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Re: TMR's all new "Tales from the Underworld" thread
« Reply #2640 on: August 03, 2022, 04:58:36 AM »
We need extra capacity. Due to the economic uncertainty the big O has taken a justifiable decision to lease in extra temporary capacity in the form of wet-lease, or ACMI (Aircaft, Crew, Maintenance & Insurance) outfits, rather than taking all the new aircraft they've ordered and all the attendant crew. Demand may well fall off a cliff when the full impact of inflation/fuel price rices hits hard, cheaper to offload the ACMI company.

First, we had SmartLynx who supply, basically 78.5 tonne paperweights - if one of their aircraft actually manages to complete a full days schedule, it is a miracle. These frames have passed through multiple hands and are basically hounds - they won't fall out of the sky - but that is because they don't get off the ground. And the interiors are utterly yukky, more chewing gum than carpet. The remote stands in Gatwick are littered with these white knackers awaiting tech fixes.

Now we have a new additional supplier - Avion Express - and so far they've been pretty good. Despite the purple carpet and sidewalls (ex Wizz Air birds) Nick would probably like them  lol:

The next month promises to be utterly shite, but the double pay + bonus for overtime remains and staffing levels are gradually getting up to where they should have been 2 months ago, so a sliver of light emerges.

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Re: TMR's all new "Tales from the Underworld" thread
« Reply #2641 on: August 03, 2022, 05:00:26 AM »
We need extra capacity. Due to the economic uncertainty the big O has taken a justifiable decision to lease in extra temporary capacity in the form of wet-lease, or ACMI (Aircaft, Crew, Maintenance & Insurance) outfits, rather than taking all the new aircraft they've ordered and all the attendant crew. Demand may well fall off a cliff when the full impact of inflation/fuel price rices hits hard, cheaper to offload the ACMI company.

First, we had SmartLynx who supply, basically 78.5 tonne paperweights - if one of their aircraft actually manages to complete a full days schedule, it is a miracle. These frames have passed through multiple hands and are basically hounds - they won't fall out of the sky - but that is because they don't get off the ground. And the interiors are utterly yukky, more chewing gum than carpet. The remote stands in Gatwick are littered with these white knackers awaiting tech fixes.

Now we have a new additional supplier - Avion Express - and so far they've been pretty good. Despite the purple carpet and sidewalls (ex Wizz Air birds) Nick would probably like them  lol:

The next month promises to be utterly shite, but the double pay + bonus for overtime remains and staffing levels are gradually getting up to where they should have been 2 months ago, so a sliver of light emerges.

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« Reply #2642 on: August 03, 2022, 05:12:20 AM »
OIC.

On the face of it, yes, but none of the newbies are qualified to drive airside yet, so they have limited use. Drivers is what we need, but the training backlog is huge.

The double time + bonus, personally, is a huge thing - 2 days overtime a month more than trebles my expendable cash. A good thing. I have done 1 day overtime in July. I might do 2 in August. Any more and the tax man gets veeeerrry hungry.

Problem is, I'm knaclered. Permanently. Old age....

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« Reply #2643 on: August 03, 2022, 05:20:41 AM »
OIC.

On the face of it, yes, but none of the newbies are qualified to drive airside yet, so they have limited use. Drivers is what we need, but the training backlog is huge.

The double time + bonus, personally, is a huge thing - 2 days overtime a month more than trebles my expendable cash. A good thing. I have done 1 day overtime in July. I might do 2 in August. Any more and the tax man gets veeeerrry hungry.

Problem is, I'm knaclered. Permanently. Old age....

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Re: TMR's all new "Tales from the Underworld" thread
« Reply #2644 on: August 05, 2022, 05:49:38 PM »
Stupid BBC
 
They just did an item on South East today about the first commercial flights Gatwick to Boston being launched today (by Jet Blue)
 
So I must have imagined all those god awful North West Orient DC10 flights to Boston from Gatwick in the 80s and 90s then  ::)   And I bet others have been doing it since.
Well, whatever, nevermind

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« Reply #2645 on: August 06, 2022, 06:05:10 AM »
Stupid BBC
 
They just did an item on South East today about the first commercial flights Gatwick to Boston being launched today (by Jet Blue)
 
So I must have imagined all those god awful North West Orient DC10 flights to Boston from Gatwick in the 80s and 90s then  ::)   And I bet others have been doing it since.

