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Re: Fantastic Headlines
« Reply #11160 on: October 21, 2019, 11:22:14 AM »
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Re: Fantastic Headlines
« Reply #11161 on: October 21, 2019, 11:30:28 AM »
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« Reply #11162 on: October 21, 2019, 11:41:39 AM »
Am I missing something here? A new law in California limits freelance journalists to writing 35 articles a year. I know a couple of freelancers and given the articles are paid by the word they write more pieces than that a month just to pay the bills. All I can see happening from this is an exodus of freelancers.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/everybody-is-freaking-freelance-writers-scramble-make-sense-new-california-law-1248195

California eh...? Bizarre...  noooo:
really?

AB5 is basically just a law (and wider than journalism) that stops employers misclassifying employees as self employed (so they can dodge their obligations)

More about it here:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Assembly_Bill_5_(2019)

I suspect that there are going to be more problems with the law and the damage to the freelance journalism industry is only the first one to be realised. Anyone with even half a brain would be able to see that limiting the number of articles a freelancer is allowed to write is going to catastrophically impact their income so I can't imagine it is going to be the only way they have buggered it up.
if you're writing more than 35 articles for one publication you're not really a freelancer, you're an employee colluding with the employer to gain an unfair advantage over publications and writers that do it honestly

Did I mention that faux self employed fiddles make my blood boil?  No one ever let me claim my cost of getting to work off my tax, no one ever let me pay a reduced stamp and still claim NHS care and a state pension, no one ever let me claim cost of my clothes as tax deductible expenses etc etc

When I had my business in UK claimed 3rd bedroom as office ....... redface:
But that can be OK

A base issue is that developed nation governments just love making vote winning social promises and then burdening honest employers with the cost and effort of implementing them.  Gives a huge incentive for dishonest employers to pressure or connive with what really are employees to lie that they're not.  Result:  legislation like California's AB5 to balance the playing field a bit

The problem with the AB5 approach to freelance journalists makes no sense. All that is going to happen is that the news companies based in California will employ freelancers from out of the state which bypasses the law. There have already been over 7000 job losses in the American news media industry so far this year, how does that help those living in California because it's not going to force the companies to employ them full time.

Precisely!  :thumbsup:

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Re: Fantastic Headlines
« Reply #11163 on: October 21, 2019, 12:02:46 PM »
Am I missing something here? A new law in California limits freelance journalists to writing 35 articles a year. I know a couple of freelancers and given the articles are paid by the word they write more pieces than that a month just to pay the bills. All I can see happening from this is an exodus of freelancers.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/everybody-is-freaking-freelance-writers-scramble-make-sense-new-california-law-1248195

California eh...? Bizarre...  noooo:
really?

AB5 is basically just a law (and wider than journalism) that stops employers misclassifying employees as self employed (so they can dodge their obligations)

More about it here:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Assembly_Bill_5_(2019)

I suspect that there are going to be more problems with the law and the damage to the freelance journalism industry is only the first one to be realised. Anyone with even half a brain would be able to see that limiting the number of articles a freelancer is allowed to write is going to catastrophically impact their income so I can't imagine it is going to be the only way they have buggered it up.
if you're writing more than 35 articles for one publication you're not really a freelancer, you're an employee colluding with the employer to gain an unfair advantage over publications and writers that do it honestly

Did I mention that faux self employed fiddles make my blood boil?  No one ever let me claim my cost of getting to work off my tax, no one ever let me pay a reduced stamp and still claim NHS care and a state pension, no one ever let me claim cost of my clothes as tax deductible expenses etc etc

When I had my business in UK claimed 3rd bedroom as office ....... redface:
But that can be OK

A base issue is that developed nation governments just love making vote winning social promises and then burdening honest employers with the cost and effort of implementing them.  Gives a huge incentive for dishonest employers to pressure or connive with what really are employees to lie that they're not.  Result:  legislation like California's AB5 to balance the playing field a bit

The problem with the AB5 approach to freelance journalists makes no sense. All that is going to happen is that the news companies based in California will employ freelancers from out of the state which bypasses the law. There have already been over 7000 job losses in the American news media industry so far this year, how does that help those living in California because it's not going to force the companies to employ them full time.

