long way to fuelling the feelings of discontent that lead to the riots and protests we have seen once something occurs that has lit the blue touch paper. Even over here if you look at the news concerning the protests they tend to gloss over the fact that around 40 officers have been injured, some severely, during the BLM protests but seem to have no problem in going straight to right wing yobs causing damage and injuring people. I have no doubts that there have been right wing knuckle draggers doing just that but until there is an acceptance that this has happened on both sides and responsibility is taken I can't see this improving any.

Personally as far as the police themselves are concerned I think a large part of the problem is down to training and having a single large national academy that is regularly assessed and audited could go a long way towards fixing that issue.
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« Reply #12156 on: June 18, 2020, 11:26:05 AM »
You say you're not defending the officers and then spend several paragraphs doing just that
 
I don't think he was shot because he was black, he was shot because the officer lost his rag. And that plus shooting him in the back and not seeking medical help while he was bleeding out makes it murder 1
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« Reply #12157 on: June 18, 2020, 12:23:16 PM »
How am I defending those officers by questioning the overall narrative that seems to be prevalent stating that there is rampant institutional racism throughout the entire American police force having already said that that their judgement was clearly flawed. 2 officers does not an entire police force make.




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« Reply #12158 on: June 18, 2020, 12:34:43 PM »
I believe US cops killed over 1300 people last year. I think the figure here was 3.
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« Reply #12159 on: June 18, 2020, 01:14:06 PM »
And the number of trained armed response officers we have is a fraction of the total number of police officers in America, all of whom are armed. I'd also say our are trained to a higher standard and only deployed in specific circumstances. Also bear in mind like I said before 1300 shooting out of ok split the difference and say 4,000,000 interactions means that less than a third of 1% of interactions between US police and the public end in a fatal shooting. A number be further reduced by improvements and standardisation in procedures and training
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« Reply #12160 on: June 18, 2020, 01:20:46 PM »
I believe US cops killed over 1300 people last year. I think the figure here was 3.
US Cops killed 3 people over here?  FFS they really need to be told
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« Reply #12161 on: June 18, 2020, 02:52:59 PM »
Something I've just realised about the whole thing, the murder charge is bullshit. The DA has charged the officer with Felony murder, but that is where the suspect has killed someone in the process of carrying out another crime it does not cover what happened here. Looking at what is going on elsewhere in the country with Raz the self proclaimed warlord of the 'Chop' shown on video handing out AR15's to people who you can tell have had no training and barely know which end of the rifle the bullets come out and the Puget Sound branch of the John Brown Gun Club providing 'security' (the group that Willem van Spronsen was a member of) I have a bad feeling about what may be coming.
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« Reply #12162 on: June 19, 2020, 03:26:01 PM »
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« Reply #12163 on: June 19, 2020, 03:32:00 PM »
Why do I have an image of a battalion of Indian soldiers standing at the border all singing "Winnie The Pooh, Winnie The Pooh. Chubby little cubby all stuffed with fluff"  redface:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8439181/Furious-Indians-use-censored-Winnie-Pooh-taunt-Xi-Jinping-border-brawl.html
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« Reply #12164 on: June 19, 2020, 03:46:39 PM »
Why do I have an image of a battalion of Indian soldiers standing at the border all singing "Winnie The Pooh, Winnie The Pooh. Chubby little cubby all stuffed with fluff"  redface:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8439181/Furious-Indians-use-censored-Winnie-Pooh-taunt-Xi-Jinping-border-brawl.html
lol: lol: lol:

Unfortunately for Xi once you have that image in your head it can't be unseen.  Xi the Pooh he is
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