Possibly the first using a narrowbody? (A321-271NX)

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« Reply #2646 on: August 06, 2022, 07:24:55 AM »
Stupid BBC
 
They just did an item on South East today about the first commercial flights Gatwick to Boston being launched today (by Jet Blue)
 
So I must have imagined all those god awful North West Orient DC10 flights to Boston from Gatwick in the 80s and 90s then  ::)   And I bet others have been doing it since.

Possibly the first using a narrowbody? (A321-271NX)
Could be
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Re: TMR's all new "Tales from the Underworld" thread
« Reply #2647 on: September 04, 2022, 06:50:51 AM »
I have to do a briefing just before my baggage boys start their morning shifts - these vary in time between 0300 and 0500. Usually it's just a heads-up on the number of bags we are expecting, anything weather related they need to know about, overtime incentives and other such stuff. Then I invite questions - again the usual questions are asked.

This morning, though, I was asked what we are going to get as a pay rise this year - negotiations start in October - and I said I simply didn't know. And I don't. We had a 10% rise in March. I told them that I though it unlikely the union would start at anything less then 20%, but this was fanciful.

Cue the onlsaught - "my petrol/diesel/gas/electric is so much now we need at least that..."  And they do. So do I. There aren't too many people in the country that don't.

I reminded them all, that 30 months ago, during similar briefings, I told them that any lockdown/furlough they thought would be a jolly wheeze would ultimately come back and kick their arses and that they would whinge like babies when it did. One twat blurted about Ukraine - told him to wake the fuck up. This was in the pipeline from the very moment the "3 weeks to flatten the curve" rubbish was first touted. And yet they begged it to continue so they could enjoy a few months at 80% for doing nothing. And then again. And again.

All for something marginally nastier that the yearly flu. You fell for the fake Chinese videos of people dropping dead in China. You made wrong assumptions about the situation in Italy, you took a "vaccine" not for health reasons, but for convenience. To travel. To go to a theatre. You were hood-winked and now you have to pay for it. Admit you were wrong, you were weak and easily led. Start thinking for yourself. Research facts, consider them and make a personal judgement.

And stop whingeing, get working and pay for the damage you brought about yourselves, you feeble sheep.


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« Reply #2648 on: September 04, 2022, 10:18:36 AM »
I have to do a briefing just before my baggage boys start their morning shifts - these vary in time between 0300 and 0500. Usually it's just a heads-up on the number of bags we are expecting, anything weather related they need to know about, overtime incentives and other such stuff. Then I invite questions - again the usual questions are asked.

This morning, though, I was asked what we are going to get as a pay rise this year - negotiations start in October - and I said I simply didn't know. And I don't. We had a 10% rise in March. I told them that I though it unlikely the union would start at anything less then 20%, but this was fanciful.

Cue the onlsaught - "my petrol/diesel/gas/electric is so much now we need at least that..."  And they do. So do I. There aren't too many people in the country that don't.

I reminded them all, that 30 months ago, during similar briefings, I told them that any lockdown/furlough they thought would be a jolly wheeze would ultimately come back and kick their arses and that they would whinge like babies when it did. One twat blurted about Ukraine - told him to wake the fuck up. This was in the pipeline from the very moment the "3 weeks to flatten the curve" rubbish was first touted. And yet they begged it to continue so they could enjoy a few months at 80% for doing nothing. And then again. And again.