Precisely!  :thumbsup:

The answer to problems caused by government intervention is clearly not more government intervention... ::)

Government intervention can help but the problem we have at the moment both here and in America is that we have a crop of politicians who have come up from a political environment with no skills or experience relevant to the real world. Because of that they are completely removed from the issues and end up with 'advisors', AB5 is a case in point. Looking at the way it has been set up at least for freelance journalists I'd suspect that the unions had a hand in putting the bill together as freelancers are less likely to join.
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Re: Fantastic Headlines
« Reply #11164 on: October 21, 2019, 01:31:41 PM »
Am I missing something here? A new law in California limits freelance journalists to writing 35 articles a year. I know a couple of freelancers and given the articles are paid by the word they write more pieces than that a month just to pay the bills. All I can see happening from this is an exodus of freelancers.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/everybody-is-freaking-freelance-writers-scramble-make-sense-new-california-law-1248195

California eh...? Bizarre...  noooo:
really?

AB5 is basically just a law (and wider than journalism) that stops employers misclassifying employees as self employed (so they can dodge their obligations)

More about it here:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Assembly_Bill_5_(2019)

I suspect that there are going to be more problems with the law and the damage to the freelance journalism industry is only the first one to be realised. Anyone with even half a brain would be able to see that limiting the number of articles a freelancer is allowed to write is going to catastrophically impact their income so I can't imagine it is going to be the only way they have buggered it up.
if you're writing more than 35 articles for one publication you're not really a freelancer, you're an employee colluding with the employer to gain an unfair advantage over publications and writers that do it honestly

Did I mention that faux self employed fiddles make my blood boil?  No one ever let me claim my cost of getting to work off my tax, no one ever let me pay a reduced stamp and still claim NHS care and a state pension, no one ever let me claim cost of my clothes as tax deductible expenses etc etc

When I had my business in UK claimed 3rd bedroom as office ....... redface:
But that can be OK

A base issue is that developed nation governments just love making vote winning social promises and then burdening honest employers with the cost and effort of implementing them.  Gives a huge incentive for dishonest employers to pressure or connive with what really are employees to lie that they're not.  Result:  legislation like California's AB5 to balance the playing field a bit

The problem with the AB5 approach to freelance journalists makes no sense. All that is going to happen is that the news companies based in California will employ freelancers from out of the state which bypasses the law. There have already been over 7000 job losses in the American news media industry so far this year, how does that help those living in California because it's not going to force the companies to employ them full time.
Doesn't work as I read it.  There's no geographical limitation.  If a publication uses the same supposed freelancer in say New York 36 times then it is the publication that has to treat them as an employee

And the law isn't really a change, it just codifies an existing court decision

The real solution is to make governments find the cost of their social promises through taxes they have to defend at the ballot box and not this idiot burdening of the good employers for daring to give people jobs
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Re: Fantastic Headlines
« Reply #11165 on: October 21, 2019, 01:33:35 PM »
The equivalent here is called IR35 and was the bane of my life until my accountant (and many others) found ways round it  whistle:
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« Reply #11167 on: October 23, 2019, 05:16:55 AM »
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Re: Fantastic Headlines
« Reply #11171 on: October 23, 2019, 06:06:32 AM »
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« Reply #11172 on: October 23, 2019, 06:19:10 AM »
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You started it with the gatepost comment  angel1
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Re: Fantastic Headlines
« Reply #11173 on: October 23, 2019, 10:44:26 AM »
https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-teach-rats-to-drive-tiny-cars-and-it-s-just-as-cute-as-it-sounds

I bet they can avoid gates too  whistle:
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 rubschin: surely rats have been driving cars for years, just look at the Audis on the M25
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