All for something marginally nastier that the yearly flu. You fell for the fake Chinese videos of people dropping dead in China. You made wrong assumptions about the situation in Italy, you took a "vaccine" not for health reasons, but for convenience. To travel. To go to a theatre. You were hood-winked and now you have to pay for it. Admit you were wrong, you were weak and easily led. Start thinking for yourself. Research facts, consider them and make a personal judgement.

And stop whingeing, get working and pay for the damage you brought about yourselves, you feeble sheep.

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« Reply #2649 on: September 29, 2022, 08:08:30 AM »
The clusterfuckery continues. In a bid to stave off the horrific level of delays, treble time for overtime has been payable for the past 2 months. Some blokes, doing all the overtime possible have been clearing £9,500 a month  eeek:

This all ends Saturday, back to normal 1.5x overtime rate. No-one is signing up for overtime.

The "summer schedule" doesn't end until 30th October and thus we will be woefully short-staffed and delays will resume with a vengeance.  I give it 2 days before another "incentive" in invoked...

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« Reply #2650 on: September 29, 2022, 02:07:49 PM »
The clusterfuckery continues. In a bid to stave off the horrific level of delays, treble time for overtime has been payable for the past 2 months. Some blokes, doing all the overtime possible have been clearing £9,500 a month  eeek:

This all ends Saturday, back to normal 1.5x overtime rate. No-one is signing up for overtime.

The "summer schedule" doesn't end until 30th October and thus we will be woefully short-staffed and delays will resume with a vengeance.  I give it 2 days before another "incentive" in invoked...

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« Reply #2651 on: September 29, 2022, 04:07:05 PM »
The clusterfuckery continues. In a bid to stave off the horrific level of delays, treble time for overtime has been payable for the past 2 months. Some blokes, doing all the overtime possible have been clearing £9,500 a month  eeek:

This all ends Saturday, back to normal 1.5x overtime rate. No-one is signing up for overtime.

The "summer schedule" doesn't end until 30th October and thus we will be woefully short-staffed and delays will resume with a vengeance.  I give it 2 days before another "incentive" in invoked...

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« Reply #2652 on: October 24, 2022, 07:24:52 AM »
Well then, what a night.

I try not to do much overtime since I'm knackered from the 4 days/nights I do. But they were desperate and a bit of arm-twisting made me agree to 2 extra nights. 1st extra night, no dramas. Last night - due to the weather turned into fucking chaos. 33 last minute cancellations, many with passengers already onboard. And their bags in the hold. Getting the passengers off and de-controlled is easy enough, but getting the bags off once they're loaded is another matter, when the loading/offloading team are busy still trying to sort out the flights that ARE actually going to depart.

Before too long, hundreds of passengers in baggage reclaim and none of their bags being brought back. Front of House staff doing their best to arrange hotel accommodation to those delayed overnight, and most of them fucking off sharpish at 2200 despite being offered x3 pay and £200 to stay longer.

1 particular passenger had left the reclaim area, gone through customs and arrived at Front of House stating she didn't get her bag and had vital medication in it.

I'm trying to sort out what planes are where, what ones aren't coming back tonight and thus which ones need cleaning.

Then comes the phone call...from the big, big boss.  "TMR, no-one available Front of House to take medication needing lady back through security to baggage reclaim to get her bag/medication, can "you" do it." For "you" read "must".

Off I trot, Front of House calm, few passengers about, she sees old shaved headed bloke in hi-viz jacket and runs straight at me. So I checked her boarding pass, confirmed it was the right passenger and said "off we go", easy peasy. Escort back through customs, small walk to the reclaim belt to get her bag, walk her back though the "red" channel.

Turn the corner to witness the seething mass of passengers who have been waiting 4+ hours for their bags. I'm suddendly a human magnet and am swarmed by finger pointing, spitting and agressive passengers. And I don't blame them.

Since I have escorted this lady through, she cannot leave my side as she has been landside and is only allowed airside if escorted. She witnesses the full horror of pissed-iff passengers, but she cannot leave my side. And then the cherry on the top...her bag is STILL on a plane and hasn't been offloaded for 4 hours. I cannot leave her, neither can I take her back landside until she gets her bag/medication.

She's a tiny thing, probably only 18 years old. I make many phone calls, with people shouting in my ear, to the big, big boss telling him to get the fucking Gibraltor bags to reclaim NOW. Only problem is, they don't know where the plane is...it was towed to a remote stand to make way for inbound flights.

After an hour of being abused, spat at, told I am a bald cunt (which is probably true) the girl needing the medication shouted loudly that "I need to get a drink from the vending machine over there". The other shouty passengers heard and I announced that I had to escort her. Half way to the vending machine she told me she only said it to get me away from the baying mob. I could have kissed her.

10 minutes later her bag eventually turned up and I escorted through the "red" channell out of the airport. "Where is Sofitel?", she asked. Perfect opportunity...it's about 300 yards away, but obscured by the car park. Walked her to the hotel, had a couple of cigarettes, went back through security intending to back to the office...

...but then was accosted by a bunch of passengers whose Belfast flight had been cancelled. They had been "de-controlled" though International Arrivals (standard procedure, even for domestic flights) but, for some reason, their bags had been put on the domestic reclaim belts - totally separate area. No way they can retrieve them. Clusterfuck. Being of Belfast heritage I probably had more sympathy, but this was actually something I could do something about. If those bags were there, I could get them and bring them onto the International Arrival belts, so I asked them to give me 10 minutes to walk round and see if they were there - and they were. Only about 50 or so. Went back into the passengers and told them I had found them and to give me 20 minutes or so to get a baggage buggy and carts to move them round to where they could retieve them. Off I trot again, buggy, baggage cart off round to Domestic reclaim and manually move all 47 bags the 100 yards or so on to the baggage cart outside. Knackered. Realise I'm not 44 anymore. Back round to International arrivals, requested belt 3 as there is a door through to the passenger reclaim area so I could call them all over. Parked the buggy and cart, opened the door and called them - they came scampering over. Closed the door, offloaded all 47 bags in 4 minutes and went straight back through the door to apologise for the delay. Every single passenger took time to thank me for helping and I have a whole heap of Guinnness waiting for me in Belfast when I next go. Lovely, patient people.

Went back to the office. Had a coffee. Briefed all the baggage boys and girls, sent all reports including the "Shift handover report" including my free text stating that "TMR was sent, as a sacrificial lamb, to baggage reclaim as the big, big, boss was too scared to face them himself."

I was meant to stay until 0545, I left at 0445, sod the extra money...I met the big, big boss in the smoking area about 0330 and he thanked me but could offer no explanation why he wasn't there. "Busy"  apparently. Poof. And he's huge, makes Schwartzenegger look like Twiggy.

I'm rambling, goodnight. Apparently a company Counsellor is going to ring me today to see if I need need support...





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« Reply #2653 on: October 24, 2022, 07:35:12 AM »
Well then, what a night.

I try not to do much overtime since I'm knackered from the 4 days/nights I do. But they were desperate and a bit of arm-twisting made me agree to 2 extra nights. 1st extra night, no dramas. Last night - due to the weather turned into fucking chaos. 33 last minute cancellations, many with passengers already onboard. And their bags in the hold. Getting the passengers off and de-controlled is easy enough, but getting the bags off once they're loaded is another matter, when the loading/offloading team are busy still trying to sort out the flights that ARE actually going to depart.

Before too long, hundreds of passengers in baggage reclaim and none of their bags being brought back. Front of House staff doing their best to arrange hotel accommodation to those delayed overnight, and most of them fucking off sharpish at 2200 despite being offered x3 pay and £200 to stay longer.

1 particular passenger had left the reclaim area, gone through customs and arrived at Front of House stating she didn't get her bag and had vital medication in it.

I'm trying to sort out what planes are where, what ones aren't coming back tonight and thus which ones need cleaning.

Then comes the phone call...from the big, big boss.  "TMR, no-one available Front of House to take medication needing lady back through security to baggage reclaim to get her bag/medication, can "you" do it." For "you" read "must".

Off I trot, Front of House calm, few passengers about, she sees old shaved headed bloke in hi-viz jacket and runs straight at me. So I checked her boarding pass, confirmed it was the right passenger and said "off we go", easy peasy. Escort back through customs, small walk to the reclaim belt to get her bag, walk her back though the "red" channel.

Turn the corner to witness the seething mass of passengers who have been waiting 4+ hours for their bags. I'm suddendly a human magnet and am swarmed by finger pointing, spitting and agressive passengers. And I don't blame them.

Since I have escorted this lady through, she cannot leave my side as she has been landside and is only allowed airside if escorted. She witnesses the full horror of pissed-iff passengers, but she cannot leave my side. And then the cherry on the top...her bag is STILL on a plane and hasn't been offloaded for 4 hours. I cannot leave her, neither can I take her back landside until she gets her bag/medication.

She's a tiny thing, probably only 18 years old. I make many phone calls, with people shouting in my ear, to the big, big boss telling him to get the fucking Gibraltor bags to reclaim NOW. Only problem is, they don't know where the plane is...it was towed to a remote stand to make way for inbound flights.

After an hour of being abused, spat at, told I am a bald cunt (which is probably true) the girl needing the medication shouted loudly that "I need to get a drink from the vending machine over there". The other shouty passengers heard and I announced that I had to escort her. Half way to the vending machine she told me she only said it to get me away from the baying mob. I could have kissed her.

10 minutes later her bag eventually turned up and I escorted through the "red" channell out of the airport. "Where is Sofitel?", she asked. Perfect opportunity...it's about 300 yards away, but obscured by the car park. Walked her to the hotel, had a couple of cigarettes, went back through security intending to back to the office...

...but then was accosted by a bunch of passengers whose Belfast flight had been cancelled. They had been "de-controlled" though International Arrivals (standard procedure, even for domestic flights) but, for some reason, their bags had been put on the domestic reclaim belts - totally separate area. No way they can retrieve them. Clusterfuck. Being of Belfast heritage I probably had more sympathy, but this was actually something I could do something about. If those bags were there, I could get them and bring them onto the International Arrival belts, so I asked them to give me 10 minutes to walk round and see if they were there - and they were. Only about 50 or so. Went back into the passengers and told them I had found them and to give me 20 minutes or so to get a baggage buggy and carts to move them round to where they could retieve them. Off I trot again, buggy, baggage cart off round to Domestic reclaim and manually move all 47 bags the 100 yards or so on to the baggage cart outside. Knackered. Realise I'm not 44 anymore. Back round to International arrivals, requested belt 3 as there is a door through to the passenger reclaim area so I could call them all over. Parked the buggy and cart, opened the door and called them - they came scampering over. Closed the door, offloaded all 47 bags in 4 minutes and went straight back through the door to apologise for the delay. Every single passenger took time to thank me for helping and I have a whole heap of Guinnness waiting for me in Belfast when I next go. Lovely, patient people.

Went back to the office. Had a coffee. Briefed all the baggage boys and girls, sent all reports including the "Shift handover report" including my free text stating that "TMR was sent, as a sacrificial lamb, to baggage reclaim as the big, big, boss was too scared to face them himself."

I was meant to stay until 0545, I left at 0445, sod the extra money...I met the big, big boss in the smoking area about 0330 and he thanked me but could offer no explanation why he wasn't there. "Busy"  apparently. Poof. And he's huge, makes Schwartzenegger look like Twiggy.

I'm rambling, goodnight. Apparently a company Counsellor is going to ring me today to see if I need need support...


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« Reply #2654 on: October 24, 2022, 07:42:09 AM »
No hero, just an old bloke who does what he can. I would have taken the abuse all night, but not with this poor young girl who had to witness it as she was in my custody. She was actualy a little star who helped other passengers re-book flights on the App on their phones when I was otherwise engaged. But the language she endured was awful, just because she had no choice other than to stick with me.